Leslie Jones (Ghostbusters actress) leaves Twitter after trolls continue to harass her vigorously
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[QUOTE=J!NX;50739934]tbh most of them probably are just using racism as a way to get to her because they know it'll work[/QUOTE]
That's what 90% of trolling is anyways and I'm not sure why people assume otherwise.
People take these comments at face value. The person doesn't actually believe even half of what they say it's just to get a rise out of someone or to devalue them.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;50738071][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cns0gVFUAAATKvy.jpg:large[/img]
nice :downs:[/QUOTE]
I don't care how emotional someone is there's no reason to act this childishly
what a baby
So many internet tough guys, jesus christ. Imagine if this way your wife, or mother, or daughter. So many of you are acting like she should magically take all of this and be cool with it, no biggie it is just a deluge of racism, insults, and character assassination, all in the public eye. She has family members who are seeing this, fans are seeing it, coworkers and future employers are seeing it. Not to mention she is on the receiving end of all of this. None of you have any clue what it would be like to get even 1% of this kind of shit thrown your way.
Newsflash, not everyone grew up on the internet and is desensitized to this shit, especially when its specifically targeting you. You guys who are justifying it or telling her to get thicker skin are being ridiculous and naive.
[QUOTE=Socram;50740167]So many internet tough guys, jesus christ. Imagine if this way your wife, or mother, or daughter. So many of you are acting like she should magically take all of this and be cool with it, no biggie it is just a deluge of racism, insults, and character assassination, all in the public eye. She has family members who are seeing this, fans are seeing it, coworkers and future employers are seeing it. Not to mention she is on the receiving end of all of this. None of you have any clue what it would be like to get even 1% of this kind of shit thrown your way.
Newsflash, not everyone grew up on the internet and is desensitized to this shit, especially when its specifically targeting you. You guys who are justifying it or telling her to get thicker skin are being ridiculous and naive.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't marry a woman who shouts at random people over petty shit and I wouldn't let my sister or mother do it without berating the shit out of them for being idiots. I don't see why anyone close to my family would get a pass when I'd just give them more shit for it since I'd obvious care more about them.
Also while the scale of it is pretty unique to the internet, the way she's been reacting isn't exactly etiquette anywhere, on the Internet or otherwise. Being a flaming idiot who spouts petty shit at people and responding to legitimate advice with "fuck you" is dumb no matter where you are and what medium you're using.
This isn't even a matter of "getting thicker skin", it's a matter of acting like a responsible adult, which she has failed to do on several occasions.
[QUOTE=Socram;50740167]So many internet tough guys, jesus christ. Imagine if this way your wife, or mother, or daughter. So many of you are acting like she should magically take all of this and be cool with it, no biggie it is just a deluge of racism, insults, and character assassination, all in the public eye. She has family members who are seeing this, fans are seeing it, coworkers and future employers are seeing it. Not to mention she is on the receiving end of all of this. None of you have any clue what it would be like to get even 1% of this kind of shit thrown your way.
Newsflash, not everyone grew up on the internet and is desensitized to this shit, especially when its specifically targeting you. You guys who are justifying it or telling her to get thicker skin are being ridiculous and naive.[/QUOTE]
Nah dude just walk up to someone on the street and call them a fat lipped coon they'll be cool if they know you're just trolling
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740285]Nah dude just walk up to someone on the street and call them a fat lipped coon they'll be cool if they know you're just trolling[/QUOTE]
If you get mad at someone calling you names on the street instead of just telling them to fuck off/ignoring them and moving on with your life then guess what you're a childish/temperamental idiot and you need to grow up.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50740269]I wouldn't marry a woman who shouts at random people over petty shit and I wouldn't let my sister or mother do it without berating the shit out of them for being idiots. I don't see why anyone close to my family would get a pass when I'd just give them more shit for it since I'd obvious care more about them.
Also while the scale of it is pretty unique to the internet, the way she's been reacting isn't exactly etiquette anywhere, on the Internet or otherwise. Being a flaming idiot who spouts petty shit at people and responding to legitimate advice with "fuck you" is dumb no matter where you are and what medium you're using.
This isn't even a matter of "getting thicker skin", it's a matter of acting like a responsible adult, which she has failed to do on several occasions.[/QUOTE]
The issue here is that you view comments made online as not having the same impact as comments made in real life. A lot of people don't make this distinction, to them these tweets may as well be someone walking up to them and saying it to their face. As much as you can continue trying to play this down as innocent trolls having a joke there is still a person behind these words.
