• Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
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[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21974128]If he was the kind of guy who has "10 children to feed and no job", I'd have sympathy on him, give him a few pounds, and direct him to a place for homeless help. However, if he pulls out a knife on me and demands I give him my stuff and refuses to listen to me, I don't think I'd want to help him.[/QUOTE] Well yes, that's when you pull out the Baseball bat and smash his head in.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974131]Gun control, and in the future it'll be gone.[/QUOTE] Gun control won't make guns disappear. When you prohibit something it simply goes underground to the black market. Gun control disarms law abiding citizens while criminals remained armed because they obviously don't care about the laws.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21974123]Not really. Gun smuggling doesn't work on a large scale like alcohol. See, guns are physical objects that you can usually only expect to sell to people once in a prohibited environment. Alcohol is a liquid that you can sell to a single person multiple times, that they don't carry around with them and you don't have to import from out of the country.[/QUOTE] Good point, but I've heard crime reports of major burglars carrying around major weapons stashes. For example, two men carried around several assault rifles, pistols, ammunitions, and kevlar vests for a bank robbery. To some people, the more is indeed the merrier.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21974134]That's not a factor into it. It's population per area. It's not a dense country, so people are more at ease and not in a large concrete jungle environment, thus not going mad and having less of a poor/rich split causing tensions.[/QUOTE] So you're telling me that everyone having a gun (basically putting a big danger sign over every house in the country) has nothing to do with no one wanting to rob people's homes?
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21974140]You have to import cocaine from out of the country, and they make millions off of that shit.[/QUOTE] Yes, but comparing the cocaine trade to the illegal liquor trade is ridiculous.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;21974138]What happened to your other account? Can look with search down and all[/QUOTE] It was trolling in an RP, not the inthenews section believe it or not.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974147]you're a lunatic.[/QUOTE] no not really
[QUOTE=JDK721;21974152]Gun control won't make guns disappear. When you prohibit something it simply goes underground to the black market. Gun control disarms law abiding citizens while criminals remained armed because they obviously don't care about the laws.[/QUOTE] Dude, it's all magic. When a law is enacted, magic happens.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21974145]Yeah, or he breaks into your house while you aren't there like a proper criminal, steals your stereo AND your boomstick and leaves you to your petulant fantasies of power.[/QUOTE] In that case I'll miss that steroe and broomstick, he was a good broom. :sigh:
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21974153]Good point, but I've heard crime reports of major burglars carrying around major weapons stashes. For example, two men carried around several assault rifles, pistols, ammunitions, and kevlar vests for a bank robbery. To some people, the more is indeed the merrier.[/QUOTE] Yes, but the major burglar market isn't a big one.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21974158]Yes, but comparing the cocaine trade to the illegal liquor trade is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] How come? They're both addictive (though totally different levels), and both consumed substances and stuff.
This is why I'm annoyed, you've yet to say anything to a rational counter argument. Trotsky, you're smart, but you're not being the least bit intelligent here.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974147]you're a lunatic.[/QUOTE] So, if a guy runs at you with a weapon, you won't shoot him? If he tries to steal from you and runs, you won't shoot him in the leg (which is relatively harmless compared to other possible body parts to shoot)? Yeah, let's let criminals run off to the streets to go attack and possibly kill someone else because we're not man enough to take up for ourselves.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21974152]Gun control won't make guns disappear. When you prohibit something it simply goes underground to the black market. Gun control disarms law abiding citizens while criminals remained armed because they obviously don't care about the laws.[/QUOTE] It'll put a huge dent in crime rates. Look at European countries with high gun control. Much lower crime rates. Like Norway, lowest in the world. so you... go after the blackmarket on guns.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21974157]So you're telling me that everyone having a gun (basically putting a big danger sign over every house in the country) has nothing to do with no one wanting to rob people's homes?[/QUOTE] If every law-abiding citizen had a gun and everybody knew it, I don't think very many people would actually want to steal knowing that fact.
[QUOTE=Bepo5;21974177]In that case I'll miss that steroe and broomstick, he was a good broom. :sigh:[/QUOTE] I didn't say broomstick. I don't get the joke.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;21974158]Yes, but comparing the cocaine trade to the illegal liquor trade is ridiculous.[/QUOTE] No, it's not ridiculous at all. It's quite sane really.
I really hate Palin. Even her voice alone is just fucking grating.
