Paul Walker's daughter files wrongful death lawsuit against Porsche
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The basis for this lawsuit is stupid and a bit uneducated.
Sure, they go fast. And thats why people get a Porsche. Speed is what kills, and when you push a car to limits, and go past the designed speeds of the roads.. well you can get problems like this. What she is doing is reacting to her fathers death in a way that is idiotic and asinine.
It sucks that he died, sure why not. But the problem is not with the car, but with the handling of the vehicle during that stunt.
Someone go sue the tree for a wrongful death.
Someone go sue the department of transportation for wrongful death.
Someone go sue physics for wrongful death.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48788557]humans and motivation can be far more complex than just "She's greedy!!"[/QUOTE]
Humans are [I]also[/I] greedy. American culture in particular breeds some pretty nasty selfishness.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48789308]Personally, the way I see it is very, very similar to someone fooling around with a gun and shooting himself in the head, then having the family filing a lawsuit to Colt "because the gun doesn't have enough safety switches on it".
Sorry, but... no. You fuck around with a gun, you can get seriously injured or *killed*, there's no othe way to put it, and gun manufacturers are not responsible for how people treat their products.[/QUOTE]
There have been cases exactly like you describe, where people get shot by doing stupid things and sue. And they lose.
But there have also been cases where safeties fail, or some other mechanical defect causes a negligent discharge, and someone gets hurt. And the manufacturer's defense is that if you were following the rules of gun safety, the weapon wouldn't be pointed at anyone, so the flawed safety is irrelevant and it's user error, see?
And then the manufacturer loses, because the design is flawed and did not adequately provide a safeguard to the consumer. The manufacturer is held responsible for designing their product to a reasonable standard of safety (as determined by the court), whether it's a gun, a toy, a piece of electronics, or even a car.
Remember the oft-derided example of the woman who sued McDonald's over a coffee spill? McDonald's sold coffee at just under boiling, which was completely unnecessary and presented an unsafe situation for the typical consumer. 'Don't spill it on yourself' was not a sufficient defense when there was nothing stopping McDonald's from serving the coffee at a safer temperature. Spilling coffee is user error, but the company has a safety obligation to minimize the risk posed by user error.
Again, I get where you're coming from. Sometimes courts go too far and set unreasonable expectations on the manufacturer, and sometimes people sue over accidents that were purely their own fault. Personally I think it's unlikely that she'll get anything but legal fees out of it. But all the same, 'user error' is not a magic talisman that absolves a manufacturer of all liability for their product. It'll be up to the court to decide.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;48787288]why don't you assume the obvious, that it's most likely out of grief rather than having this knee-jerk "ugh fucking gold digger BITCH" reaction[/QUOTE]
no
[QUOTE=proch;48788059]It's sad, the girl is obviously having a hard time coping with her fathers loss. Who can blame her?
However the car was brilliant, there's no fault in Porsche at all. The cold truth is that it's his fault.[/QUOTE]
Coping with her fathers loss my arse, some fucking lawyer somewhere will have just put it into her head to try and grab some cash.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48788359]2005 GTO falls into this as well.[/QUOTE]
no it doesnt
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48789081]So when is the lawsuit against the family of the guy who crashed the car going to happen? Pretty sure he was more reaponsible for Walkers death than Porsche was.[/QUOTE]
This is how you know it's about money. They sue the party with the deepest pockets. If they sue the driver's estate, they can at most get whatever he was worth. If they sue Porsche, they can potentially get far more. They can't admit that of course, so they cover it up by saying the car was fundamentally of unsafe design.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48787114]Dumb bitch needs to understand that tires are consumables, not the fault of the company if you don't maintain your car.[/QUOTE]
whoa, its almost as if she's emotional over the death of a loved one
Lol - the car was using 9 year old tires and on top of that, driving at excessive speeds - to top it all off, the Carerra GT has no traction control. It's really not Porsche's fault by any means here - this accident was completely driver error. Roger Rodas is at fault here.
I can still understand she's in pain from the loss of her father, but this does nothing except make her look bad. Even the official police report listed the cause of death as reckless driving.
This also isn't the first time Porsche has been sued over this incident. Kristine Rodas sued them over the exact same reason and that case was also tossed out before it even made it to court.
[url]https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/porsche-blames-paul-walker-crash-on-roger-rodas-213310458.html[/url]
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;48791645]Lol - the car was using 9 year old tires and on top of that, driving at excessive speeds - to top it all off, the Carerra GT has no traction control. It's really not Porsche's fault by any means here - this accident was completely driver error. Roger Rodas is at fault here for attempting to hot rod a car with nearly decade-old tires and no traction control.
