tru fax:
1. america is a shithole
2. i feared my neighbor before i bought a ruger mini-14
[QUOTE=Ho Chi Minh;21973702]I love this argument. It's fucking hilariously stupid.
It's so fucking ignorant and vagu- oh wait, perfumely. maybe one day when you get into middle school, you'll understand why murder isn't a good thing, perfumely.[/QUOTE]
hey aren't you that person that got banned for being annoying and trolling? oh yeah, it's trotsky
trotsky
[QUOTE=pognivet;22053553]tru fax:
1. america is a shithole[/quote]
citation needed
[quote]2. i feared my neighbor before i bought a ruger mini-14[/QUOTE]
Good, though a Saiga 12 might have been a nicer choice.
[QUOTE=pognivet;22053927][IMG]http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/12/23/alg_jersey_shore_dell_new.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I'm assuming this means that that point was only made out of jest or sarcasm.
[QUOTE=Jacam12SUX;21964888]Elaborate.[/QUOTE]
Okay. If a law came about saying guns are banned in the US, a country that has about one gun for every two people ([url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/people/features/ihavearightto/four_b/casestudy_art29.shtml]source[/url]), many ripples would happen. You would have the good, law abiding citizens who use gun's for hunting, target shooting, collecting, and self defense turning them in. You would have some not so law abiding citizens holding onto their guns and selling them on the black market that would grow from this law. You would have some other not so law abiding citizens holding onto their guns out of fear of what this new law would bring (Remember for later). Then you would have the gang's and other non-law abiding citizens holding onto their guns because...well, who's going to stop them? You would also have a (bigger) international black market arms trade bringing in high-powered weapons into the US because they are no longer available (and lets face it...people will want them...for whatever reason). That trade combined with everyone in the US who didn't turn their gun over and is looking to sell, would make it easier for criminals looking for a gun that can't be traced back to them. Because of these factors (more criminals with guns, more law abiding citizens without), the criminals would get more ballsy, because there is no longer the fear of them breaking in somewhere and getting shot by the owner. With this increase in illegal activity, the police would begin to get overwhelmed. Bringing out the not so law abiding citizens who kept their guns out of fear for what would happen. They see the police getting overwhelmed and start taking matters into their own hands. And when you have a bunch of angry citizens, armed angry citizens, taking matters into their own hands against armed criminals, it normally doesn't end well.
Basically, if the US wanted to ban all firearms...it's impossible. There's too many out there already. For places like Britain, who didn't embrace firearms like the US did during it's early days, and which has been regulating firearms since 1870 ([url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7056245.stm]again...source for all you people wondering[/url]), it's easier, because there was never that many of them out there to begin with. Where in the US, which again...has 200 MILLION KNOWN (who know's how many unknown) firearms...it's just way too big a task.
EDIT:
Also...theres the whole Second Amendment thing that reads:
[quote=CONSTITUTION]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[/QUOTE]
Pretty clear in it's meaning. With that last part...you know, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed? That part. Oh, and for you people arguing about the militia part in the beginning...militia by definition, is a body of ordinary citizens a country can call upon in times of need.
[QUOTE=aydin690;22056102]Why you americans need guns is beyond me...[/QUOTE]
We act as pretty much the national guard and we also use it for fun and collection.
[QUOTE=aydin690;22056102]Why you americans need guns is beyond me...[/QUOTE]
Hobbies, protection, pretty much that.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;22056126]We act as pretty much the national guard and we also use it for fun and collection.[/QUOTE]
When in the history of the United States (not the colonies) have armed militias defended the country?
[QUOTE=PrismatexV8;22056482]When in the history of the United States (not the colonies) have armed militias defended the country?[/QUOTE]
1. The hundreds of small skirmishes between Britain and the U.S. following it's establishment were fought by Militias.
2. War of 1812. There were 458,463 recorded Militiamen compared to a total of 35,800 regulars.
3. There have been Partisan/Militia training programs in the U.S. during basically ever major war. They're a vital part of our defense infrastructure.
Europeans should understand the importance of Partisans/Militia's just as well as us. There were millions of European partisans during WW2 that suffered throughout the war due to [B]lack of weapons and ammunition.[/B]
[QUOTE=aydin690;22056102]Why you americans need guns is beyond me...[/QUOTE]
Why you british need tea and crumpets is beyond me...
see i can make silly generalizations too.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;22057113]Why you british need tea and crumpets is beyond me...
see i can make silly generalizations too.[/QUOTE]
So, you're telling me that the highest rate of violent crimes in the world is not because of that one trizillion guns that you guys have?
