• Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
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[QUOTE=Bepo5;21974537]This. There are 250 million guns in america. Ban them and they all go straight to the black market who will be massively strengthened by the ban, who will then sell it to whoever has the money to pay them. Likely leading back to gangs and causing a ton of violence from the black markets, and all criminals now know that legal citizens have no way to defend themselves, causing them to become bolder and have a large increase in home invasions.[/QUOTE] Plus, don't forget the hay-day criminals will have knowing they can basically rob any home they won't and no one there will be able to stop them. [editline]10:14PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JDK721;21974587]lol threaten do you think some robber who just broke into your house is going to give a fuck about words?[/QUOTE] "Sir, I demand you to drop down those propercial items of my possession this instant - ah, ah, no, no! Put that television set down right now you silly law-breaker! Don't make me write out a long governmental note of complaints expressing my immense dissastisfaction with your behaviour!"
[QUOTE=The golden;21974540]If people kill people, why give them guns to assist them?[/QUOTE] Because once people started using guns for crime, people started to use guns for protection. (Not to mention, gun ownership is determined if you have a clean criminal record or not. You also can't predict that Average Joe on the street is going to go postal or just looking for a means of self-defense.) And on that note, I'm not going to charge a dude with a gun using an antique sword, now, am I? Your argument could also apply to swords, clubs, and just plain fists. Humans are naturally warlike, so it's only fair to fight fire with fire when diplomacy falls through. Guns were invented as to give an edge in war, and it eventually trickled into the masses.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974540]If people kill people, why give them guns to assist them?[/QUOTE] Agreed but why ban them to make anyone who is a legit gun owner into a criminal? Now only criminals have guns, and that will surely end well. There's no good solution to solving gun violence, the only solution is to let it be. Ban it or restrict it more and it just gives the edge to criminals. Make it too leniant and soon you get crazies having them, right now I feel that it is at a pretty good balance between the two, and it should stay that way.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974681]Isn't that supposed to be the job of the law enforcement? You know, to cut down on crime?[/QUOTE] Police will not always be there. There will never be enough police. Also, guns are a nice way of letting the people have an edge over the government in case things go to shit.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974681]Isn't that supposed to be the job of the law enforcement? You know, to cut down on crime?[/QUOTE] Yes, it is. Unfortunately, usually by the time police are at the scene, the criminals are long gone. Leaving it up to the civilians to protect themselves in any way they can.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974745]I'm not talking about during the action scene of the crime, I mean in general. Reducing the overall population and operations of criminals. You people make it sound like the second the police blink, criminals spew out of the woodwork and start shooting everything that moves.[/QUOTE] Yes, but they have proven that it is a horrible idea to take on a black market, as the war on drugs has proven. We don't want or need a war on guns.
its not hard to understand this no one is going to attempt a shooting spree in a gun show NO ONE. outlawing guns doesnt stop criminals from getting guns. However, now citizens dont have guns, and criminals do. Criminals now have an easier time at killing law-abiding citizens. Make guns legal, criminals will have a harder time at shooting people as everyone has a gun and would probably take his ass down.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21967225]( I also lived in Texas for 7 years and [b]never[/b] saw someone who wasn't a police officer carrying a firearm in public )[/QUOTE] That's because Open Carry is illegal in Texas unless you are a uniformed security guard, and even printing (the gun bulging) is illegal if you opt to get a CCW License.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;21965660]So we should just get rid of them all together?[/QUOTE] Guns or schools? Either way, you have my support.
[QUOTE=The golden;21974540]If people kill people, why give them guns to assist them?[/QUOTE] Why give them knives or forks or anything, those can kill people hell, even spoons can. A gun is a tool and it's moral use is your own choice. If I had a gun i'd just pop an empty magazine in a few times, just for kicks and for sounds for projects. I'd also shoot it at a range. You know, just cause someone kills someone with something doesn't mean it should be banned. Infact, Hey guys; GTA is a murder simulator and a gun trainer that teaches children to murder. That's basically what you're saying, sure a gun can be used to kill, but that is up to the user. If the person meets all required checks to buy a gun and get a permit to even buy one in the first place than there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun. They're not just "weapons" they're tools, as I said before, I can fucking shank people with forks and knives, but use those as tools right? They're still weapons. [editline]10:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=CAPSLOCKNINJA;21974879]Guns or schools? Either way, you have my support.[/QUOTE] Why would we get rid of schools :downs:
This thread is officially dead
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21975006]This thread is officially dead[/QUOTE] I guess you could say Ho Chi Minh was outgunned. :smug:
Palin: the Fucking northern redneck
Could someone give me a quick run down of this Thread? I would like to take apart in it.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21975017]I guess you could say Ho Chi Minh was outgunned. :smug:[/QUOTE] My avatar.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;21975336]Could someone give me a quick run down of this Thread? I would like to take apart in it.[/QUOTE] Some people want to ban guns/stricter gun control while others oppose it because it only hurts law abiding citizens. Ho Chi Minh comes in and argues for a few pages in favor of banning guns then leaves. 95% of the people wanting stricter gun control or guns banned don't own any guns, have probably never used one, and don't live in the US.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21975540]Some people want to ban guns/stricter gun control while others oppose it because it only hurts law abiding citizens. Ho Chi Minh comes in and argues for a few pages in favor of banning guns then leaves. 95% of the people wanting stricter gun control or guns banned don't own any guns, have probably never used one, and don't live in the US.[/QUOTE] And I finally made comments that people agreed with, don't forget that.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21975649]And I finally made comments that people agreed with, don't forget that.[/QUOTE] A rare moment in FP history. It will probably never happen again.
