less guns to kill people. not that hard to understand.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974257]less guns to kill people. not that hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
People kill people, guns don't.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21974228]In the Prohibition era, alcohol was valued by many as much as drug-addicts and smugglers value cocaine today.[/QUOTE]
Easily. No prohibition works. Cocaine right now is actually incredibly easy to get a hold of because of it's legal status.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21974249]Guns affect if by about 30%
The lack of poor people in Switzerland makes up for about 40%
The 30% is other factors.[/QUOTE]
30% is pretty big I'd say, but I still think it's bigger than even 30%.
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[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974257]less guns to kill people. not that hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
If someone wanted someone dead I don't think they'd have to use a gun to do so.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974257]less guns to kill people. not that hard to understand.[/QUOTE]
Hey, can I get a rational/detailed at least a little bit, response to my earlier post you've STILL ignored dealing with the problems with your argument.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974190]These types of threads are always hilariously pathetic. All these Americans trying to blindly defend their shitty gun rights.
Don't think other countries don't cover your massive crime and shooting rates on their news.
We know about the shit that goes on down there.[/QUOTE]
Other first-world countries are notorious for hiding and masking their crime rates. Japan, for instance, has a "very low" homicide / death rate due to several practices, such as not adding deaths to statistics if they die on the ambulance ride there or being unable to afford medication. France does something like that as well.
Not to mention, a lot of those countries as a whole are a lot smaller than the United States, with less racial tension and the like. However, the gun crimes that happen here are either due to gangs fighting other gangs over the black market, or single homicides due to family problems or something. People don't go on outright massacres on a day to day basis. I have never witnessed any crime beyond a few robberies in my neighborhood, and I live in a poor part of San Diego.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21974252]When you see a stranger, in your house, picking up your property, attempting to escape with it, I think that's stealing.
I'm seriously starting to think you're a troll. I can't believe this is the same Trotsky who logically argued with me and stalemated the drug argument for 15+ pages.[/QUOTE]
oh wow, you identified the crime there Holmes. Quick, popquiz, what setting fire to things intentionally called?
What's your fucking point? I don't kill people who steal.
Right, being against guns is fucking impossible, right?
there is no such thing as anti-gun
nope
if there is, they're bullshitting and trolling
what the fuck is wrong with you?
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974230][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate[/url]
um[/QUOTE]
Correlation DOES NOT imply causation.
Also, read this:
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/gunfoxwin1.png[/img]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21974281]Hey, can I get a rational/detailed at least a little bit, response to my earlier post you've STILL ignored dealing with the problems with your argument.[/QUOTE]
I answered your post.
[QUOTE=Flitchaye;21974284]Other first-world countries are notorious for hiding and masking their crime rates. Japan, for instance, has a "very low" homicide / death rate due to several practices, such as not adding deaths to statistics if they die on the ambulance ride there or being unable to afford medication. France does something like that as well.
Not to mention, a lot of those countries as a whole are a lot smaller than the United States, with less racial tension and the like. However, the gun crimes that happen here are either due to gangs fighting other gangs over the black market, or single homicides due to family problems or something. People don't go on outright massacres on a day to day basis. I have never witnessed any crime beyond a few robberies in my neighborhood, and I live in a poor part of San Diego.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, it DEFINITELY depends on where you live.
Some places of California are dangerous, Compton, Richmond, Oakland, are a few examples.
However, some places of California are probably some of the safest places you'll ever see, Danville, Alamo, Clayton, there are more but those are my local ones.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21974271]
If someone wanted someone dead I don't think they'd have to use a gun to do so.[/QUOTE]
um, i'm pretty sure a majority use guns or think of using guns.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974296]I answered your post.[/QUOTE]
No, you basically said "FUCKING MAGIC DUDE"
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974308]um, i'm pretty sure a majority use guns or think of using guns.[/QUOTE]
um, but if they couldn't get them, that wouldn't stop them
[QUOTE=The golden;21974323]Haha, that's a load of steaming bullshit.[/QUOTE]
...how
[QUOTE=The golden;21974323]Haha, that's a load of steaming bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Wait! Criminals buy their guns legally?! Holy fuck!
Are you retarded?
[QUOTE=JDK721;21974294]Correlation DOES NOT imply causation.
