Leslie Jones (Ghostbusters actress) leaves Twitter after trolls continue to harass her vigorously
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[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745927]A minority that has been subjugated, persecuted, enslaved, etc for the color of their skin by a majority in a country. [/QUOTE]
No.
By a select few individuals hundreds of years ago.
My ancestors were likely poor german immigrants, i had fucking nothing to do with it even in my bloodline (cool caste system btw), so dont you dare blame me for any of that just because of my skin.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745927]18 percent of the country with a historical context of being put down just called me a "White boy" despite me not even being put down for being said race in any meaningful way in the history of this nation. [/QUOTE]
I doubt any of them have experienced the oppression that people like Rosa Parks or Martin Luther King fought against. Have they experienced a dumbfuck calling them a nigger once in a while? Maybe, yeah. Thats not even remotely comparable to being forcefully segregated into different schools and using different water fountaints, and its a completely different world compared to being owned like an object.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745927]I'm not even fucking arguing with you man children anymore. You guys are literally either toxic or stupid. Probably both[/QUOTE]
Says the man justifying racism.
[editline]dirty whiteboy[/editline]
So by your logic, should it be alright to walk up to a Japanese man while in Japan and call him a dirty gook and be completely fine because he's part of the racial majority, and Japan had subjugated and committed horrible acts in the past?
Go to the Middle East, call everyone you see a terrorist? Its alright, you're the minority there, and there used to be a grand empire that ruled the region long ago.
No, it doesnt apply, does it, because you think only white people deserve it, dont you?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745927]
I'm not even fucking arguing with you man children anymore. You guys are literally either toxic or stupid. Probably both[/QUOTE]
[quote]Do you seriously expect me to explain my reasoning????[/quote]
You're literally a racist apologist. Know that.
Hatred is hatred and racism is racism. There's no more or less to it than that.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745927]A minority that has been subjugated, persecuted, enslaved, etc for the color of their skin by a majority in a country.
18 percent of the country with a historical context of being put down just called me a "White boy" despite me not even being put down for being said race in any meaningful way in the history of this nation.
I'm not even fucking arguing with you man children anymore. You guys are literally either toxic or stupid. Probably both[/QUOTE]
Ok so lets go with framing it as "Not racism" despite it actually being just that.
It's still discrimination and it's still detrimental. People like you seem to fight for "equal rights" but are totally ok with racism/discrimination/whatever you want to frame it as, it's still a problem and no better than any other kind of discrimination.
Equal rights means building bridges and putting people on the same level as each other. Discrimination divides communities and society overall no matter who's doing it.
[QUOTE=Judas;50745857]do you keep receipts on every SH poster incase they fuck with you[/QUOTE]
Wow, clever.. You really got him there. After all, it's impossible for somebody to remember a poster who consistently makes terrible threads with laughable sources and participates in obnoxious social justice arguments, right?
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745879]No you go "fuck"
You're fatal flaw is you're too dense to understand people. That's it
You're too morose to actually pay a damn lick of fucking sense to were people are coming from as a group and you end up saying this stupid offensive shit.
Given minority history in America and the fact that Blacks specifically are 18 percent of the country as opposed to a 60 percent white majority. Why the fuck do you care?
Does getting called a cracker somehow reinforce or remind you of any systematic racism attributed to Caucasian people as a whole.
You're a goddamn baby grasping at straws to be fucking offended about.[/QUOTE]
You're the baby here.
You're so busy crying, whining, complaining, that you would rather white people be slaves to black people.
I bet in your mind that would be the perfect fucking world wouldn't it.
LOL.
Those who scream "RASICT" are the fucking racists themselves.
People like you don't want equality, you want revenge. You want to rub shit in people's faces while ignoring the heinous shit that you, yourself do.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50745927]A minority that has been subjugated, persecuted, enslaved, etc for the color of their skin by a majority in a country.
18 percent of the country with a historical context of being put down just called me a "White boy" despite me not even being put down for being said race in any meaningful way in the history of this nation.
