Leslie Jones (Ghostbusters actress) leaves Twitter after trolls continue to harass her vigorously
363 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Ardosos;50737588]I don't think I can blame her for using the "you're just sexist" defense, no doubt it works very well in real life and she doesn't know any better why it doesn't work on the internet.[/QUOTE]
I really hope no one pulls that bullshit on me, it'd piss me the fuck off
"you're just doing X because you're racist"
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737408]tbh give her a fucking break obviously that she's having a breakdown. if she starts wishing harm on men then you might have a point.[/QUOTE]
If i kick a wasp nest and run away going "help i'm being attacked!", nobody's going to have sympathy for me, let alone if i go "i was protecting everyone by killing the wasps!" and play the i'm a hero card despite the fact that it makes zero sense and only makes the wasp problem worse.
She lashes out at people based off of ridiculous, ever more childish identity politics, gets vindictive when people call her out for saying dumb shit, and then goes into a meltdown when people make fun of her for being an idiot.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737423]She should've ignored it but I don't think it's fair to criticise her for that considering that she's new to fame. When it comes to internet she, she's between the stages of "Regular Human Being" and "Celebrity Who Just Doesn't Give A Shit"[/QUOTE]
And this is why. Where's the personal responsibility anymore? It should be up to her to say "yeah ok i'm sorry, i acted like a shmuck, won't happen again", and not for the entire internet to rush around her like secret service to say "no she doesn't know what she's doing! she's young and arrogant and should therefore be protected against consequences of her actions!". How else could she be expected to learn? Do you think maturity is just this big audible ka-chunk sound at about 30-40 years old where suddenly you become a middle aged rational adult full of life experience and frugal personality?
She should be treated no better and no worse than anyone else. If someone's talking ridiculous shit to me, i'm going to confront them. She's talking ridiculous shit to the entire internet, and then looks baffled and plays the strong independent womyn immune to criticism card when it blows up in her face and people call her on it. It makes no sense to defend her or anyone else acting like this
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737583]No one saying this is real harassment (ie physical harassment), who the hell is comparing this to real/actual harassment so I can point and laugh?[/QUOTE]
There were various instances throughout the thread but have a random one [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1527393&p=50737089&viewfull=1#post50737089[/url]
Actually yeah control f harassment first page there's at least 3 people
-I was WRONG!-
Didn't though lol, that was what I replied to. I'm sure a mod can verify if you're so certain, you even responded saying that it's not primigenes
Edit:
He even said Daniel smith, why are you doing this
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737617]Original post:
New post:
Changed it right after I and another dude pointed out our confusion.[/QUOTE]
I didn't notice that but if you [B]really [/B]want to confirm it you can ask a mod to check
it doesn't really matter that much though
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737614]Actually yeah control f harassment first page there's at least 3 people[/QUOTE]
First Harrassment result:
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;50737039]I don't think she deserves this level of harassment, but I have to admit her falling for blatantly faked images of people "posting under her account" is pretty funny.[/QUOTE]
Says "This level of harassment", user is not comparing this to real harassment.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737255]"Real" cyber bullying is just harassment period. Getting called a fag on a YouTube comment isn't applicable like getting doxxed and hunted is, typically can happen on anything[/QUOTE]
You complaining about something
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;50737268]Because "real life cyberbullying" is simply harassment/stalking, and it has severe consequences. Like someone you know from school "real life cyberbullying" you.[/QUOTE]
Post saying that harassment like this isn't like irl harassment.
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[QUOTE=J!NX;50737625]I didn't notice that but if you [B]really [/B]want to confirm it you can ask a mod to check
it doesn't really matter that much though[/QUOTE]
It doesn't and really the whole point of the post is to prove that he's a hypocrite when he says shit like "no reading comprehension"
Which really there is proof off because he's using "but when I ctrl f people talk about harassment!" without bothering to read.
Unless I have Alzheimer's and sometimes I wonder I'm next to 100% sure I didn't change anything
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737628]First Harrassment result:
Says "This level of harassment", user is not comparing this to real harassment.
You complaining about something
Post saying that harassment like this isn't like irl harassment.