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22049560]~100 million gun owners say otherwise
So guns are racist. I KNEW IT ALL ALONG! Damn those racist inanimate bastards!
Think about what you just said: A criminal is going to either find something that you hid [I]before you do, and you already know where it is,[/I] or he's going to kill you while you're holding [I]him[/I] at gunpoint.
I didn't know guns were multicultural. Elaborate, please.
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So now it makes you a redneck to love your country
nice strawman there
Ever heard of the Texas University shooting? One man with a rifle was able to hold off several cops and kill a good deal of people.
[B]ONE [/B]man.
Guns were never circulated widely there. You cannot make an argument based on Denmark like that.
Source for your claim of all this being 'proven by history' please.
You most obviously know nothing about guns, or any of the statistics or attitudes that surround them.[/QUOTE]
bodybagged
[editline]05:03AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=aydin690;22057183]So, you're telling me that the highest rate of violent crimes in the world is not because of that one trizillion guns that you guys have?[/QUOTE]
Sorry what was your masterplan to get rid of all guns again?
[editline]05:04AM[/editline]
oh wait
[QUOTE=aydin690;22057183]So, you're telling me that the highest rate of violent crimes in the world is not because of that one trizillion guns that you guys have?[/QUOTE]
Probably has something to do with lots of big cities with lots of poor people
Not because we have guns
Also, there are some places in America that are safer than where you live
by far
There are also places in wherever you are that are more dangerous than...Richmond or Compton or something.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;22057231]bodybagged[/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=aydin690;22057183]So, you're telling me that the highest rate of violent crimes in the world is not because of that one trizillion guns that you guys have?[/QUOTE]
Wrong. We're 24 on the list of countries with the most violent crimes per capita.
In terms of ALL crimes(including non-violent), we were the 9th on the list of countries with the most crimes per capita. There are 3 European countries that have more crimes then us per capita. Those being Finland, Denmark and the United Kingdom.
The idea that guns cause our crime is nonsense. If criminals want guns, they're going to get guns regardless of whether or not they're illegal. This is evident in European countries.
[B][I]
Source: Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=aydin690;22057183]So, you're telling me that the highest rate of violent crimes in the world is not because of that one trizillion guns that you guys have?[/QUOTE]
yeah, it couldn't possibly be due to a large number of poor people and gangs/gang violence.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22056550]
Europeans should understand the importance of Partisans/Militia's just as well as us. There were millions of European partisans during WW2 that suffered throughout the war due to [B]lack of weapons and ammunition.[/B][/QUOTE]
The partisans countries had no gun control laws, they were just very poor nations where large sections of society had no use/wish for guns.
[QUOTE=aydin690;22057183]So, you're telling me that the highest rate of violent crimes in the world is not because of that one trizillion guns that you guys have?[/QUOTE]
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about, please stop posting. It will only serve to make you look more of an idiot.
America does not have the highest rate of violent crimes in the world, it's actually quite further down the list.
South Africa has the second highest rate of violent crime in the world. Yet as of 2000, a strict gun control policy was enforced. Guess what? Violent and armed crime has increased since then. 98% of armed crime in SA is committed with [B]illegal, unregistered firearms.[/B]
[QUOTE=JDK721v2;22057453]yeah, it couldn't possibly be due to a large number of poor people and gangs/gang violence.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but those gangs can't really do a drive-by with knives and forks.
[QUOTE=aydin690;22058760]I'm sorry but those gangs can't really do a drive-by with knives and forks.[/QUOTE]
yeah, cause criminals would totally respect the laws and not buy guns if they were illegal.
[QUOTE=the_KMM;22049560]~100 million gun owners say otherwise
So guns are racist. I KNEW IT ALL ALONG! Damn those racist inanimate bastards!
[/quote] no, the reason for the gun law was to protect against wildlife and the wild indians. that some of those things were enhanced truths is another case[quote]
I didn't know guns were multicultural. Elaborate, please.
[/quote] never said so. just remarked, kinda off-topic, how a fixed state religion is wrong for a country as multicultural as america[quote]
So now it makes you a redneck to love your country
nice strawman there
[/quote] no, never said that. read it again. A radical patriot will often be a redneck. it's a cultural thing, along with the "get off my lawn Betty-Lou" and "SHE'S NOT A CHRISTIAAAAAN!!!" "i won't vote for obama because his name is Hussein"<-- that's a direct quote![quote]
Source for your claim of all this being 'proven by history' please.