I'm not even fucking arguing with you man children anymore. You guys are literally either toxic or stupid. Probably both[/QUOTE]
Let's see, you're arguing that minorities don't need to take any personal responsibility for their own racism and prejudice while calling people names for disagreeing with you, and they're explaining to you the definition of racism.. Hm, if I had to pick one party to call toxic..
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;50745950]I like how you call us man children and then immediately call us toxic in the next sentence
What about white people that live in neighborhoods and schools where white people are the minority, and they're bullied for being white, [b]should they just shrug it off because their ancestors weren't slaves hundreds of years before they were born?[/b][/QUOTE]
the funny thing is white people have been slaves in history before, and all races face issues of forced trafficking in the modern day, just on a smaller scale than the historical ones, since it's pretty much universally abhorrent and is hidden behind closed doors, crime, and shitty countries
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50746090]the funny thing is white people have been slaves in history before, and all races face issues of forced trafficking in the modern day, just on a smaller scale than the historical ones, since it's pretty much universally abhorrent and is hidden behind closed doors, crime, and shitty countries[/QUOTE]
Furthermore, I'm not going to take somebodies shit who tries to put me down for being white because "IN THE PAST YOU OWNED US"
Like what? No I fucking didn't. I'm from german descent, Immigrants who were displaced to Hungary at the beginning of this century and moved to canada in the middle of it.
Thats my problem. You lot are too busy playing the victim that you don't even know who to point your goddamn fingers at.
[QUOTE=Judas;50745857]do you keep receipts on every SH poster incase they fuck with you[/QUOTE]
I think if I saw someone legitimately post
"this is what sexist games are doing to boy's brains"
and
"My dick is just hard from the irony of a 2A gun advocate killing the people they want to defend from the spooky gun-grabbing Demorats."
I'd be so dumbfounded that it'd be hard to forget them, especially that last one.
That's the kind of thing people used to buy titles for people over
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[QUOTE=AaronM202;50745964]
So by your logic, should it be alright to walk up to a Japanese man while in Japan and call him a dirty gook and be completely fine because he's part of the racial majority, and Japan had subjugated and committed horrible acts in the past?
Go to the Middle East, call everyone you see a terrorist? Its alright, you're the minority there, and there used to be a grand empire that ruled the region long ago.
No, it doesnt apply, does it, because you think only white people deserve it, dont you?[/QUOTE]
or go into Germany as a Jew and bring up the holocaust and get fucking arrested lol
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50746155]
"My dick is just hard from the irony of a 2A gun advocate killing the people they want to defend from the spooky gun-grabbing Demorats."
[/QUOTE]
I actually saw this post a while back and seeing that name instantly reminded me of it.
Shame we can't buy titles anymore.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50746106]Furthermore, I'm not going to take somebodies shit who tries to put me down for being white because "IN THE PAST YOU OWNED US"
Like what? No I fucking didn't. I'm from german descent, Immigrants who were displaced to Hungary at the beginning of this century and moved to canada in the middle of it.
Thats my problem. You lot are too busy playing the victim that you don't even know who to point your goddamn fingers at.[/QUOTE]
you don't understand, the concept of white people owned the concept of black people because america had white slave owners with black slaves, and american history is the only history that matters
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50746185]you don't understand, the concept of white people owned the concept of black people because america had white slave owners with black slaves, and american history is the only history that matters[/QUOTE]
Dont forget, every white person in the world is american who's ancestors were american and every white person on the planet owned slaves.
Dozens of them.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50746185]you don't understand, the concept of white people owned the concept of black people because america had white slave owners with black slaves, and american history is the only history that matters[/QUOTE]
Yeah idk why but our schools focus heavily on the black slavery, and Indian genocides, seemingly more than any other subject, and in very early grades. They're important for sure but there's more of it than other stuff that's also important, and it skims a few details like how there were actually free black men that owned other black people
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States#Black_slaveholders[/url]
it's just as important and I feel like the schools I experienced (and based on people like what we're mocking, probably did too) focused more on the white vs black aspect and not enough on how it's abhorrent regardless of who's on which end of the whip. Slavery was racist for sure, but there were free former slaves who took up slaveholding themselves, and its just as terrible as a white farmer bidding on other humans.