Honestly if you walked up to a total stranger in the street and called them a nigger or an ape do you think they'd react like a "responsible adult" or do you think they'd punch you in the face. And if they did punch you would you then harp on about acting like an adult.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50740319]If you get mad at someone calling you names on the street instead of just telling them to fuck off/ignoring them and moving on with your life then guess what you're a childish/temperamental idiot and you need to grow up.[/QUOTE]
Do you honestly make no distinction between being called a name and racism? Calling someone an asshole and calling someone a stupid nigger will get you very different responses.
What you don't seem to understand is that the "act like an adult" logic works [I]everywhere[/I]. Of course people will be temperamental and have their passions and whatnot, but any responsible, level-headed person who's above high-school hormone-ridden teen logic knows better than to look for a fight when someone is being mean.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740336]The issue here is that you view comments made online as not having the same impact as comments made in real life. A lot of people don't make this distinction, to them these tweets may as well be someone walking up to them and saying it to their face. As much as you can continue trying to play this down as innocent trolls having a joke there is still a person behind these words.
Honestly if you walked up to a total stranger in the street and called them a nigger or an ape do you think they'd react like a "responsible adult" or do you think they'd punch you in the face. And if they did punch you would you then harp on about acting like an adult.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
Do you honestly make no distinction between being called a name and racism? Calling someone an asshole and calling someone a stupid nigger will get you very different responses.[/QUOTE]
If they punched you in the face, they're guilty of assault and can be charged with it even if it was provoked. Then who's the child?
Yeah, the assaulter.
Reacting to verbal abuse is never the more mature option.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740336]Do you honestly make no distinction between being called a name and racism? Calling someone an asshole and calling someone a stupid nigger will get you very different responses.[/QUOTE]
I don't think that's up to you to dictate what will and will not make people react. I've seen people react really poorly to the pettiest shit and I've seen people brush off some really nasty things.
Even if someone calls you some mean shit as long as they can't actually do anything more than that then there is no reason to be upset other than idiotic caveman logic. These are complete strangers we're talking about, their impact on your life is as minimal as you want it to be. If you decide to be an idiot and get involved with them it's your problem. There's no excuse, especially not "but they were REALLY mean this time !". It's words. Get the fuck over them.
This is even more true for public figures. Anyone who puts themselves out in the public and have some responsibility in PR must behave like adults and not tilt at the slightest provocation, because they have an image to keep up, and a lot more people scrutinizing them.
So basically no one is allowed to even complain if they receive any kind of racist abuse because they should just be the bigger man and walk away, no fault on the people sending the abuse because it just trolls ha ha what a goof.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740412]So basically no one is allowed to even complain if they receive any kind of racist abuse because they should just be the bigger man and walk away, no fault on the people sending the abuse because it just trolls ha ha what a goof.[/QUOTE]
There's a pretty stark difference between complaining about getting abuse and straight up telling people to go fuck themselves.
There's also a pretty massive difference between openly complaining about something and straight up responding to people, Leslie Jones having mostly done the latter.
Not to mention that twitter [I]has a report option[/I] that's silent and anonymous. Nobody will know you've reported anyone unless you make a fuss out of it, which she did by answering to these idiots saying she'd "expose" them.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740412]So basically no one is allowed to even complain if they receive any kind of racist abuse because they should just be the bigger man and walk away, no fault on the people sending the abuse because it just trolls ha ha what a goof.[/QUOTE]
Of course it's the fault of those people but what are you going to do take their free will away?
Yeah lets do that
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50740431]Any responsible, level-headed person who's above high-school hormone-ridden teen logic knows better than to start fights with random people and insult their appearance constantly. This is exactly how kids get bullied in school. You can justify fucking with anyone by saying "They should just ignore it"[/quote]
Bullies aren't adults. They're kids shitting on other kids. Children don't have the same logic and aren't socially mature like adults are expected to be. Bullying is a completely different issue because it addresses young ones who can't possibly be expected to be mature enough to deal with this stuff. A 47 years old woman is way past that point.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50740431]I can walk up to a guy in a wheelchair and just shit talk him all day and have a friend of mine say "just ignore it" for 20 minutes.[/quote]
That's harassment and that's illegal. They have a right to sue you and your friend for verbal abuse.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50740431]She's just some lady with a twitter account and an acting job. This "act like an adult" logic works only in the dreams of random people. There are plenty of people who would fight you if you kept berating them in real life.
