[QUOTE=evilweazel;21964985]Guns are good.[/QUOTE]
For protection yes. But for killing no
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21967315]You have never heard of the firearms acts in america have you?
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[*]Anyone who has been [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conviction"]convicted[/URL] in a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_courts"]federal court[/URL] of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony"]a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year[/URL], excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
[*]Anyone who has been convicted in a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_court"]state court[/URL] of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding two years, excluding crimes of imprisonment that are related to the regulation of business practices.
[*]Anyone who is a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugitive"]fugitive[/URL] from justice.
[B][*]Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_substance"]controlled substance[/URL].
[/B][*]Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution.
[*]Any [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_alien"]alien[/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States"]illegally or unlawfully in the United States[/URL] or an alien admitted to the United States under a non-immigrant [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_%28document%29"]visa[/URL]. Aliens who have a tourist visa or student visa may possess guns if they have a current, valid hunting license.
[*]Anyone who has been [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_discharge#Dishonorable"]discharged under dishonorable conditions[/URL] from the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_armed_forces"]United States armed forces[/URL].
[*]Anyone who, having been a citizen of the United States, has [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renunciation_of_citizenship"]renounced his or her citizenship[/URL].
[*]Anyone that is subject to a court order that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restraining_order"]restrains[/URL] the person from harassing, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking"]stalking[/URL], or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner. (added 1996)
[*]Anyone who has been convicted of a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misdemeanor"]misdemeanor[/URL] crime of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence"]domestic violence[/URL] (added in 1996 by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban"]Domestic Violence Offender Gun Ban[/URL], or "Lautenberg Amendment.")
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oh whoopie.[/QUOTE]
:saddowns:
[QUOTE=TheSpy;21967386]For protection yes. But for killing no[/QUOTE]
Wat
[QUOTE=TheSpy;21967386]For protection yes. But for killing no[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, those come hand in hand.
Although, the benefits outweigh the negatives.
Oh just shut up Palin. Go back to Alaska, no one here likes you.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;21967434]Oh just shut up Palin. Go back to Alaska, no one here likes you.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1[/url]
Whoever wants an AW ban wants to ban all guns.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;21967206]Actually I don't think it needs to be a sudden confiscation of all guns at once.
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But that's someone else's problem again[/QUOTE]
You live in Finland so I don't think you quite understand how important the Second Amendment is to us.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21967469]You live in Finland so I don't think you quite understand how important the Second Amendment is to us.[/QUOTE]
It would be like if we were arguing about healthcare in Finland. It's silly.
[QUOTE=JDK721;21967469]You live in Finland so I don't think you quite understand how important the Second Amendment is to us.[/QUOTE]
It would be like banning viking helmets and axes in Finland.
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[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21967486]It would be like if we were arguing about healthcare in Finland. It's silly.[/QUOTE]
My analogy is better
Guns, the US of A silliest hobby, as if regular people really needed all that arsenal. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Sirias;21967508]Guns, the US of A silliest hobby, as if regular people really needed all that arsenal. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
Yet we all have the right to have that hobby.
Guns are fucking fun, and banning them just makes it harder for the people who defend themselves against gun wielding criminals. Besides, banning the sale of guns would only prevent the murderous individuals from getting them, most gangs get their guns overseas illegally.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21965026][QUOTE=Kagrenak;21964960]Didn't he re-allow guns in National Parks and on Amtrak trains? As far as I know, those are the only things gun-related he's done, and they're pro-gun.
Correct me if I'm wrong about that.[/QUOTE]
nope, you're right
the right-wing's beliefs about Obama's supposed anti-gun stance are totally unfounded[/QUOTE]
Clearly that's just to lull them into a false sense of protection
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;21967434]Oh just shut up Palin. Go back to Alaska, no one here likes you.[/QUOTE]
I think she should move to russia and make beautiful manchildren with putin.
I am a conservative with liberal views and I hate both parties right now, republicans say they dislike gays to get more voters, liberals say they like them to get more voters, it's all about an endless circle jerking to gain power on both sides while the citizens in the middle get screwed, or maybe I am just too snugly putting on my tinfoil hat.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21967315]You have never heard of the firearms acts in america have you?
oh whoopie.[/QUOTE]
What's your point? Any average joe can still walk in and get a gun.
[QUOTE=Sirias;21967508]as if regular people really needed all that arsenal. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
You don't need to collect action figures
you don't need to play a sport
you don't need to paint
You don't need to have friends
[QUOTE=Heroms;21967585]What's your point? Any average joe can still walk in and get a gun.[/QUOTE]
After a background check yes. You have no idea how a gun purchase works do you?
[QUOTE=Heroms;21967585]What's your point? Any average joe can still walk in and get a gun.[/QUOTE]
and...?
What is your argument here
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21967590]You don't need to collect action figures
you don't need to play a sport
you don't need to paint
You don't need to have friends[/QUOTE]
You can't casually walk in and kill someone with a sport, paint or friends.
Yes you can use some club to beat someone down, but that is substantially harder and requires a whole different mental state to actually go through with it. With a gun it can be a spur of the moment thing, all you need to do is pull a trigger.