I can still understand she's in pain from the loss of her father, but this does nothing except make her look bad. Even the official police report listed the cause of death as reckless driving.[/QUOTE]
thankfully there is no way the court will actually let her successfully sue them. People sue people over the most insane crap.
[QUOTE=J!NX;48791619]whoa, its almost as if she's emotional over the death of a loved one[/QUOTE]
Then she should sue the family of the man who killed her loved one, and not the car company. What reason, other than money, would she sue the car manufacturer over the actual person responsible? Do you [i]really[/i] think it's emotions and not greed?
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48792422]Then she should sue the family of the man who killed her loved one, and not the car company. What reason, other than money, would she sue the car manufacturer over the actual person responsible? Do you [i]really[/i] think it's emotions and not greed?[/QUOTE]
Just sue the tree they hit
or she's trying to cope with her father's death by finding someone to blame, and has genuinely convinced herself that she's acting to stop other people from suffering the same fate
No she's not acting totally rationally, and is blaming the wrong cause for her father's death, but jfc people that doesn't mean she's a "money-grubbing bitch". She's a human being who lost a close family member. Cut her a bit of slack.
[quote]The high-performance 2005 Porsche Carrera GT was going "[B]between 80 and 93 mph at the time the car impacted a power pole and several trees[/B]," the report said. The posted speed limit on the Santa Clarita, California, office park road was [B]45 mph.[/B]
The sheriff's conclusion was no surprise, since the coroner's report previously estimated the car was speeding at 100 mph.
Nothing mechanical went wrong to cause the Porsche to leave the wide road. Investigators found [B]"no pre-existing conditions that would have caused this collision."[/B]
An autopsy revealed "scant soot" in Walker's trachea, suggesting [B]his life ended before the smoke and fire engulfed the car.[/B]
Crash investigators also determined [B]the car's tires were about nine years old[/B] and the vehicle was fitted with an aftermarket exhaust.[/b][/quote]
Can anyone tell me if her lawyers get paid (and roughly how much they could get) when they lose?
My father did a lot of work for child-services and assisting people in legal cases involving family drama, loss, etc.
He once told me something that she should hear as well:
By lashing out, by trying to assign blame to something, or to commit yourself to efforts to "right a wrong", you will only post-pone your mental processes that help process grief.
A part of the grieving process is acceptance. By trying to find something to blame, you lack that acceptance and can never begin to grieve properly.
What happened is extremely said, but this will only cause her more grief in the long run.
Jesus... wtf is wrong with you Facepunch?
The question is if there is a faulty design? There very well could have been. Let's hear the claim before we go calling people a 'bitch' or 'money grabbing'...
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;48793004]Can anyone tell me if her lawyers get paid (and roughly how much they could get) when they lose?[/QUOTE]
She's clearly being played by her family lawyer... I mean, I'm sure she could certainly come up with this idea, but I'm sure a lawyer would certainly try to take it to court, no matter what.
Trying to make a profit off of the death of her dad is sick.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48787434]Technically, she may have a point. Some of the higher performance cars really have no place in traffic.
You can go on about your rights to own the car of your dreams, but you have to admit there is something irrational and even negligent about selling a car to the public that readily exceeds its own handling limitations to the point where a subtle difference in application of throttle or steering can be the difference between maintaining and fully losing control in close proximity to other drivers. Vehicles in which even the most skilled and experienced drivers need to maintain constant vigilance to prevent harming and killing themselves or others don't really have a place on a crowded freeway, under the control of potentially unskilled or inattentive hands.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
Close to where I live there is someone who every now and then takes out his Lamborghini.
And it really has no place here, especially in this country. Where it can't be driven for over a half of the year and even then; the fastest you can drive in here is 120 km/h.
Thus we have this someone making a lot of noise when going to places with his fast car, driving mainly at first gear.
[QUOTE=Source;48791088]Coping with her fathers loss my arse, some fucking lawyer somewhere will have just put it into her head to try and grab some cash.[/QUOTE]
I am not entirely convinced this was her idea. She needs some people around her that will help her cope with her grief properly, this won't help even if it's fruitful which it won't be.