So here's the solution? How about not messing with people. Posting pictures calling her Harambe is nothing but negative. At this point its not even like you're giving advice and you're just blaming her for not being Tech savvy and for responding to people insulting her when plenty of people do that in real life.[/QUOTE]
Of course it'd be better if these people did not exist, and they're still huge cunts. They will however not disappear [I]because[/I] she is in a forward position after she just starred in a panned movie that people hated before it came out. Trolls tested the waters by throwing racist shit at her and it caught perfectly, so they kept going until they drove her the fuck out. Shoe0nhead's advice is still perfectly valid: these people will keep being dipshits and they want you to tilt, so the best response all across the board is to not fucking respond. It's not about growing a thick skin or being a tough man or acting like a fucking superhero, it's about the basics of peaceful social interaction.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50740431]Any responsible, level-headed person who's above high-school hormone-ridden teen logic knows better than to start fights with random people and insult their appearance constantly. This is exactly how kids get bullied in school. You can justify fucking with anyone by saying "They should just ignore it"
I can walk up to a guy in a wheelchair and just shit talk him all day and have a friend of mine say "just ignore it" for 20 minutes.
She's just some lady with a twitter account and an acting job. This "act like an adult" logic works only in the dreams of random people. There are plenty of people who would fight you if you kept berating them in real life.
So here's the solution? How about not messing with people. Posting pictures calling her Harambe is nothing but negative. At this point its not even like you're giving advice and you're just blaming her for not being Tech savvy and for responding to people insulting her when plenty of people do that in real life.[/QUOTE]
You're telling someone who doesn't agree with the abuse she's getting to stop abusing her? Do you realize how stupid that is fundamentally?
Yes, the people who do this shouldn't. Literally no one is defending them. Gan is not defending them. He's saying her method of responding was wrong, but that's NOT A DEFENSE OF THE TROLLS.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50740442]Of course it's the fault of those people but what are you going to do take their free will away?
Yeah lets do that[/QUOTE]
Online/verbal abuse can be considered a hate crime if its based solely on the persons race so yeah.
The amount of harassment apologists in this thread is staggering. Then again, the quality of SH has took a massive dip in quality over the past year or so.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50740452]You're telling someone who doesn't agree with the abuse she's getting to stop abusing her? Do you realize how stupid that is fundamentally?
Yes, the people who do this shouldn't. Literally no one is defending them. Gan is not defending them. He's saying her method of responding was wrong, but that's NOT A DEFENSE OF THE TROLLS.[/QUOTE]
I'm not accusing him of defending the trolls, I just think its interesting that he seems entirely incapable of understanding why a person would react this way to the comments being made.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50740451]Bullies aren't adults. They're kids shitting on other kids. Children don't have the same logic and aren't socially mature like adults are expected to be. Bullying is a completely different issue because it addresses young ones who can't possibly be expected to be mature enough to deal with this stuff. A 47 years old woman is way past that point.
That's harassment and that's illegal. They have a right to sue you and your friend for verbal abuse.[/QUOTE]
Its quite a foolishly malignant idea to believe adults cant or don't bully each other. That type of shitty behavior doesn't have an age limit, my man.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740459]Online/verbal abuse can be considered a hate crime if its based solely on the persons race so yeah.[/QUOTE]
Then you report it and move on, instead of reporting it, and then responding to it personally by saying you "exposed and reported their racist ass". That's childish, unnecessary and just serves to take one step further down to their level.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=axelord157;50740487]Its quite a foolishly malignant idea to believe adults cant or don't bully each other. That type of shitty behavior doesn't have an age limit, my man.[/QUOTE]
God forbid we don't treat people as poor little victim lambs who have literally no part in anything bad that ever happens to them.
It's not like she told people to go fuck themselves and ignored the two major moderation options that Twitter offers, one of which reports people to get them banned and the other completely blocks all interaction with people you don't like.
She had options and ignored them. People were cunts and she responded with being a bitch.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=axelord157;50740487]Its quite a foolishly malignant idea to believe adults cant or don't bully each other. That type of shitty behavior doesn't have an age limit, my man.[/QUOTE]
Not my point. He said bully [I]kids[/I] specifically so I responded to that.
