• Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973144]This just in, one action determines your life for ever. Not to mention, you can never ever learn from your mistakes. This is a fact.[/QUOTE] In politics where your vote effects millions of people, yes, it does.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973158]In politics where your vote effects millions of people, yes, it does.[/QUOTE] Are you clinically retarded?
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973158]In politics where your vote effects millions of people, yes, it does.[/QUOTE] So, because the decision is important, you can't make mistakes/learn from mistakes?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973171]Are you clinically retarded?[/QUOTE] Probably, your point? [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973182]So, because the decision is important, you can't make mistakes/learn from mistakes?[/QUOTE] I never said you can't learn from them, but you can certainly lose votes from past actions. Holy hell that statement I stated was :downs: but yes, in politics, past actions matter. Should you ignore a politician's past actions? No, you should look into it.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973186]Probably, your point? I never said you can't learn from them, but you can certainly lose votes from past actions.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make him an idiot. His opinions can change, and it's doubtful he would enact a complete gun ban, or even try to.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973228]That doesn't make him an idiot. His opinions can change, and it's doubtful he would enact a complete gun ban, or even try to.[/QUOTE] And I never claimed that he would try to, all I claimed was that he made a bad decision as a senator and was pretty stupid for making that decision simply because it doesn't take a genius to realise that bans on almost anything are a horrible idea, the war on drugs is proof of that.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973270]And I never claimed that he would try to, all I claimed was that he made a bad decision as a senator and was pretty stupid for making that decision simply because it doesn't take a genius to realise that bans on almost anything are a horrible idea, the war on drugs is proof of that.[/QUOTE] No, you more or less stated "Once stupid, always stupid". No one is arguing that a prohibition on anything is dumb and ineffective.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973299]No, you more or less stated "Once stupid, always stupid". No one is arguing that a prohibition on anything is dumb and ineffective.[/QUOTE] And I agree with that statement. You can learn from mistakes, but once stupid a person is always stupid. Obama as a senator voted for an obviously stupid idea, I am just as harsh on conservative politicians as well, I don't have anything specific against obama. But what he voted for had been proven time and time again to be a bad idea, yet he and several others voted for it. So yes, I would condemn anyone who voted for it to be stupid, I am probably far too judgemental, but I would. If they didn't realise it was stupid then they clearly did not research the law and the past before they voted for it. And that would be a stupid mistake.
lets check all these fascist anti-gun measures: Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions - Disallowing home owners to outright murder a man who wants to steal a stereo? FUCK, obviously a serial killer himself, I mean shit, he was stealing a stereo! Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws - Shit, allowing separate states determine their own gun laws, fucking Hitler!!! FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban - You can't changed your mind, you can never! Your choice and point of view stays the same, even if it took place in 1996 pinko scum. Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok - Ain't misleading at all, he definitely did NOT say this was for illegal handguns, it referred to every fucking weapon. Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing - OH FUCK, HE LET THE GUN BE TRACED TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER TO HELP THE POPO CRACK DOWN ON THE BLACK MARKET AND MURDERERS. FFUUUU- 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month - Obama, if I wanted to buy 50 guns in a month, I should able to. What's wrong with you? Concealed carry OK for retired police officers - Obama letting veteran retired Officers who had training with firearms carry concealed weaponry!? Noooooo! Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities - Enforcing already stated gun laws. Fuck you Obama, fuck you. Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality - We don't want your opinions, Obama. Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions - Doesn't matter if this took place at [b]1998[/b], you're still anti-semi automatics! Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers - None of these are logical! Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices WE MUST DEFEND OURSELVES FROM STALIN 2.0!
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973355]And I agree with that statement. You can learn from mistakes, but once stupid a person is always stupid. Obama as a senator voted for an obviously stupid idea, I am just as harsh on conservative politicians as well, I don't have anything specific against obama. But what he voted for had been proven time and time again to be a bad idea, yet he and several others voted for it. So yes, I would condemn anyone who voted for it to be stupid, I am probably far too judgemental, but I would. If they didn't realise it was stupid then they clearly did not research the law and the past before they voted for it. And that would be a stupid mistake.[/QUOTE] It isn't like he made stupid decisions, he just made decisions you disagree with...