Sucks that Paul Walker died and she may have it in her head that she's going to somehow get this particular car off the road, but this is a completely bullshit lawsuit that deserves to die quietly in it's sleep. Her lawyer should tell her that this is stupid and she should really sit down and think about this.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48787434]Technically, she may have a point. Some of the higher performance cars really have no place in traffic.[/QUOTE]No. Fuck that. People don't need the government to tell them what to do, if morons get maimed and killed because they do stupid shit then question how the fuck they got a license in the first place. This is the United States of America, we shouldn't need.. wait.. what
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48787434]Vehicles in which even the most skilled and experienced drivers need to maintain constant vigilance to prevent harming and killing themselves or others don't really have a place on a crowded freeway, under the control of potentially unskilled or inattentive hands.[/QUOTE][I]What?[/I] Here's something you're apparently unaware of: you're supposed to maintain constant vigilance when driving on public roads anyway.
Actually I'm convinced you don't even know how to drive (or have driven a grand total of one car in your entire life) because of things like this:
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48787434]a subtle difference in application of throttle or steering can be the difference between maintaining and fully losing control[/QUOTE]
These are cars, not aerobatics aircraft, at 65mph you're not going to suddenly fly off the road and plow into a wall because you sneezed, and if you can't regulate your speed [B]you shouldn't be fucking driving.[/b]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;48789243]I didn't know you personally went to the crash site and investigated the scene[/QUOTE]Are you questioning the investigation team's findings?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48793250]The question is if there is a faulty design? There very well could have been. Let's hear the claim before we go calling people a 'bitch' or 'money grabbing'...[/QUOTE]How about you? There was an investigation, you know, and they never went after Porsche or indicated Porsche could potentially be at fault.
[QUOTE=TestECull;48789223]She got more money in inheritance than I'll ever make in my entire lifetime and yet here she is filing a frivolous lawsuit and seeking ridiculous damages for something that's entirely 100% the fault of the driver her father was riding with.
Any sympathy I had for her vaporized the instant she submitted those documents to the court. This crash was 100% poor driving skill and poor maintenance skill on the part of the car's owner and operator. Porsche is 0% liable for what happened that day and trying to seek monetary damages from them for it is nothing more than trying to capitalize on a tragedy while hiding behind the 'woe is me my daddy died I'm still traumatized and need all these greenbacks to soothe my tears' banner.
I'm sorry, but no. I ain't buyin' it. Call me cold and heartless if you want, but I don't accept that the trauma from losing her father [b]two years ago[/b] would make her sue the wrong entity now for monetary damages. It's a money grub, plain and simple.[/QUOTE]
at this point it's really not significant whether the lawsuit is reasonable or not. you called a 16 year old girl a whore because she filed a lawsuit against a car company. and it's pretty pathetic that you seem to think grieving is an organized process where you're sad for a few months and then you just wakeup and think "wow, thank god that's over. I feel great now!" losing a parent at a young age sticks with people for a very long time. certainly longer than two fucking years.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48794210]
Are you questioning the investigation team's findings?
How about you? There was an investigation, you know, and they never went after Porsche or indicated Porsche could potentially be at fault.[/QUOTE]
You realise for things like these they have a different group of people investigating the evidence and could come up with a different yet valid conclusion?
[QUOTE=Source;48791088]Coping with her fathers loss my arse, some fucking lawyer somewhere will have just put it into her head to try and grab some cash.[/QUOTE]
lmao why would a lawyer take an unwinnable case? it makes them look bad and they in no way will earn as much as a won case.
lawyers don't tend to be self sabotaging lunatics with no regard for their career prestige. If you get a name as "that guy who takes anything" you're going to be seen as unreliable and just stop getting custom.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;48795104]You realise for things like these they have a different group of people investigating the evidence and could come up with a different yet valid conclusion?[/QUOTE]Yeah, they technically could, but unless new evidence was discovered I'd bet my left nut that the second group would concur with the first. This was a high profile case with a lot of interest from outside observers, they didn't just give this to some desk sergeant in the LAPD and let them handle it.
There was speculation about the car being at fault early on in the investigation because the car has been examined before because like most cars it gets very, very unforgiving once you start exceeding the posted speed limits. (there's a reason why most highways have 65-70mph as the speed limit) This is extremely relevant because the driver of the car was speeding at the time of the crash, the tires were old as fuck, and then there's that traction control thing. Even if the steering column disintegrated into a cloud of pixies and flew the fuck away, they were still in the wrong and Paul Walker had previously gotten tickets for excessive speed and was supposedly into the whole street racing thing. Wait, isn't that what he was famous for on screen? Movies about street racing? [I]Huh.[/I]
Nobody was surprised when James Dean died in his Porsche 550 Spyder, so I'm not sure why anyone is even remotely shocked by Paul Walker's death; they were both speed junkies who died in car crashes.
[QUOTE=Sunday_Roast;48793296]Agreed.
Close to where I live there is someone who every now and then takes out his Lamborghini.