Bullying of adults can happen, case in point this entire twitter meltdown. Except adults can deal with it appropriately because they have so many tools at their disposal and the mental capacity to consider them.
Honestly no one, not even Leslie Jones, deserves this kind of harassment. It's still bullying, and something that shouldn't be taken lightly. Its different now; you either get picked on or teased about your appearance and mentality in your face, or get your photo PS'd with genitals and racial slur comments on it sent to you publicly for you and your friends to see. Sure she's handling it badly, but the Internet is still baffling to people over 40 that it's kind of expected. Not everyone's tech savvy, and everyday I have to teach my co-workers and my relatives who are in that age demographic how things work online.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50740489]Then you report it and move on, instead of reporting it, and then responding to it personally by saying you "exposed and reported their racist ass". That's childish, unnecessary and just serves to take one step further down to their level.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[b]God forbid we don't treat people as poor little victim lambs who have literally no part in anything bad that ever happens to them.[/b]
It's not like she told people to go fuck themselves and ignored the two major moderation options that Twitter offers, one of which reports people to get them banned and the other completely blocks all interaction with people you don't like.
She had options and ignored them. People were cunts and she responded with being a bitch.[/QUOTE]
Its not their fault they racially abused her, she brought it on herself by being black and in a movie. What a bitch!
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[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740472]I'm not accusing him of defending the trolls, I just think its interesting that he seems entirely incapable of understanding why a person would react this way to the comments being made.[/QUOTE]
I understand perfectly why people react like this, but that doesn't stop me from considering it a dumb, petty and childish reaction.
Because you can explain her behavior doesn't mean you can justify it.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740519]Its not their fault they racially abused her, she brought it on herself by being black and in a movie. What a bitch![/QUOTE]
Literally not what I said. Strawmans won't get you anywhere and will only make you look like a dumbass.
Interesting you'd put so much weight on her skin color when all I see is idiots throwing as much dirt as they can find on her. You don't have to be black to be shit on when you're a celebrity. People will always find shit that's wrong with you and call you names for it.
[QUOTE=axelord157;50740463]The amount of harassment apologists in this thread is staggering. Then again, the quality of SH has took a massive dip in quality over the past year or so.[/QUOTE]
Yeah totally apologizing for that when I say those people are in the wrong.
Yeah generalizing all of SH has made it gone down hill because now everyone can't stop fucking generalizing everyone else and assuming what everyone else believes.
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740519]Its not their fault they racially abused her, she brought it on herself by being black and in a movie. What a bitch![/QUOTE]
[B]THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.[/B]
You're TELLING Gan what he believes, because fuck him, you know what he thinks deep down, why argue like a grown up when you can quip at him and tell him what he believes.
That's what's killing SH.
I'd say victim blaming and defending racism is killing SH but hey what do I know I'm not yet desensitized to racial abuse so clearly not qualified to be in this discussion.
[QUOTE=TheJoey;50738071][img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cns0gVFUAAATKvy.jpg:large[/img]
nice :downs:[/QUOTE]
Let's stop pretending that wasn't exactly the reaction she was going to expect.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;50740554]I'd say victim blaming and defending racism is killing SH but hey what do I know I'm not yet desensitized to racial abuse so clearly not qualified to be in this discussion.[/QUOTE]
Do you also put this much hyperbole on everything in your daily life too ?
Funny how that kind of over-exaggerating garbage is what pushed people to call anyone who disliked the new Ghostbusters movie sexist pigs, and now it pushes people to call each other victim blaming racists.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50740576]Do you also put this much hyperbole on everything in your daily life too ?[/QUOTE]
What he said wasn't hyperbolic though.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50740584]You can sue someone for harassment via online communication. [/QUOTE]
Then fucking do that instead of making an ass out of yourself by also spouting insults and calling people names
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
She's fucking 47 years old and she works in show-business, stop treating her like a precious child who's never seen the outside world.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;50740584]Gosh, such a frightening lack of empathy[/QUOTE]
but tyler the creator said that online harassment doesn't exist!
[editline]19th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50740593]She's fucking 47 years old and she works in show-business, stop treating her like a precious child who's never seen the outside world.[/QUOTE]
Her age is irrelevant tbh, it's her experience with social media plus background with depression and racism.
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