• Palin says Obama would ban guns if he could
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[QUOTE=Broseph_;21976369]Anyway, you guys in favor of gun control, which one should be banned first? [IMG]http://www.coolclimbing.com/images/guns/military/Saiga-308.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://vernsdidj.com/pictures/guns/saiga_223_converted.jpg[/IMG] Next, Which one should be banned? [IMG]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ruger/ruger_5816.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.rogco.biz/images/682_Mini_027.jpg_Dennis_4_Tactical.jpg[/IMG] Lastly, which should be banned? [IMG]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/keltec_SU-16CA.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/SU16-PistolGrip-SideExtendedA.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] You can't get any of those guns anyway unless for a historical collection, gun/target practice club, or military usage. Normal civilians can't buy them for self-defense. Just imagine: Your neighbor buys a high-powered sniper rifle one day for self-defense, and the next day you do something to piss him off. If he wanted to, he could attach a silencer, shoot you, and get rid of you before anyone knew.
And he could easily just shank me in the middle of the night, burn my body and bury it in a ditch. So your gun argument doesn't have much strength, because he can silently kill me with anything, fuck why not ban his arms and hands, he can snap my neck!
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21981134]And he could easily just shank me in the middle of the night, burn my body and bury it in a ditch. So your gun argument doesn't have much strength, because he can silently kill me with anything, fuck why not ban his arms and hands, he can snap my neck![/QUOTE] Argument? I wasn't arguing with either side. He said which of these should we ban, and I told him they already were banned for civilian usage, except for certain conditions.
"Your neighbor buys a high-powered sniper rifle one day for self-defense, and the next day you do something to piss him off. If he wanted to, he could attach a silencer, shoot you, and get rid of you before anyone knew." :rolleye: Sounds like a biased and flawed anti-gun argument to me. No offense
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21981018]You can't get any of those guns anyway unless for a historical collection, gun/target practice club, or military usage. Normal civilians can't buy them for self-defense. Just imagine: Your neighbor buys a high-powered sniper rifle one day for self-defense, and the next day you do something to piss him off. If he wanted to, he could attach a silencer, shoot you, and get rid of you before anyone knew.[/QUOTE] My God. I logged in from my father's office just to say this: I could go out and buy ANY of those guns right now. They're semi-auto. You only think I couldn't get them because they 'look like assault rifles', right? The one thing you mentioned that IS almost impossible to get is a silencer. The one on the top is a Saiga .308 (I'd know it anywhere, it's incredibly awesome) Middle is a Ruger Mini 14, I think Bottom one... looks like a variant of the M1 Carbine. I'm not sure.
I find it amusing that some of the same people who are crying that guns should be banned, are the same ones who agreed in another thread that all drugs should be legalized and that someone committing a violent act as a result of a drug is "irrelevant".
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21976395] [editline]04:32AM[/editline] Shut up magistrate if you ban guns they instantly and magically disappear from the face of the earth DUH!!!![/QUOTE] oh yeah!!! i forgot!
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21981018]Your neighbor buys a high-powered sniper rifle one day for self-defense, and the next day you do something to piss him off. If he wanted to, he could attach a silencer, shoot you, and get rid of you before anyone knew.[/QUOTE] By High Powered Sniper Rifle you mean a regular old .308 with a scope he spray painted Black? Also you realize you can't buy Suppressors, or as you like to put it 'Silencers', without filling out more paperwork with the ATF then you have to for Taxes in this country and pay a $200 Tax Stamp since Suppressors are legally regarded to be the same as a Machine-Gun Meanwhile [QUOTE=Broseph - Breakdown Of United States Gun Laws on the Federal Level]Requirements for Firearms No Felony Convictions 18 For Purchasing Long Arms and Shotguns 21 For Purchasing Pistols Non-Citizens must have a Hunting License issued by a US State and be Living in the State which the Purchase is taking place in for over 90 days before buying a Firearm. Classes for Firearms Automatic* = Machine Gun Post 1986 Automatic* = Dealer Piece Semi-Automatic w/ Stock** = Long arm Semi-Automatic w/o Stock*** = Pistol Semi-Automatic Firing >12.7mm = Destructive Device Pistol w/ Forward Vertical Grip = Any-Other-Weapon**** Smooth-bore Firearm** = Shotgun Shotgun w/o Stock*** = Any Other Weapon as a 'Smooth-bore pistol' Explosives = Destructive Device * Automatic Is Defined as firing more then one round per pull of Trigger ** - Minimal Length of 406.5mm for Rifles/457.2mm for Shotguns or else Reclassified as a Short Barrel Rifle/Shotgun *** - Regardless of Barrel Length Special Taxes for Firearms Pistols, Long Arms and Shotguns are not subject to Taxes. Automatics, Destructive Devices, and Short Barrel Rifles/Shotgun* = $200 Tax Stamp To Transfer Ownership, for Destructive Devices a $200 Tax Stamp Required for each Round of Ammunition if Explosive (I.E. Grenades for a M203 Grenade Launcher) Any Other Weapon* = $5 Tax Stamp To Transfer Ownership, **** Pistols With Forward Vertical Grip (I.E. H&K MP5K) Must have the $200 Tax Stamp Paid if you add the Pistol Grip after the sale Dealer Piece = Can only be Transferred To 'Special Occupational Taxpayers' Dealers, Law Enforcement, Government Agencies (On All Levels), and The Military and must pay a $500 annual Tax ($1000 annual Tax if sales exceed $500,000/yr). * Tax Stamp Does Not Have to be paid if the Firearm is being transferred [Temporarily] to a Gunsmith for Repairs, or if the firearm is being Inherited by a heir after the death of the Owner. All Transfers apart from Temporarily Ones Must Be Approved By The ATF, If it is a Temporarily Transfers, the ATF asks For you to file Documentation on the Transfer to avoid legal issues.[/QUOTE] Also you imply as if it's impossible to get a Suppressor in the United Kingdom when it's simply up to the Local Head of Law Enforcement to sign off for it if you give them a good reason (I.E. Go off on something another about Noise pollution) I've been told by a couple of British Gun Owners this is a pretty simple way of getting them to sign off on the License for it. [editline]09:33AM[/editline] [QUOTE=the_KMM;21982081]Bottom one... looks like a variant of the M1 Carbine.