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It doesn't and really the whole point of the post is to prove that he's a hypocrite when he says shit like "no reading comprehension"
Which really there is proof off because he's using "but when I ctrl f people talk about harassment!" without bothering to read.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;50737039]I don't think she deserves this level of [b]harassment[/b], but I have to admit her falling for blatantly faked images of people "posting under her account" is pretty funny.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;50737089]I feel bad for her. No one deserves to be [b]harassed[/b] because of filming one movie. While I agree that re-tweeting these posts was a bad idea, she is only human and we've all at some point or another have made the mistake of responding to trolls.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50737156]I find it interesting how they chose to [b]harass[/b] the black one out of the other three.[/QUOTE]
So are you gonna keep lying for no reason?
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
I suppose you literally put the full word harassment but I usually put in the first 3-4 letters until results show up so my bad I guess but that shows I read it
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737634]So are you gonna keep lying for no reason?[/QUOTE]
This is harassment, whether you like it are not. By the legal definition, no it is not harassment.
I don't get how people can dedicate so much time and effort to something like this. I mean I don't know anything about this woman except that she is in one of the worst movies ever made but even if I hated her for some reason I wouldn't spend my time harassing her, I would just ignore her. These people are just sad and terrible.
Oh actually nvm I don't think he changed the quote. Reason for my lapse in thinking was because my brain said "This guy has no reading compression, he pointed out the wrong person."
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Hell even I said "That's not that guy"
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737647]This is harassment, whether you like it are not. By the legal definition, no it is not harassment.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand this sentence, but, the person you replied to said people were comparing this to actual harassment and you said no one is and to show you them so you can laugh at them
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737659]Oh actually nvm I don't think he changed the quote. Reason for my lapse in thinking was because my brain said "This guy has no reading compression, he pointed out the wrong person."[/QUOTE]
good work team
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737660]I don't understand this sentence, but, the person you replied to said people were comparing this to actual harassment and you said no one is and to show you them so you can laugh at them[/QUOTE]
Surely they are referring to online harassment. Trust me, I would love to point and laugh at someone who genuinely thinks that online harassment is equal to real-life harassment.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737666]Surely they are referring to online harassment. Trust me, I would love to point and laugh at someone who genuinely thinks that online harassment is equal to real-life harassment.[/QUOTE]
Real life harassment can melt into online as well, which pretty much just flat out becomes harassment. Pretty damn rare that online is as bad though, if ever.
however it's entirely possible that it could become just as bad if serious enough
just look at the Garry Stalker incident. Ignoring people doesn't ALWAYS stop them. Though that's the most extreme example I can think of.
I mean, nothings worse than actual harassment, in real life. You can't just hit "IGNORE" after all. But online harassment can get just as bad if it's severe enough that ignoring them doesn't stop them and they have enough people/accounts to make an impact.
[QUOTE=J!NX;50737661]good work team[/QUOTE]
Do you blame me? He's wrong in both situations. Hell, if he did change the quote, quoting daniel smith talking about race and pretending it's Primigenes is worse than quoting that Primigenes not talking about race and pretending it's Primigenes talking about race.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50737679]Do you blame me? He's wrong in both situations. Hell, if he did change the quote, quoting daniel smith talking about race and pretending it's Primigenes is worse than quoting that Primigenes not talking about race and pretending it's Primigenes talking about race.[/QUOTE]
That's not what happened though you're still confused
D Smith implies she's picked because she is black
I say nay, it's not because her race but because she's least talented and most inflammatory
Primigenes tells me fuck that because I said she's gross in another thread
[QUOTE=J!NX;50737676]Real life harassment can melt into online as well, which pretty much just flat out becomes harassment. Pretty damn rare that online is as bad though, if ever.
however it's entirely possible that it could become just as bad if serious enough
just look at the Garry Stalker incident. Ignoring people doesn't ALWAYS stop them. Though that's the most extreme example I can think of.[/QUOTE]
Yeah those are the exceptions where it starts to veer into stalking territory.