And it really has no place here, especially in this country. Where it can't be driven for over a half of the year and even then; the fastest you can drive in here is 120 km/h.
Thus we have this someone making a lot of noise when going to places with his fast car, driving mainly at first gear.[/QUOTE]
Oooh you better pray I never become your neighbour then. You'll have quite a lot of whining to do about my car purchases.
[editline]30th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;48787434]Technically, she may have a point. Some of the higher performance cars really have no place in traffic.
You can go on about your rights to own the car of your dreams, but you have to admit there is something irrational and even negligent about selling a car to the public that readily exceeds its own handling limitations to the point where a subtle difference in application of throttle or steering can be the difference between maintaining and fully losing control in close proximity to other drivers. Vehicles in which even the most skilled and experienced drivers need to maintain constant vigilance to prevent harming and killing themselves or others don't really have a place on a crowded freeway, under the control of potentially unskilled or inattentive hands.[/QUOTE]
And you just don't know what you're talking about.
[editline]30th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48796610]and Paul Walker had previously gotten tickets for excessive speed and was supposedly into the whole street racing thing. Wait, isn't that what he was famous for on screen? Movies about street racing? [I]Huh.[/I]
Nobody was surprised when James Dean died in his Porsche 550 Spyder, so I'm not sure why anyone is even remotely shocked by Paul Walker's death; they were both speed junkies who died in car crashes.[/QUOTE]
Except Paul wasn't the one driving that car so you're basically making a big fool out of yourself.
9 year old tyres is insane... I put 5yo tyres on my mum's X5 for a week once while waiting for the proper Michelin's to come in, and they might as well have been made of wood for all the good they did... hard as a rock. Take a roundabout at more than 2km/h? Sideways.
There are so many things wrong about this situation that have zero to do with the car manufacturer. Let the court sort this out swiftly. Madness.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48797274]Except Paul wasn't the one driving that car so you're basically making a big fool out of yourself.[/QUOTE]
To slighty play the advocate here, Walker possibly [I]did[/I] know and acknowledge that Rodas was going over the speed limit, so it really comes down to potentially both men being at fault. Definitely Rodas for driving 90-100 MPH in a car with 9 year old tires and no traction control, and possibly Paul too for not telling Rodas to slow the fuck down.
However that's chance. We won't ever know if Paul tried telling him to slow down.
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48797274][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48796610]and Paul Walker had previously gotten tickets for excessive speed and was supposedly into the whole street racing thing. Wait, isn't that what he was famous for on screen? Movies about street racing? [I]Huh.[/I]
Nobody was surprised when James Dean died in his Porsche 550 Spyder, so I'm not sure why anyone is even remotely shocked by Paul Walker's death; they were both speed junkies who died in car crashes.[/QUOTE]Except Paul wasn't the one driving that car so you're basically making a big fool out of yourself.[/QUOTE]Jesus fucking Christ if you're going to intentionally misquote somebody to start shit don't do it mid-sentence [i]and[/i] leave the conjunction at the start of your quote. It's sloppy.[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48796610]This is extremely relevant because the driver of the car was speeding at the time of the crash, the tires were old as fuck, and then there's that traction control thing. Even if the steering column disintegrated into a cloud of pixies and flew the fuck away, they were still in the wrong and Paul Walker had previously gotten tickets for excessive speed and was supposedly into the whole street racing thing. Wait, isn't that what he was famous for on screen? Movies about street racing? [I]Huh.[/I][/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48796610]This is extremely relevant because the driver of the car was speeding at the time of the crash,[/QUOTE][QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48796610]the driver of the car[/QUOTE]
Great job deducing Paul Walker wasn't driving. Bravo. Paul Walker's previous automotive behavior is relevant because, get this, people are friends because they share a common interest. Paul Walker and his friend both apparently loved to drive recklessly because both of their charred corpses are six feet under right now from the [i]same[/i] accident.
this thread is fucking weird
16 year old girl files dumb lawsuit
"BITCH SLUT FUCK OFF WHORE CUNT SKANK"
??????????????
[QUOTE=MaddaCheeb;48799297]To slighty play the advocate here, Walker possibly [I]did[/I] know and acknowledge that Rodas was going over the speed limit, so it really comes down to potentially both men being at fault. Definitely Rodas for driving 90-100 MPH in a car with 9 year old tires and no traction control, and possibly Paul too for not telling Rodas to slow the fuck down.
However that's chance. We won't ever know if Paul tried telling him to slow down.[/QUOTE]
You can't really blame the passenger for something like this, regardless of if he was going "woohoo" while it was happening or if he was crying his eyeballs out.
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