[/quote] every time stubborn people have been faced with proven facts that contradict their "knowledge" they turn hostile. in these modern ages we often see, thanks to the media, people throwing a child tantrum when people argue against them and they don't have fitting proof. you'll say that i'm a case in point, i'll say that it's mostly religious groups that spark this. that's not due to stupidity as much as it's due to a strong mind and firm belief in their ways.[quote]
You most obviously know nothing about guns, or any of the statistics or attitudes that surround them.[/QUOTE]
all i know is that it seems that America is bathed in paranoia, otherwise they'd find it easier to imagine a gun-free country. with everyone able to use force that is hard to counter with your bare hands, everyone will be somewhat insecure about their neighboors. it is not a big difference, but it's easier to trust a man that doesn't have the means to kill you if you take a wrong step, law and prison or no.
[QUOTE=aydin690;22058760]I'm sorry but those gangs can't really do a drive-by with knives and forks.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, another nugget of your genius. Please educate us more on this, and how removing legal firearms stops the gangs from acquiring illegal firearms.
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22059292]yeah, cause criminals would totally respect the laws and not buy guns if they were illegal.[/QUOTE]
If NOBODY other than the military has guns, then it would eventually become harder and harder for them to get their hands on some guns.
[QUOTE=aydin690;22059338]If NOBODY other than the military has guns, then it would eventually become harder and harder for them to get their hands on some guns.[/QUOTE]
And people cannot get say, marijuana or heroin today?
[QUOTE=davidofmk771;22059355]And people cannot get say, marijuana or heroin today?[/QUOTE]
You can plant them in your fuckin backyard. Let's see you build an automatic gun in your garage...
[QUOTE=aydin690;22059338]If NOBODY other than the military has guns, then it would eventually become harder and harder for them to get their hands on some guns.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha.
Keep it up, you're pretty much cemented as an idiot now.
[editline]09:43AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bomimo;22059324] A radical patriot will often be a redneck. it's a cultural thing, along with the "get off my lawn Betty-Lou" and "SHE'S NOT A CHRISTIAAAAAN!!!"
[/QUOTE]
Congratulations for stereotyping a group of people.
Let me guess, you also think all Afican American's walk around calling each other "nigga" and wear clothing related to the rap industry?
[QUOTE=Bomimo;22059324]no, the reason for the gun law was to protect against wildlife and the wild indians. that some of those things were enhanced truths is another case[/QUOTE]
...no. You are truly unlearned in the matter of American history. Did you ever stop to think that [I]maybe[/I], just [I]maybe[/I], we didn't like the idea of another country attempting to invade us again?
It worked damn well, too. During WW2, Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Japanese Navy, said:
[B]"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."[/B]
[quote]never said so. just remarked, kinda off-topic, how a fixed state religion is wrong for a country as multicultural as america[/quote]How did guns become the object of a state religion?
You just pulled that out of your ass, boy.
[quote]no, never said that. read it again. A radical patriot will often be a redneck. it's a cultural thing, along with the "get off my lawn Betty-Lou" and "SHE'S NOT A CHRISTIAAAAAN!!!" "i won't vote for obama because his name is Hussein"<-- that's a direct quote![/quote]First off, I like how you use stereotypes. [IMG]http://02d9656.netsoljsp.com/SarcMark/images/graphics/rk.png[/IMG]
Second, I don't even know what the whole 'Betty-Lou' thing you're referring to is about.
Third, you got the "NOT A CHRISTIAN" thing from a TV show. You know that realistically, there are very few people like that.
Fourth, there's alot of negative connotations with the name 'Hussein'. Saddam Hussein killed several hundred thousand, possibly a few million of, his own people. Using biological weapons. For oil.
[quote]every time stubborn people have been faced with proven facts that contradict their "knowledge" they turn hostile. in these modern ages we often see, thanks to the media, people throwing a child tantrum when people argue against them and they don't have fitting proof. you'll say that i'm a case in point, i'll say that it's mostly religious groups that spark this. that's not due to stupidity as much as it's due to a strong mind and firm belief in their ways.[/quote]I don't want an excuse as to why you won't give me proof. I want proof. Just give me a credible source that can confirm what you were saying.
[quote]all i know is that it seems that America is bathed in paranoia, otherwise they'd find it easier to imagine a gun-free country. with everyone able to use force that is hard to counter with your bare hands, everyone will be somewhat insecure about their neighbors. it is not a big difference, but it's easier to trust a man that doesn't have the means to kill you if you take a wrong step, law and prison or no.[/quote]I have several neighbors who own guns. Even those that I've had some kind of quarrel with, I have no 'insecurity' about.
Why? Because first, I own my own guns. Lots of them. And several thousand rounds of ammo. Second, there's pretty much nobody who's going to shoot you over a petty dispute.
And you didn't answer to everything in my post.
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