I also think its stupid when they try to instill guilt for this history, when the point of showing the history was not to make you "feel bad" because the place you were born used to do bad things, but to show you how and why these bad things happened and why they're bad so you fully appreciate why you shouldn't allow it to happen again. To me history has been important because it's notes on mistakes made. You should dwell on them as teachings and not as guilt. Humans aren't a hivemind, you don't inherit ideas genetically.
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50746210]Dont forget, every white person in the world is american who's ancestors were american and every white person on the planet owned slaves.
Dozens of them.[/QUOTE]
I also noticed that they say Americans are to blame for the European immigrants that did all the stuff to the Indians for some reason, even though it was before not only the founding but the independence
i did not choose to be white, and to hate me or blame me for things my ancestors may have (didn't actually since i come from 2nd generation immigrants) done will only continue a cycle of hatred and lead to no resolution.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50746243]i did not choose to be white, and to hate me or blame me for things my ancestors may have (didn't actually since i come from 2nd generation immigrants) done will only continue a cycle of hatred and lead to no resolution.[/QUOTE]
how about you stop crying and stop being mediocre in general like the rest of your people
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50746227]Yeah idk why but our schools focus heavily on the black slavery, and Indian genocides, seemingly more than any other subject, and in very early grades. They're important for sure but there's more of it than other stuff that's also important, and it skims a few details like how there were actually free black men that owned other black people
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States#Black_slaveholders[/url]
it's just as important and I feel like the schools I experienced (and based on people like what we're mocking, probably did too) focused more on the white vs black aspect and not enough on how it's abhorrent regardless of who's on which end of the whip. Slavery was racist for sure, but there were free former slaves who took up slaveholding themselves, and its just as terrible as a white farmer bidding on other humans.
I also think its stupid when they try to instill guilt for this history, when the point of showing the history was not to make you "feel bad" because the place you were born used to do bad things, but to show you how and why these bad things happened and why they're bad so you fully appreciate why you shouldn't allow it to happen again. To me history has been important because it's notes on mistakes made. You should dwell on them as teachings and not as guilt. Humans aren't a hivemind, you don't inherit ideas genetically.
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
I also noticed that they say Americans are to blame for the European immigrants that did all the stuff to the Indians for some reason, even though it was before not only the founding but the independence[/QUOTE]
do you know what a house nigger is
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[QUOTE=Duchess;50746317]how about you stop crying and stop being mediocre in general like the rest of your people
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How about you stop being a racist
How dare you generalize a whole group of people like that? What do you even mean by "mediocre"? How is being white "a people"? Stop with this tribalism shit already.
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do you know what a house nigger is[/QUOTE]
How is that relevant?
[QUOTE=Duchess;50746317]how about you stop crying and stop being mediocre in general like the rest of your people[/QUOTE]
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were being sarcastic but
[QUOTE=Duchess;48383743]your white is showing
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[QUOTE=Duchess;50746317]do you know what a house nigger is[/QUOTE]
I guess not but googling it it appears to just be a rude way of distinguishing a black slave that works in butlery instead of fields, what's the relevance?
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50746451]I guess not but googling it it appears to just be a rude way of distinguishing a black slave that works in butlery instead of fields, what's the relevance?[/QUOTE]
Pretty much an insult to any black person that other black people see as "trying to be white", which gets insanely vague to the point where one could be someone holding a steady job, or having white friends.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;50745137]Really, dude?[/QUOTE]
It IS victim blaming. It's blaming the victim for not shutting of the screen and going away.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50746648]It IS victim blaming. It's blaming the victim for not shutting of the screen and going away.[/QUOTE]
You can only control your own actions. You cannot control other people. Yes they are in the wrong for doing the actions that caused her to feel distressed. No, they're not responsible for her reactions. She is.
