• AMD Not Competing with Intel Anymore, Goes Mobile
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Shit this is sad. Hope I still will get a AMD till my next build. Was going to go for a AMD... I hope intel will be kind in anyway and stay at the same price or at least similar price.
People saying the the pc platform is dying must not be serious. Working in the industry myself, i know better than most on this forum, how important the desktop terminal is. Not just for gaming, but for the workplace. Furthermore, desktop terminals are necessary for the research and development for future tech. Laptops and mobile devices will never replace desktops just because of the sheer infidelity that mobile devices and laptops provide. The furthest mobile tech will go, is syncing your pc data onto your mobile device and carrying around your files with you. From a business stand point. It far cheaper to order 150 desktop computers with more performance and disk space for an office that it is to order 150 laptops. And that is also something that will not change. and if it ever does, it won't be in any of our life times. Only now is pc tech hitting its stride and we are really starting to figure out what a PC can do. Pc tech isn't dying, its stronger than ever.
It's even cheaper to order and maintain a Duo of powerful servers and buy 150 Dumb terminals with no storage.
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;33492193]It's even cheaper to order and maintain a Duo of powerful servers and buy 150 Dumb terminals with no storage.[/QUOTE] Define dumb terminals, there could be multiple ways to interpret this, such as I am.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;33492104]Aren't monopolies illegal?[/QUOTE] They're still around. [img]http://www.monopoly-games.com/img/upload/monopolyrevolution.jpg[/img]
Let's keep things simple. Pico/Mini ITX Systems that Net boot an LTSP client for a remote X Session. My point being that the technology is already here and the workplace doesn't even need full desktop computers for every employee. Performance computers have their place but I don't think that place is everybody's house/desk as we look into the future. If one needed to transcode an hour long 4K resolution video you [i]could[/i] do it locally, but let's say in the future your tablet/all-in-one would just send it to a very very powerful remote cluster that would have it done in seconds. This is what I think we are heading for.
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;33492225]Let's keep things simple. Pico/Mini ITX Systems that Net boot an LTSP client for a remote X Session.[/QUOTE] Oh, I see. Wow that would work out great for office-like tasks now that you put it in my head. Cut costs, the ability to do upgrades on the main system that affect all clients therefor cutting costs.
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;33492193]It's even cheaper to order and maintain a Duo of powerful servers and buy 150 Dumb terminals with no storage.[/QUOTE] Every computer needs personal storage. I didn't include servers in the equation because to run a business with 150 employees, its pretty much self explanatory. Sure tech is getting smaller. The problem is smaller doesn't mean more practical.
[QUOTE=Leather Belt;33489826]Sad news, Intel CPU prices or going to get insanely high.[/QUOTE] Glad I got a Sandy Bridge i5 few weeks ago.
Hopefully they won't drop on GPU business , Radeon cards have good price/performance ratio, and Nvidia just overprices their shit. (Not to be an AMD fanboy)
[QUOTE=Azaz3l;33492324]Hopefully they won't drop on GPU business , Radeon cards have good price/performance ratio, and Nvidia just overprices their shit. (Not to be an AMD fanboy)[/QUOTE] Cutting their GPU line would be suicide. AMD has the best preforming cards, and are by far better at power management/heat management. AMD's suits know how to get shit done when it comes to running a business.
[QUOTE=Atlascore;33492182]Why can't you just wrap it around your head computers are getting smaller? For fucks sake if you told someone a decade ago you could put a quad core CPU in a phone they'd have a heart attack. If you told people 50 years ago you could fit a computer under your desk they'd call you insane.[/QUOTE] Because desktops have gotten 50 times more powerful in the last 10 years and they occupy the same box as before. In 10 years, today's desktop hardware will be small enough to put in your phone, but there will still be desktop PCs that still sit in the same case as today. We have computers that fit under your desk, but we have supercomputers that fill a room as well.
Intel processors are expensive enough already, now they have a monopoly on consumer processors?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33492397]Intel processors are expensive enough already, now they have a monopoly on consumer processors?[/QUOTE] They don't. AMD is just adjusting for the times, they're a business and they have to adapt to changes in the industry. There is a higher demand for consumer-end media PC's and laptops then there is for box packages. They still have a agenda and a roadmap to fit for performance processors.
[QUOTE=Stopper;33491983]As much as I hate to disagree: [img]http://www.google.com/trends/viz?q=desktop,+laptop&graph=weekly_img&sa=N[/img] But then again, I've never seen an office full of laptops or a home without a desktop. (Red is laptops, blue is dekstops)[/QUOTE] Isnt that just a search history statistic? That does not mean anything except people are googling the word "Laptop" more than "Desktop"
[QUOTE=ripple3000;33492371]Cutting their GPU line would be suicide. AMD has the best preforming cards, and are by far better at power management/heat management[B]. AMD's suits know how to get shit done when it comes to running a business.[/B][/QUOTE] Actually that has been the biggest problem for AMD for a while now, dumb decisions (like the "MOAR COERS").