Harassment isn't black and white. When I'm referring to pointing and laughing, i'm talking about people who think calling someone a racial slur online is equal to calling someone a racial slur in reality.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737685]That's not what happened though you're still confused[/QUOTE]
Then what the hell happened? No where did Primigenes talk about race.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737685]D Smith implies she's picked because she is black
I say nay
Primigenes tells me fuck off or whatever "with that" because I said she's gross in another thread[/QUOTE]
He's trying to say that you're not in a position to justify these people's actions if you insult her based on something completely irrelevant to that current topic (I'm assuming the topic wasn't "Most attractive ghostbuster")
[QUOTE=uber.;50737230]You do realise that cyber bullying is a thing tho, right?[/QUOTE]
Cyber bullying is a thing when it's someone you know or targeting people you know.
Some looser sending death threats is just a moron flinging shit with no real world ramifications.
I didn't even try to justify anything but whatever, and the discussion at the time was about why we don't like her. I mentioned that as an after thought. No one had an issue then but it's suddenly a problem when he wants to derail with personal attacks again like he did in that thread to Aaron
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737704]I didn't even try to justify anything but whatever, and the discussion at the time was about why we don't like her. I mentioned that as an after thought. No one had an issue then but it's suddenly a problem when he wants to derail with personal attacks again like he did in that thread to Aaron[/QUOTE]
Because you're pretty much going down the same line of thought as the people who are attacking her. "Same line of thought" referring to attacking her over irrelevant garbage. If you have a history of attacking someone over something irrelevant, and you're is trying to explain "Oh they're attacking that someone because she's terrible at what she does plus she's inflammatory." then concerns are raised about bias.
If I'm so much like them wouldn't I know how they think?
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
What the hell does a bias have to do with anything here tbh
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
It's like you're saying because I've said I dislike her that I'm not allowed to explain why people dislike her, it doesn't make sense. Only people that like her get to say why people don't like her? Aka people who cried "racist! Misogynist!" and are at fault for why people are mad about this movie more than typical reboots?
People that dont spent most of their time on the internet do genuinely get affected by tweets and comments like these. Its easy for us to sit here and tell her to get over it because we know its just some 12 year old typing shit on twitter. But getting called a nigger and an ape is legit upsetting to a lot of people even if its just a tweet from a random nobody.
Didn't milo/@nero incite this
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737719]It's like you're saying because I've said I dislike her that I'm not allowed to explain why people dislike her, it doesn't make sense. Only people that like her get to say why people don't like her? Aka people who cried "racist! Misogynist!" and are at fault why people are mad about this movie more than typical reboots?[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying since you've disliked her on the basis of appearance (in a thread involving nothing to do with her appearance), and you're trying to defend the racist attacks by going
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737169]Lets not pretend it's not because she's the least talented and most inflammatory please[/QUOTE]
Makes this post lose it's credibility, if there was any to begin with because most of the insults seem to revolve around that fact that she's black.
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You're allowed to have an opinion, as is anyone on here.
I tacked on the appearance after a list of reasons she's repugnant because that's what was being talked about and I even said it doesn't really matter but it doesn't help. And stop saying I defended racism and stop bullshitting up and down this thread
Talking about credibility when you tried to say I edited quotes to make you look stupid
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
Race jokes are easy, it doesn't mean the reason she's singled out is race, you wouldn't suggest the same if it was McCarthy and fat jokes. Although McCarthy has a better rep which we all know LJ had the worst which is what I was saying
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737749]Didn't milo/@nero incite this[/QUOTE]
[media]https://twitter.com/Nero/status/755256958828089344[/media]
Seems like it by posting fake tweets
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50737757]I tacked on the appearance after a list of reasons she's repugnant because that's what was being talked about and I even said it doesn't really matter but it doesn't help. And stop saying I defended racism and stop bullshitting up and down this thread[/quote]
You're not defending racism, you're defending racist behavior by trying to give these people a shred of validity when claiming that they're not shitting on her in the name of racism.
[quote]Talking about credibility when you tried to say I edited quotes to make you look stupid[/QUOTE]
Quote. And really that was mostly centered around an insult directed to me, not about an actual point.
I also admitted that I was wrong, and really by extension, stupid. So I don't understand the point of this remark.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50737766][media]https://twitter.com/Nero/status/755256958828089344[/media]
Seems like it by posting fake tweets[/QUOTE]
This wasn't the first post I don't think but I remember being told Nero started fucking with her then the rest showed up
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