[/QUOTE] M1 Carbine Clearly... [IMG]http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/keltec_SU-16CA.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/WWII_M1_Carbine.jpg/800px-WWII_M1_Carbine.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2911771/images/1225644751859.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21966251]But a person could take a car and run it into a school But a person could take a knife and kill kids in a school (ala china) But a person could illegally obtain a gun and still shoot up a school while law abiding citizens get fucked. Let's just ban everything sounds reasonable[/QUOTE] How about good housefathers who shoot their kids late at night because they thought they were breaking in. They wouldn't get illegal guns to protect their family. They get one because they are easily accessible.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21981018]You can't get any of those guns anyway unless for a historical collection, gun/target practice club, or military usage. Normal civilians can't buy them for self-defense. Just imagine: Your neighbor buys a high-powered sniper rifle one day for self-defense, and the next day you do something to piss him off. If he wanted to, he could attach a silencer, shoot you, and get rid of you before anyone knew.[/QUOTE] You really need to stop posting when you know shit about the topic.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21974882] Why would we get rid of schools :downs:[/QUOTE] M@n im 2 kool 4 skool
[QUOTE=the_KMM;21982081]Bottom one... looks like a variant of the M1 Carbine. I'm not sure.[/QUOTE] it's a Keltec SU-16 [editline]11:22AM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21983399]You really need to stop posting when you know shit about the topic.[/QUOTE] he lives in Britain so I'd imagine he's right for people living there.. but in the US that's not how things work.
[QUOTE=Number-41;21982925]How about good housefathers who shoot their kids late at night because they thought they were breaking in. They wouldn't get illegal guns to protect their family. They get one because they are easily accessible.[/QUOTE] The whole 'homeowner shoots family member he thinks it was a burglar... oops' Incidents are rare as fuck and as stupid of a reason to gun ban than using suicide rates.
Well I would ban guns too if I could.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;21983808]The whole 'homeowner shoots family member he thinks it was a burglar... oops' Incidents are rare as fuck and as stupid of a reason to gun ban than using suicide rates.[/QUOTE] except suicide rates (all forms of suicide) when a handgun is in the home compared to when it's not jump 44%
So? Suicide should be allowed, it's your life
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21984435]So? Suicide should be allowed, it's your life[/QUOTE] is there a death sentence for committing suicide? :v: but seriously, I agree
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21984109]except suicide rates (all forms of suicide) when a handgun is in the home compared to when it's not jump 44%[/QUOTE] Because really, suffocating for a couple of minutes is sure as hell better and more humane then pulling a trigger and losing consciousness within a faction of a second.
In other news people have to stop fucking listening to sarah palin.
Obama is a constitutional professor, he knows that the banning of weapons is wrong which is why he hasn't done it. His administration has already struck down several bans to come out of congress. Palin needs to go away, she was only funny in 2008. The joke is getting old. [editline]05:11PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21984109]except suicide rates (all forms of suicide) when a handgun is in the home compared to when it's not jump 44%[/QUOTE] Because the person is almost guaranteed to die when they shoot themselves, if hanging by the neck were as effective then the suicide rate for ropes would increase just as much.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;21984435]So? Suicide should be allowed, it's your life[/QUOTE] If a guy commits suicide because he can't deal with his life, what position does he put his family into? Although, they can't really restrict you from committing suicide. A corpse can't serve jail time.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;21984744]Because really, suffocating for a couple of minutes is sure as hell better and more humane then pulling a trigger and losing consciousness within a faction of a second.[/QUOTE] You're right, shooting is a lot more painful than suffocating. If I had a gun available to me at the bad times in my life, I'd be dead.
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21995747] If I had a gun available to me at the bad times in my life, I'd be dead.[/QUOTE] poosy
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21995747]You're right, shooting is a lot more painful than suffocating. If I had a gun available to me at the bad times in my life, I'd be dead.[/QUOTE] [img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/negativeman-55f.png[/img]
You guys do realize firearms are not just for shooting people right? I use mine to hunt animals, kill them, then eat them. So technically, it's not a weapon, it's a tool I use to acquire food. :smug:
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21995747]You're right, shooting is a lot more painful than suffocating. If I had a gun available to me at the bad times in my life, I'd be dead.[/QUOTE] protip: don't buy a firearm
Palin says something. She gets a news story. What.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;21983808]The whole 'homeowner shoots family member he thinks it was a burglar... oops' Incidents are rare as fuck and as stupid of a reason to gun ban than using suicide rates.[/QUOTE] The "homeowner deters robbery" stories are just as rare, but the articles about children getting their hands on guns and hurting themselves/others are all too common.
[QUOTE=Rotinaj;21997119]The "homeowner deters robbery" stories are just as rare[/QUOTE] citation needed
[QUOTE=Idi Amin;21991607]Obama is a constitutional professor, he knows that the banning of weapons is wrong which is why he hasn't done it. His administration has already struck down several bans to come out of congress. Palin needs to go away, she was only funny in 2008. The joke is getting old. [editline]05:11PM[/editline] Because the person is almost guaranteed to die when they shoot themselves, if hanging by the neck were as effective then the suicide rate for ropes would increase just as much.[/QUOTE] all forms of suicide
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