Also, read this:
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/gunfoxwin1.png[/img][/QUOTE]
I looked it up, his statistics are pretty wrong.
he also thinks protection of property is a perfectly acceptable reason to murder another human being.
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21974329]...how[/QUOTE]
The smell is usually a good indication of it.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21974334]Wait! Criminals buy their guns legally?! Holy fuck!
Are you retarded?[/QUOTE]
no criminal has ever bought his gun legally, true story.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974290]oh wow, you identified the crime there Holmes. Quick, popquiz, what setting fire to things intentionally called?
What's your fucking point? I don't kill people who steal.
Right, being against guns is fucking impossible, right?
there is no such thing as anti-gun
nope
if there is, they're bullshitting and trolling
what the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
It's ok to be anti-gun, but have a reason.
Imagine this scenario:
Two men you don't know come into your house in a threatening manner. You have 2 children and a wife. They demand you hand over everything you have. Are you going to:
A. Pull ou your gun and demand they leave or you'll shoot
B. Get an expensive haircut
C. Try to sort things out nicely, kindly, diplomatically, and patiently
D. Call the police though they may take 10+ minutes to reach you
[QUOTE=The golden;21974323]Haha, that's a load of steaming bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Making them illegal would make it far easier for criminals to get guns. Some criminals may indeed buy their guns legally, but why make it even easier for them to get it by banning them?
Someone should make a map with npc's in them with differing aggression, with differing gun possession, and set the player up to see which one's he'd rather go into, gunless homes, or gunful homes.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974347]I looked it up, his statistics are pretty wrong.
[/QUOTE]
Needs citation.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974351]no criminal has ever bought his gun legally, true story.[/QUOTE]
Some have, though in general they get them illegally, mainly because guns they need for firepower are illegal to be sold to civilians (full-automatic weapons).
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974351]no criminal has ever bought his gun legally, true story.[/QUOTE]
No, but the majority of gun crimes won't be. Nor would that stop someone determined to kill another person, buying a gun illegally isn't hard.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974290]oh wow, you identified the crime there Holmes. Quick, popquiz, what setting fire to things intentionally called?
What's your fucking point? I don't kill people who steal.
Right, being against guns is fucking impossible, right?
there is no such thing as anti-gun
nope
if there is, they're bullshitting and trolling
what the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE]
One of the biggest gun creeds in self-defense of property is to give a warning count to surrender (if he or she doesn't, you simply incapacitate him or her). You never ever shoot to kill unless you are in direct danger. I'm not going to blow out the guy's brains because he's stealing my property. I'm going to give the robber a warning, and if he fails to comply, I have the right to defend my property by preventing him from escaping, like a shot to the foot.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974323]Haha, that's a load of steaming bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Do you think the shooters at Columbine, etc. got their combat shotguns and assault rifles legally?
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21974353]It's ok to be anti-gun, but have a reason.
Imagine this scenario:
Two men you don't know come into your house in a threatening manner. You have 2 children and a wife. They demand you hand over everything you have. Are you going to:
A. Pull ou your gun and demand they leave or you'll shoot
B. Get an expensive haircut
C. Try to sort things out nicely, kindly, diplomatically, and patiently
D. Call the police though they may take 10+ minutes to reach you[/QUOTE]
this is so fucking superficial, speculatory and just plain ambiguous to answer.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;21973989]Ho Chi Minh,
Lets assume you're right, and that guns are bad and should be banned unequivacally. How do we go about this? Do we take them all away forcibly? Do you not see the problem? Do you ask for them politely? Do you not see the problem? What do you do? You can't very well leave them in that state can you?
Do you not see the problem with this? Guns will not be able to be removed by just a ban. Criminals aren't going to follow a gun law just because it's a gun law, suddenly, all of those legal guns become illegal and a black market/prohibition situation is set up, and things are worse than before.[/QUOTE]
You addressed none of this.
I personally never saw the point of assault rifles, fully automatic rifles spell danger in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974351]no criminal has ever bought his gun legally, true story.[/QUOTE]
they generally don't because they're flagged when they do the background check.
now if you're talking about someone who was arrested for having an ounce of marijuana then that's a different story. they're still allowed to possess guns.
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