[QUOTE=zombiefreak;21967619]After a background check yes. You have no idea how a gun purchase works do you?[/QUOTE]
Go to store, background is clean, buy gun, shoot someone.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21967622]and...?
What is your argument here[/QUOTE]
That is shouldn't work like that? The average person has no reason whatsoever to own a gun. If you're a hunter, police officer or the like that's fine, no problem with that, it's your job, but no one else needs a gun.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21965552]But a person can take one of these guns and shoot up a school.[/QUOTE]
A person can take a sword and cut up a school.
[QUOTE=Sirias;21967508]Guns, the US of A silliest hobby, as if regular people really needed all that arsenal. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
You don't need cars either.
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[QUOTE=Heroms;21967626]You can't casually walk in and kill someone with a sport, paint or friends.
Yes you can use some club to beat someone down, but that is substantially harder and requires a whole different mental state to actually go through with it. With a gun it can be a spur of the moment thing, all you need to do is pull a trigger.[/QUOTE]
Not really. If you're not a murderer, you hesitate on pulling on the trigger.
[QUOTE=Heroms;21967626]You can't casually walk in and kill someone with a sport, paint or friends.
Yes you can use some club to beat someone down, but that is substantially harder and requires a whole different mental state to actually go through with it. With a gun it can be a spur of the moment thing, all you need to do is pull a trigger.[/QUOTE]
Ok like I told the last guy.
Tell me if you have a way to ban guns in the US that is logistically possible and I might find a way to take your arguments seriously
[QUOTE=Heroms;21967626]You can't casually walk in and kill someone with a sport, paint or friends.
Yes you can use some club to beat someone down, but that is substantially harder and requires a whole different mental state to actually go through with it. With a gun it can be a spur of the moment thing, all you need to do is pull a trigger.[/QUOTE]
Also a knife can do the same thing. Just quieter and a lot less noticeable.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21967657]Ok like I told the last guy.
Tell me if you have a way to ban guns in the US that is logistically possible and I might find a way to take your arguments seriously[/QUOTE]
I don't know, do I look like a government official or something? I'm just saying if it's possible we should make it happen, people don't need guns.
I'm in Canada by the way.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21965026]nope, you're right
the right-wing's beliefs about Obama's supposed anti-gun stance are totally unfounded[/QUOTE]
Um
he voted for anti-firearm measures 95% of the time they came up in Congress
[url]http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm[/url]
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[QUOTE=Perfumly;21967225]Okay, so you live in Finland. Have most likely never been to the US and probably have some weird dream of it being a gun danger zone. When in actuality, despite what statistics would probaly make someone think, in my life I have only seen one or two people open carrying a firearm in public, and I have never ever witnessed a guncrime. In the 9 years that I have lived here I have only heard or maybe one or two gun crimes. That's including the three towns in the area, not just a small town. ( I also lived in Texas for 7 years and [B]never[/B] saw someone who wasn't a police officer carrying a firearm in public )
However, crazy redneck militias who hate the big bad guvment do exist, and a small uprising would be extremely lucky if that's all that happened. A lot of innocent would die due to the banning of guns and criminals would still have firearms. There would be the biggest firearm blackmarket in history in the US most likely.
Not to mention, there is literally no effective way you could go about banning firearms in the US.[/QUOTE]
This.
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[QUOTE=Cypher_09;21965253]I still think she would make a good president.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to see Rick Santorum run for that office, but she'd make a good VP
I wouldn't mind her for president though
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[QUOTE=radioactive;21965552]But a person can take one of these guns and shoot up a school.[/QUOTE]
Or stop the shooter by shooting him
gun-free zones are stupid ideas
[QUOTE=Perfumly;21967590]You don't need to collect action figures
you don't need to play a sport
you don't need to paint
You don't need to have friends[/QUOTE] i've yet to see someone murder someone else with action figures, And as sported, if a 14 year old kid comes to school wielding a knife or a golf club, at worst 2-3 teachers will jump on him and restrain him, although if a troubled kid from a gunfreak family choose to buy a military grade firearm for a "quick" trip to school...
[QUOTE=Heroms;21967691]I don't know, do I look like a government official or something? I'm just saying if it's possible we should make it happen, people don't need guns.
I'm in Canada by the way.[/QUOTE]
notice how all the people in countries better than yours are against guns and learn something
(though quoting Heroms, not directed to him)
[QUOTE=Sirias;21967727]i've yet to see someone murder someone else with action figures, And as sported, if a 14 year old kid comes to school wielding a knife or a golf club, at worst 2-3 teachers will jump on him and restrain him, although if a troubled kid from a gunfreak family choose to buy a [B]military grade firearm [/B]for a "quick" trip to school...[/QUOTE]
You're loosin me bud.
NFA restricted items cost more than a car, and are extremely hard to get.
[QUOTE=Heroms;21967691]I don't know, do I look like a government official or something? I'm just saying if it's possible we should make it happen, people don't need guns.
I'm in Canada by the way.[/QUOTE]
People don't need a lot of things. That's NOT the point though. The right to bear arms is guaranteed by the fucking second amendment. That means anyone who wants a gun may have one as long as they have no legal disqualifications. No ifs or buts. That's how it works here.
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