Come on JDK! Be more supportive!
[QUOTE=Gummylamb;21975960]Come on JDK! Be more supportive![/QUOTE] :saddowns: I just have never seen him informed.
But you gotta bare with him, we all argue on different sides sometimes, but we're still a good community, and we're still all human! :kiddo:
Anyway, you guys in favor of gun control, which one should be banned first? [IMG]http://www.coolclimbing.com/images/guns/military/Saiga-308.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://vernsdidj.com/pictures/guns/saiga_223_converted.jpg[/IMG] Next, Which one should be banned? [IMG]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_5816.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.rogco.biz/images/682_Mini_027.jpg_Dennis_4_Tactical.jpg[/IMG] Lastly, which should be banned? [IMG]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/keltec_SU-16CA.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/SU16-PistolGrip-SideExtendedA.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21974116]oh, fuck, right, I'm a troll sorry everyone, i love guns, i remember, Prefumly, the infallible 13 year old who sleeps with a pistol under is his pillow is here. my cover is blown![/QUOTE] You are (appear to be) trolling (Judging by the fact that all you reply to is bad arguments), and are using huge strawman tactics. Seriously Humanabyss posted his argument three times or so and you couldn't counter it, at least not from what I read. [editline]04:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Broseph_;21976369]Anyway, you guys in favor of gun control, which one should be banned first? [IMG]htg[/IMG] [IMG]http://veconverted.jpg[/IMG] Next, Which one should be banned? [IMG]http:/g[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.rogco.bcal.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Probably the wood ones because they're heavier and could be used as a bludgeoning weapon. Where as the black polymer stocks would just fall apart if used as a club. Considering those are the same guns with different stocks [editline]04:30AM[/editline] Also Trotsky, where I live the police would take about 45 minutes to get here. How would that not justify me owning a handgun? Your main argument here is the fact that we have a police force which can arrive to a suburban/inner city household in 7-10 minutes. I live 45 minutes from a somewhat large city and even if a cop car was going 100 miles an hour down the highway it would still take a minimum of 30 minutes. [editline]04:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Magistrate;21974816]its not hard to understand this no one is going to attempt a shooting spree in a gun show NO ONE. outlawing guns doesnt stop criminals from getting guns. However, now citizens dont have guns, and criminals do. Criminals now have an easier time at killing law-abiding citizens. Make guns legal, criminals will have a harder time at shooting people as everyone has a gun and would probably take his ass down.[/QUOTE] Shut up magistrate if you ban guns they instantly and magically disappear from the face of the earth DUH!!!!
[QUOTE=Broseph_;21976369]Anyway, you guys in favor of gun control, which one should be banned first? [/QUOTE] oh i get it the joke is that each pair is the same gun just tacticool'd out to look "scarier"
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21976506]oh i get it the joke is that each pair is the same gun just tacticool'd out to look "scarier"[/QUOTE] That is basically california gun laws. Ban all scary black guns
thread needs moar guns
Even though I'm anti-gun I can see why it would be impossible to remove the millions of legally and illegally owned guns in America.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21966285]Hey guys you can also kill someone with a golfclub/baseball bat we should just start banning sports 2[/QUOTE] Baseballs and golf clubs aren't designed for killing. Silly. [editline]09:24PM[/editline] I'm not saying the USA should ban guns because I know the government wouldn't be able to make people give up their guns.
So? We in Europe can also life without having a shotgun under the bed
[QUOTE=Flitchaye;21974694]Police will not always be there. There will never be enough police. Also, guns are a nice way of letting the people have an edge over the government in case things go to shit.[/QUOTE] I really don't understand this way of thinking. Should the government ever get that bad they would probably have already used fox like mouthpieces to put the masses into submission. Hell, you could argue they already have to a degree. I mean did you hear any uproar when Bush pulled any of his totalitarian shit?
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