[QUOTE=Str4fe;33492422]Isnt that just a search history statistic? That does not mean anything except people are googling the word "Laptop" more than "Desktop"[/QUOTE] On one hand it does speak for rising popularity. On the other hand, there are far more useful applications for a desktop pc than there is a laptop or notebook. You know, that is, if you put convenience aside.
Wouldn't that fall under poor design choice.
I just wish somebody had told amd that more cores means nothing unless there are actual programs that make use of all the cores. I personally think that bulldozer was way ahead of its time. Still doesn't make it good. We will be seeing more cores in the future. The difference is the cores will be faster and there will actually be support for more cores.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33492579]I just wish somebody had told amd that more cores means nothing unless there are actual programs that make use of all the cores. I personally think that bulldozer was way ahead of its time. Still doesn't make it good. We will be seeing more cores in the future. The difference is the cores will be faster and there will actually be support for more cores.[/QUOTE] Wasn't this the exact same thing that happened when AMD released the first dual core processor and likewise the first AMD64 processor? Give software developers time to advance on a multicore platform is the only thing AMD can hope for.
I'm not sure I like the idea of one CPU manufacturer owning the entire computer cpu market... even though I always bought intel, they now have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want. They could increase their prices by 200% and we literally wouldn't have a choice. I know they (probably) won't, but still. A sad state of affairs :(
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;33492084]I think people are misinterpreting my "The PC platform as we know it" as "The whole PC platform entirely".[/QUOTE] I think people are not misinterpreting anything. Define "the pc platform as we know it". It's a box and a screen. Or just a screen for macs. I don't see anything changing from that front. Many industries use PC for heavy use daily and switching them to a laptop would be much more expensive to get the same performance. Not to mention laptops cannot be built yourself. Tablets don't have a chance as they're useless for work. I don't see how PC as we know it could change.
My dad won't be happy knowing he'll have to buy an intel after the first intel chips he ever owned were crap.
[QUOTE=Str4fe;33492422]Isnt that just a search history statistic? That does not mean anything except people are googling the word "Laptop" more than "Desktop"[/QUOTE] If you can think of a better way to see which is more popular, please share it with us.
The box is slowly disappearing, The Operating systems are slowly getting to that "Appliance" feel (See Windows 8's Touch friendly idiot proof interface, Ubuntu's Unity(?), Apples App store to their OS), the hardware is getting more and more closely integrated (See, Core i5 with built in GPU). And like I stated earlier, the cloud is slowly becoming a major part of computing in general you may not even realise you utilise it in some way. OnLive for example is just the tip of the potentially colossal iceberg. To say that the desktop PC will stay like it is now for the next 50 years would be silly, just look at the [i]past[/i] 50 years. The average consumer expects their PC to be an "Appliance" The fact that so many take so little care in keeping them free of Crapware is an indicator of this, they want their machine to "Just Work" and be trouble free like their TV or mobile phone. This is how it is changing. I'm talking about the mass market here, Not enthusiasts, Like I have said already there are places where these "Performance computers" are required, such as in professional audio/video.
[QUOTE=Tezzanator92;33493137]The box is slowly disappearing, The Operating systems are slowly getting to that "Appliance" feel (See Windows 8's Touch friendly idiot proof interface), the hardware is getting more and more closely integrated (See, Core i5 with built in GPU). And like I stated earlier, the cloud is slowly becoming a major part of computing in general you may not even realise you utilise it in some way. OnLive for example is just the tip of the potentially colossal iceberg. To say that the desktop PC will stay like it is now for the next 50 years would be silly, just look at the [i]past[/i] 50 years. The average consumer expects their PC to be an "Appliance" The fact that so many take so little care in keeping them free of Crapware is an indicator of this, they want their machine to "Just Work" and be trouble free like their TV or mobile phone. This is how it is changing. I'm talking about the mass market here, Not enthusiasts, Like I have said already there are places where these "Performance computers" are required, such as in professional audio/video.[/QUOTE] Motherboards have had built-in GPUs forever, how is the i5 thing any different
Because it moved from an external chip to on the same chip. hence "More closely integrated". Some intel Atoms also had this and the Nvidia Tegra is another example (Though a more complete solution, SoC). There's probably more from the past but it [i]is[/i] being pushed more now.
Does this mean we'll have companies like Cyrix fighting for a stake in the CPU market again? Their 586 and 686 chips were awesome.
Today is a sad day for techies everywhere - regardless of their opinion of AMD.
well, shit.
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