Based on this reasoning, I find the concept of victim blaming in this context to be weak at best. Due to the fact if she had just walked away, the trolls would have nothing to react upon and make the situation worse. Yeah she shouldn't be in that position but life isn't as nice as wish it was and sometimes the choices left to us aren't what we feel entitled to. Her choice shouldn't have been to walk away or be trolled but what should we do to solve that besides take away the free will of those trolls? You can't just make bad choices go away, it's part of life.
I feel like this thread has run its course, it's just attracting trolls now.
[QUOTE=BelatedGamer;50746748]I feel like this thread has run its course, it's just attracting trolls now.[/QUOTE]
Who.
Where.
[QUOTE=Duchess;50746317]how about you stop crying and stop being mediocre in general like the rest of your people
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
do you know what a house nigger is[/QUOTE]
In answer to your question, Aaron.
[QUOTE=Duchess;50746317]how about you stop crying and stop being mediocre in general like the rest of your people[/QUOTE]
i will try to stop being untermensch
[QUOTE=Butthurter;50746804]do you really expect someone whose not on the internet 24/7 to understand how to handle trolls?
even from your own experience, you made a thread dedicated to some guy who was harassing you too
everyones got their own breaking point, you of all people should understand that[/QUOTE]
five months of stalking is a lot different than name calling in a single night
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
She got off twitter and hasn't been trolled since. It worked. She was on tv today saying she wants to whoop Justin Bieber and Kanye West, ignoring the incident. She's literally doing what the people suggested, albeit very late to listening to that advice.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50746685]You can only control your own actions. You cannot control other people. Yes they are in the wrong for doing the actions that caused her to feel distressed. No, they're not responsible for her reactions. She is.
Based on this reasoning, I find the concept of victim blaming in this context to be weak at best. Due to the fact if she had just walked away, the trolls would have nothing to react upon and make the situation worse. Yeah she shouldn't be in that position but life isn't as nice as wish it was and sometimes the choices left to us aren't what we feel entitled to. Her choice shouldn't have been to walk away or be trolled but what should we do to solve that besides take away the free will of those trolls? You can't just make bad choices go away, it's part of life.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't change the fact that it still is victim blaming. Of course anyone could just walk away, it doesn't change the fact that you're faulting them for this entire thing happening by not doing so.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50747216]That doesn't change the fact that it still is victim blaming. Of course anyone could just walk away, it doesn't change the fact that you're faulting them for this entire thing happening by not doing so.[/QUOTE]
To be fair its hard to defend retweeting hamster porn.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50747216]That doesn't change the fact that it still is victim blaming. Of course anyone could just walk away, it doesn't change the fact that you're faulting them for this entire thing happening by not doing so.[/QUOTE]
But I'm not if you'd do me the basic decency of reading my post before replying to me.
You have a [B]very[/B] black and white view on this issue and it's making it hard to discuss it at all. You didn't reply to anything I said, so how can we even really discuss this until you do?
So far there has been no discussion on this subject. Anyone on "Your" side of the argument seems to say "No this is how it is" and refuses to communicate beyond that.
It is not victim blaming just because you say so, and if you're certain it is, and you have strong reasoning for this, shouldn't you be able to communicate WHY that is rather than just insist that it is?
[editline]20th July 2016[/editline]
At no point do I say this is in anyway shape or form her fault, so please, stop insisting I do, or have a real discussion about it.
I always saw that tyler the creator post as a joke until around 1 year ago when I learned that people actually take it seriously, it's such a dumb concept. Any idiot who asks for "sauce" doesn't know this but there's a service called google that lets you find someone else's accounts on other sites, there's even a site that I won't name I signed up to so I could delete myself from it that will not only find someone across dozens of websites but will also find their location if they ever mentioned it anywhere.
Can't believe I'm aligned against people who usually have sound judgement because cyber bullying is a problem, is bannable on facepunch to the point where even flaming is banned, and ganerumo even was subjected to it across communities despite not knowing the user that bullied him.
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