[QUOTE=Flitchaye;21974188]If every law-abiding citizen had a gun and everybody knew it, I don't think very many people would actually want to steal knowing that fact.[/QUOTE] Like I said, good burglars don't just waltz into your house at four in the afternoon. They case you out and wait for you to leave.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974190]These types of threads are always hilariously pathetic. All these Americans trying to blindly defend their shitty gun rights. Don't think other countries don't cover your massive crime and shooting rates on their news.[/QUOTE] It really all depends on where you live, some places in the USA are safer than...where you live
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974184]It'll put a huge dent in crime rates. Look at European countries with high gun control. Much lower crime rates. Like Norway, lowest in the world. so you... go after the blackmarket on guns.[/QUOTE] And we all know how well that is working out right now on the war on drugs.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974190]These types of threads are always hilariously pathetic. All these Americans trying to blindly defend their shitty gun rights. Don't think other countries don't cover your massive crime and shooting rates on their news. We know about the shit that goes on down there.[/QUOTE] It's the criminals who have guns ILLEGALLY who are involved in the shooting, most of the time. It's people with guns legally who typically save the situations from escalating.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21974157]So you're telling me that everyone having a gun (basically putting a big danger sign over every house in the country) has nothing to do with no one wanting to rob people's homes?[/QUOTE] It might be a minor factor, but it's nothing compared to the lack of Rich/Poor Divide. Find me a homeless person if Switzerland. I bet you can't.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21974183]So, if a guy runs at you with a weapon, you won't shoot him?[/quote] why would a guy be coming at me with a gun? [quote]If he tries to steal from you and runs, you won't shoot him in the leg (which is relatively harmless compared to other possible body parts to shoot)?[/quote] no, and no, sparky, you can hit an artery. [quote]Yeah, let's let criminals run off to the streets to go attack and possibly kill someone else because we're not man enough to take up for ourselves.[/QUOTE] so the alternative is to kill people who you think are criminals? I think you stole that computer you're on gmod, brb, going to fucking up your legs.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974184][B]It'll put a huge dent in crime rates.[/B] Look at European countries with high gun control. Much lower crime rates. Like Norway, lowest in the world. so you... go after the blackmarket on guns.[/QUOTE] I don't believe that one bit. The criminals here are getting their guns ILLEGALLY to begin with. They don't go to their local gun shop and purchase a gun. They do straw purchases which means they have a person who is legally allowed to buy guns buy them one. If a criminal has a gun then there's a good chance that he either got it from a friend or relative. He didn't go to the local gun shop and pass a background check to obtain a firearm. And there are a lot more factors than gun control when it comes to crime rate. Correlation does not imply causation.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21974206]It might be a minor factor, but it's nothing compared to the lack of Rich/Poor Divide. Find me a homeless person if Switzerland. I bet you can't.[/QUOTE] I'm sure it's a quite big factor, I'm not saying what you said isn't a factor or anything, but still, to say that everyone having guns doesn't help keep burglars discouraged quite a bit is insane.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21974191]No, it's not ridiculous at all. It's quite sane really.[/QUOTE] In the Prohibition era, alcohol was valued by many as much as drug-addicts and smugglers value cocaine today.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21974206]It might be a minor factor, but it's nothing compared to the lack of Rich/Poor Divide. Find me a homeless person if Switzerland. I bet you can't.[/QUOTE] [editline]01:50AM[/editline] [url]http://www.feantsa.org/files/Health%20and%20Social%20Protection/Reference%20Documents/mental%20illness%20Switz.pdf[/url] [editline]01:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;21974217]I don't believe that one bit. The criminals here are getting their guns ILLEGALLY to begin with. They don't go to their local gun shop and purchase a gun. They do straw purchases which means they have a person who is legally allowed to buy guns buy them one. If a criminal has a gun then there's a good chance that he either got it from a friend or relative. He didn't go to the local gun shop and pass a background check to obtain a firearm. And there are a lot more factors than gun control when it comes to crime rate. Correlation does not imply causation.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/url] um
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21974227]I'm sure it's a quite big factor, I'm not saying what you said isn't a factor or anything, but still, to say that everyone having guns doesn't help keep burglars discouraged quite a bit is insane.[/QUOTE] Guns affect if by about 30% The lack of poor people in Switzerland makes up for about 40% The 30% is other factors.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974211]why would a guy be coming at me with a gun? no, and no, sparky, you can hit an artery. so the alternative is to kill people who you think are criminals? I think you stole that computer you're on gmod, brb, going to fucking up your legs.[/QUOTE] When you see a stranger, in your house, picking up your property, attempting to escape with it, I think that's stealing. I'm seriously starting to think you're a troll. I can't believe this is the same Trotsky who logically argued with me and stalemated the drug argument for 15+ pages.
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