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973374]It isn't like he made stupid decisions, he just made decisions you disagree with...[/QUOTE] No, banning things in this manner is undoubtedly dumb.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;21973367]lets check all these fascist anti-gun measures: Opposed bill okaying illegal gun use in home invasions - Disallowing home owners to outright murder a man who wants to steal a stereo? FUCK, obviously a serial killer himself, I mean shit, he was stealing a stereo! Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws - Shit, allowing separate states determine their own gun laws, fucking Hitler!!! FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban - You can't changed your mind, you can never! Your choice and point of view stays the same, even if it took place in 1996 pinko scum. Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok - Ain't misleading at all, he definitely did NOT say this was for illegal handguns, it referred to every fucking weapon. Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing - OH FUCK, HE LET THE GUN BE TRACED TO THE ORIGINAL OWNER TO HELP THE POPO CRACK DOWN ON THE BLACK MARKET AND MURDERERS. FFUUUU- 2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month - Obama, if I wanted to buy 50 guns in a month, I should able to. What's wrong with you? Concealed carry OK for retired police officers - Obama letting veteran retired Officers who had training with firearms carry concealed weaponry!? Noooooo! Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities - Enforcing already stated gun laws. Fuck you Obama, fuck you. Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality - We don't want your opinions, Obama. Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions - Doesn't matter if this took place at [B]1998[/B], you're still anti-semi automatics! Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers - None of these are logical! Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices WE MUST DEFEND OURSELVES FROM STALIN 2.0![/QUOTE] Ugh, I am not claiming that obama is stalin 2.0, jesus h chroist. And yes I would condemn any politician for what they voted on as a senator, no matter how long ago it was. I simply am saying what he voted on was a bad idea. [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973374]It isn't like he made stupid decisions, he just made decisions you disagree with...[/QUOTE] Yes, he did. All politics are is just hundreds of opinions clamouring to be heard over other opinions. But the prohibition and the war on drugs are proof that such a system doesn't work. If it worked I would have no problem with it at all. But it doesn't.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973438]No, banning things in this manner is undoubtedly dumb.[/QUOTE] But Obama didn't really vote against anything that went overboard, soo
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;21973367]complete refutation of stupid bullshit[/QUOTE] Is this so hard to understand? Thank you lolwutdude [editline]06:06PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973456]But Obama didn't really vote against anything that went overboard, soo[/QUOTE] No, he didn't really. Though, the semi automatic ban did go too far, but he probably learnt from it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973458]Is this so hard to understand? Thank you lolwutdude [editline]06:06PM[/editline] No, he didn't really. Though, the semi automatic ban did go too far, but he probably learnt from it.[/QUOTE] And seeing as how he really hasn't voted to ban anything else, he probably has. He clearly had the votes to early on in his term but didn't, but I still highly disagree with what he voted early on in his career. I am a massive critic to anyone involving politics though, I would probably condemn every single member currently in congress of being stupid from some vote in their past.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;21964876]You're wrong.[/QUOTE] this is why ur wrong nah nah nah! [editline]01:16AM[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;21964985]Guns are good.[/QUOTE] so murder, crime and war is good? what fucking world are you living in [editline]01:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;21965333]Hunting for some, defense for others, hobbies for most. Not everyone can have them by the way, felons cant have them legally.[/QUOTE] you don't need to hunt.
I live in Alaska, and I believe that gun control needs to be stricter than it is right now. There are so many retards and meth heads here.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;21965660]So we should just get rid of them all together?[/QUOTE] they're useless.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973630]this is why ur wrong nah nah nah! [editline]01:16AM[/editline] so murder, crime and war is good? what fucking world are you living in[/QUOTE] So the capability to defend yourself is bad? What world are you living in? I would love for humans to be unable to kill each other, but sadly that's not the case. In a world where there are criminals who could and would shoot you for your TV, I sure as hell would want a gun. Let's say in theory everyone, criminal and innocent people have a gun. I bet there would be a very small amount of crime compared to today, most criminals don't have the balls to steal from a house with an armed person in it.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21966251]But a person could take a car and run it into a school But a person could take a knife and kill kids in a school (ala china) But a person could illegally obtain a gun and still shoot up a school while law abiding citizens get fucked. Let's just ban everything sounds reasonable[/QUOTE] I love this argument. It's fucking hilariously stupid. It's so fucking ignorant and vagu- oh wait, perfumely. maybe one day when you get into middle school, you'll understand why murder isn't a good thing, perfumely.