• Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
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[QUOTE=JDK721;21973711]p. sure violating the Constitution is a bad thing see: Washington D.C. handgun ban.[/QUOTE] I will say this, though I wholeheartedly support gun rights. You really can't use the Constitution as an example of gun freedom. The second part of the Bill of Rights, the "Right to Bear Arms", actually was made to give the ability to "create and upkeep a well-organized militia". It really has nothing to do with gun rights. However, the statistics, facts of lower crime rates with guns, etc. should be proof enough we need guns.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973801]Police live in your attic and the moment they detect a home invasion they spring out to grab the criminal. True story. It could take cops up to ten minutes to get to your house, ten minutes that anything could happen. Or, you could have a gun and call the cops to confirm your story and pick up the body, your choice.[/QUOTE] uh, 7 minutes actually. so you kill a man... because he's taking your stereo. Ok, glad to see you value human life. [QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973805]Why should I argue with you, when it's obvious you won't listen to anything ANYONE says?[/QUOTE] lol, that's one way to admit you don't know what you're talking about. Then again, you think the Iraq war was a good thing, so you aren't the bastion of intelligence.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]WELL REGULATED MILITA = we need everyone to own guns to kill those pesky black people who want to steal my TV ...War is fought with guns lol killing animals for sport seems a bit cruel.[/QUOTE] What. The. Hell. War is fought with fists, words, and opinions as well as with guns. Life is cruel unfortunately, and I bet that if a tiger was eyeing you, it wouldn't think that killing you is a bit cruel.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]WELL REGULATED MILITA = we need everyone to own guns to kill those pesky black people who want to steal my TV ...War is fought with guns lol killing animals for sport seems a bit cruel.[/QUOTE] Yeah well so is breeding them to be slaughtered and turned into hamburgers.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21973853] However, the statistics, facts of lower crime rates with guns, etc. should be proof enough we need guns.[/QUOTE] what magical world does this happen in? certainly not in reality.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]WELL REGULATED MILITA = we need everyone to own guns to kill those pesky black people who want to steal my TV[/QUOTE] supreme court ruled that owning guns is an individual right and that you cannot ban guns like they did in Washington D.C. with handguns. [QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]...War is fought with guns lol [/QUOTE] your point? war has been around LONG BEFORE the invention of guns. they used clubs, swords, spears, etc. before guns. [QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]killing animals for sport seems a bit cruel.[/QUOTE] a lot of people hunt to put food on the table for their family.. it's LESS CRUEL than what the animals that end up in grocery stores/restaurants go through.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973863]uh, 7 minutes actually. so you kill a man... because he's taking your stereo. Ok, glad to see you value human life. lol, that's one way to admit you don't know what you're talking about. Then again, you think the Iraq war was a good thing, so you aren't the bastion of intelligence.[/QUOTE] Neither are you, in fact, I dare say you're much, MUCH worse. Stop being so aggressive, you're typing like everyone is against you and will beat you up if you lose the argument.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21973808]the entire US military isn't just going to turn on their own citizens.. their duty is to protect the nation and its people.[/QUOTE] True. If some sort of government revolution took place and the military was ordered to turn on the people, not all of them are just going to follow like robots.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21973872]Yeah well so is breeding them to be slaughtered and turned into hamburgers.[/QUOTE] food =/= killing them for fun by that logic, since we eat animals, you can kill and torture pets and other animals.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973863]uh, 7 minutes actually. so you kill a man... because he's taking your stereo. Ok, glad to see you value human life.[/QUOTE] No, I kill a man because I don't know why the hell he is in my house. He might have a gun, he might not be afraid to kill me in a heartbeat, if he sees me calling the cops he might just shoot me there to try and leave no witnesses. I personally won't be taking that chance. And the criminal knew the consequences of failure the moment he decided to rush into my house.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973863]uh, 7 minutes actually. so you kill a man... because he's taking your stereo. Ok, glad to see you value human life. [/QUOTE] People have the right to defend their property and their livelihoods. I wouldn't shoot to kill, but I would defend my belongings and family. After all, that is [B]my[/B] stereo that I bought with [B]my[/B] money.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973883]Neither are you, in fact, I dare say you're much, MUCH worse. Stop being so aggressive, you're typing like everyone is against you and will beat you up if you lose the argument.[/QUOTE] what the fuck are you talking about? [editline]01:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Flitchaye;21973892]People have the right to defend their property and their livelihoods. I wouldn't shoot to kill, but I would defend my belongings and personal protection. After all, that is [B]my[/B] stereo that I bought with [B]my[/B] money.[/QUOTE] um... you're still putting the value on a human being. [editline]01:31AM[/editline] that's fucked up
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21973853]I will say this, though I wholeheartedly support gun rights. You really can't use the Constitution as an example of gun freedom. The second part of the Bill of Rights, the "Right to Bear Arms", actually was made to give the ability to "create and upkeep a well-organized militia". It really has nothing to do with gun rights. However, the statistics, facts of lower crime rates with guns, etc. should be proof enough we need guns.[/QUOTE] protip: the supreme court ruled that owning guns is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21973884]True. If some sort of government revolution took place and the military was ordered to turn on the people, not all of them are just going to follow like robots.[/QUOTE] Luckily if we ever did get to the point where the government was a totalitarian police state, I'm sure they would institute proper brainwashing as to avoid such a situation.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973818]...War is fought with guns lol .[/QUOTE] Out of thousands upon thousands upon thousands of years of human civilization, guns have actually only been put in major useage since the late 1600s, mainly thanks to generals like John Churchill who drifted away from the medieval focuses of pikemen and halberdiers.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973897]what the fuck are you talking about? [editline]01:30AM[/editline] um... you're still putting the value on a human being. [editline]01:31AM[/editline] that's fucked up[/QUOTE] I'm calling you a dumb, nervous, and aggressive asshole
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21973889]No, I kill a man because I don't know why the hell he is in my house. He might have a gun, he might not be afraid to kill me in a heartbeat, if he sees me calling the cops he might just shoot me there to try and leave no witnesses. I personally won't be taking that chance. And the criminal knew the consequences of failure the moment he decided to rush into my house.[/QUOTE] so... you kill a human being because he's in your house, and nothing else factors in. Ok do you shoot at the mailman each morning when you crawl out from under your bed to check if someone is trying to rob you?
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973888]food =/= killing them for fun by that logic, since we eat animals, you can kill and torture pets and other animals.[/QUOTE] Well then if you eat the animals you hunt, it's aight?
[QUOTE=JDK721;21973916]protip: the supreme court ruled that owning guns is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.[/QUOTE] I know, I'm just saying people can't say "Well, the second ammendment guarantees me gun rights". If they say "It's a logical right guaranteed by the Supreme Court", then that's complete true.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973925]I'm calling you a dumb, nervous, and aggressive asshole[/QUOTE] You sure are contributing, yes sir! says the guy who supports the iraq war
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973897]what the fuck are you talking about? [editline]01:30AM[/editline] um... you're still putting the value on a human being. [editline]01:31AM[/editline] that's fucked up[/QUOTE] I'd imagine if a person wants to steal your stuff, he's scum, not a human.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973897] [editline]01:30AM[/editline] um... you're still putting the value on a human being. [editline]01:31AM[/editline] that's fucked up[/QUOTE] Ok, so you want me to let them have my stereo and everything else I own because they're absolutely pure and priceless people?:downswords:
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973935]You sure are contributing, yes sir! says the guy who supports the iraq war[/QUOTE] Lets assume you're right, and that guns are bad and should be banned unequivacally. How do we go about this? Do we take them all away forcibly? Do you not see the problem? Do you ask for them politely? Do you not see the problem? What do you do? You can't very well leave them in that state can you? Do you not see the problem with this? Guns will not be able to be removed by just a ban. Criminals aren't going to follow a gun law just because it's a gun law, suddenly, all of those legal guns become illegal and a black market/prohibition situation is set up, and things are worse than before.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973931]so... you kill a human being because he's in your house, and nothing else factors in. Ok do you shoot at the mailman each morning when you crawl out from under your bed to check if someone is trying to rob you?[/QUOTE] You obviously know what he means. If a guy comes into my house with a knife, for example, and demands money or things like that, I'd shoot him. That's what he means.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973935]You sure are contributing, yes sir! says the guy who supports the iraq war[/QUOTE] says the guy who doesn't look at statistics before blatantly crying out "statistics are on MY SIDE" and what the fuck does my support of the iraq war have to do with this, stop nitpicking. also, when did i even say that
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973863]uh, 7 minutes actually. so you kill a man... because he's taking your stereo. Ok, glad to see you value human life. lol, that's one way to admit you don't know what you're talking about. Then again, you think the Iraq war was a good thing, so you aren't the bastion of intelligence.[/QUOTE] Christopher Hitchens thinks the iraq war is a good thing, so, is he a retard by your views? I'm not supporting it, but there are reasons.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973931]so... you kill a human being because he's in your house, and nothing else factors in. Ok do you shoot at the mailman each morning when you crawl out from under your bed to check if someone is trying to rob you?[/QUOTE] The mailman generally does not step into my house. Does yours? :raise: Yes, if I saw a person that I did not recognize in my house, I would be holding my gun in an instant and questioning as to why he is here. If it was at night when a criminal would try to break in and saw/heard a window breaking, yes I would shoot on sight.
That's all speculation. That's the fucking problem, you people are paranoid as fuck.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21973936]I'd imagine if a person wants to steal your stuff, he's scum, not a human.[/QUOTE] drama queen.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973931]so... you kill a human being because he's in your house, and nothing else factors in. Ok do you shoot at the mailman each morning when you crawl out from under your bed to check if someone is trying to rob you?[/QUOTE] I don't shoot the mailman because he is not robbing me, he is delivering mail. He isn't in my house carrying away shit now, is he?
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