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973630]this is why ur wrong nah nah nah![/QUOTE] p. sure violating the Constitution is a bad thing see: Washington D.C. handgun ban [QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973630]so murder, crime and war is good? what fucking world are you living in[/QUOTE] guns =/= murder, crime, and war war has been around long before guns were invented. war is part of human nature. [QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973630]you don't need to hunt.[/QUOTE] if he wants to hunt then that's his business and he should be allowed to.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973702]I love this argument. It's fucking hilariously stupid. It's so fucking ignorant and vagu- oh wait, perfumely. maybe one day when you get into middle school, you'll understand why murder isn't a good thing, perfumely.[/QUOTE] I think my idiocy meter just disappeared from the arrow thingie hitting the wall of the meter so fast the atoms stopped existing.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973681]they're useless.[/QUOTE] not really.. having the government by the balls and self defense isn't a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973699]So the capability to defend yourself is bad?[/quote] police are fictional true story [i]What world are you living in? I would love for humans to be unable to kill each other, but sadly that's not the case.[/i] gun control breeds low crime rates... statistically, it supports me. [quote]In a world where there are criminals who could and would shoot you for your TV, I sure as hell would want a gun.[/quote] because everyone is looking to kill you, Bepo5. quick, get your gun! there's a black guy outside, he may rape you for your TV because when I steal TV's I want to kill people, right? [quote]Let's say in theory everyone, criminal and innocent people have a gun. I bet there would be a very small amount of crime compared to today, most criminals don't have the balls to steal from a house with an armed person in it.[/QUOTE] wow... you are fucking ignorant. people don't rob homes with guns in them? right, and Canada is fictional. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;21973735]not really.. having the government by the balls and self defense isn't a bad thing.[/QUOTE] right, a few thousand rednecks against the US army isn't good odds. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973726]I think my idiocy meter just disappeared from the arrow thingie hitting the wall of the meter so fast the atoms stopped existing.[/QUOTE] fantastic post everyone! i was sure shown boy, my heart skipped a beat :( you fucking destroyed my argument.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973755]police are fictional true story [I]What world are you living in? I would love for humans to be unable to kill each other, but sadly that's not the case.[/I] gun control breeds low crime rates... statistically, it supports me. because everyone is looking to kill you, Bepo5. quick, get your gun! there's a black guy outside, he may rape you for your TV because when I steal TV's I want to kill people, right? wow... you are fucking ignorant. people don't rob homes with guns in them? right, and Canada is fictional.[/QUOTE] Police live in your attic and the moment they detect a home invasion they spring out to grab the criminal. True story. It could take cops up to ten minutes to get to your house, ten minutes that anything could happen. Or, you could have a gun and call the cops to confirm your story and pick up the body, your choice.
Why should I argue with you, when it's obvious you won't listen to anything ANYONE says?
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973755]right, a few thousand rednecks against the US army isn't good odds.[/QUOTE] the entire US military isn't just going to turn on their own citizens.. their duty is to protect the nation and its people. ~70 million gun owners and ~270 million guns is more than enough to do a lot of damage.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21973711]p. sure violating the Constitution is a bad thing see: Washington D.C. handgun ban[/quote] WELL REGULATED MILITA = we need everyone to own guns to kill those pesky black people who want to steal my TV [quote]guns =/= murder, crime, and war war has been around long before guns were invented. war is part of human nature.[/quote] ...War is fought with guns lol [quote]if he wants to hunt then that's his business and he should be allowed to.[/QUOTE] killing animals for sport seems a bit cruel.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973755]police are fictional true story [i]What world are you living in? I would love for humans to be unable to kill each other, but sadly that's not the case.[/i] gun control breeds low crime rates... statistically, it supports me. because everyone is looking to kill you, Bepo5. quick, get your gun! there's a black guy outside, he may rape you for your TV because when I steal TV's I want to kill people, right? wow... you are fucking ignorant. people don't rob homes with guns in them? right, and Canada is fictional. [editline]01:24AM[/editline] right, a few thousand rednecks against the US army isn't good odds.[/QUOTE] Don't fucking bring up Canada. Do you know how easy it is to get a gun here? You need to be a registered citizen with no criminal record over the age of 18. That's it. A few days of paperwork, that's IT. When I turned 18, I bought a gun a week later, I applied the day I turned 18, I had it a week later. I know MANY people who have guns. We have over 12 million guns for under 34 million people. Fuck off with these "No guns in canada" stats, It's bullshit.
"wow... you are fucking ignorant. people don't rob homes with guns in them? right, and Canada is fictional." There goes your credibility, buddy. [editline]06:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]WELL REGULATED MILITA = we need everyone to own guns to kill those pesky black people who want to steal my TV ...War is fought with guns lol killing animals for sport seems a bit cruel.[/QUOTE] Generally people hunt animals to eat
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