US and Israel working together on Iran, says Obama
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[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;34567558]Since we're their [B]allies [/B]we would have to come along if something goes bad.
Especially if it ends up being a nuclear war.
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Yeah right, your politicians are Israel's bitch and they are just using US of A for their own benefit.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34568180]Politicians will always promise what ever the public wants in order to get reelected.[/QUOTE]
Yes but if he starts making mistakes prior to being reelected then nobody will vote for him.
Public opinion matters very much right now.
[QUOTE=Valdor;34568873]Yes but if he starts making mistakes prior to being reelected then nobody will vote for him.
Public opinion matters very much right now.[/QUOTE]
Get enough corporate power behind you, and the public won't matter.
Wait, they're people too :v:
[QUOTE=The Jackal;34567486]Don't go to war with Iran Obama, let Israel deal with it.[/QUOTE]
It would only be feasible to go to war with Iran if Iran hits first. If so, it would be another Korea, hopefully not another Vietnam.
But the best case scenario? Nothing happens and Iran and Israel simply continue to go "I can kill ur dudes faster than u can kill mine"
[QUOTE=Sumap;34568030]Only Iran doesn't have any, and isn't working towards getting them, and has little need for them.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I should have said "the idea of Iran having nukes" to clear it up. And also I think that's arguable (that Iran has little need for nukes). There's a couple reasons why Iran would want nuclear weapons, one of which is being a deterrent against Israel.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34568888]Get enough corporate power behind you, and the public won't matter.
Wait, they're people too :v:[/QUOTE]
i really hope you dont think that corporations are the only thing that politicians need
there's a reason that all congressmen still desperately try to keep their constituents, despite many already being bought by lobbyists
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34567402]He's the president. It's PRESIDENT Obama or Mr. PRESIDENT. Jeez, like him or not get it right.[/QUOTE]
Sir Mr. Dr. President Obama, Ph.D, M.D, A.M.A.
Sundays on AMC
[QUOTE=mac338;34569350]Sir Mr. Dr. President Obama, Ph.D, M.D, A.M.A.
Sundays on AMC[/QUOTE]
Professor Professorson
After watching Persepolis, I feel horrible for the Iranian people. If only there was a way to fix it all..
[QUOTE=Woomp;34567596]or Bahrain, but nobody really liked Bahrain anyways.[/QUOTE]
But Starpluck
[QUOTE=Noble;34567597]Iran having nukes concerns more than just Israel, so it's not something that only Israel should deal with.[/QUOTE]
Are people like you literally retarded?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons[/url]
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762462.html[/url]
Israel having nukes is something you should be worried about. Declare war on those idiots who have things like the 'Samson Option' instead of blatantly lying to everyone's face here.
Enjoy your times of increased terror you dimwits. You learn nothing after a decade of pure shit you deserve everything.
[QUOTE=The Jackal;34567486]Don't go to war with Iran Obama, let Israel deal with it.[/QUOTE]
Or rather let Israel be dealt with... Hopefully.
[QUOTE=aydin690;34568211]Yeah right, your politicians are Israel's bitch and they are just using US of A for their own benefit.[/QUOTE]
Other way around, actually. Our obsession with them has let our grip slip a bit though.
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[QUOTE=Sickle;34569935]Are people like you literally retarded?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons[/url]
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762462.html[/url]
Israel having nukes is something you should be worried about. Declare war on those idiots who have things like the 'Samson Option' instead of blatantly lying to everyone's face here.[/QUOTE]
Lol, we gave Israel nukes, they've never made their own.
For all we know the US has total control over Israel's nuclear weaponry. That's not the concern here, what [i]is[/i], rather, is the fact that Israel needs to calm their tits and Iran stopping it's nuclear program. At least until they've proven their competence; they're basically a second North Korea.
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[QUOTE=BloodYScar;34570630]Or rather let Israel be dealt with... Hopefully.[/QUOTE]
I fucking wish.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;34571279]Other way around, actually. Our obsession with them has let our grip slip a bit though.[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Israel has the States by the balls and they have bitten the hand that has fed her on many occasions only for the U.S. to respond/reaffirm "the U.S' bond with Israel is unbreakable"
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Israel hardly listens to anything the U.S. says, yet the U.S. is still willing to advance Israeli interests, even when it contradicts their own.
By working on it they mean sending more assasins.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;34568023]No, we can't! Think of the poor oil![/QUOTE]
It was proven the US was not there for oil, for freedom? Probably not, oil? No.
Why does America think that they can have nukes, along with their allies. But when somebody else tries to they aren't allowed to. Not saying that I want Iran to have nukes, nobody should.
America is like the fat bully on the school playground who thinks he can do anything and when somebody else does the same they aren't allowed to and wants to stop them.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;34567810]Public opinion usually never changes administrative policies.[/QUOTE]I'm sure lots of people are fine with helping Israel or simply don't give a damn.
But people are real down on war, not feeling froggy to jump back into the Middle East. I can't imagine people being happy with Israel if they attack Iran and basically force our hand into going to war.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;34573551]Why does America think that they can have nukes, along with their allies. But when somebody else tries to they aren't allowed to. Not saying that I want Iran to have nukes, nobody should.
America is like the fat bully on the school playground who thinks he can do anything and when somebody else does the same they aren't allowed to and wants to stop them.[/QUOTE]
Many other countries besides America and Israel are against a nuclear Iran. The UN has passed sanctions against them.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34569935]Are people like you literally retarded?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons[/url]
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762462.html[/url]
Israel having nukes is something you should be worried about. Declare war on those idiots who have things like the 'Samson Option' instead of blatantly lying to everyone's face here.[/QUOTE]
Wait whose lying about anything?
Ideally no side should have nukes. However, Israel has no other reason besides self defense to use nuclear weapons. The only people in the world who want nukes to actually use them against a target are Islamic extremists. Given that Iran is run by religious fundamentalists and already is thought to have some sort of ties to Islamic terrorists, that's a big concern. Not just to America and Israel, but just about everybody.
[QUOTE=Sickle;34569935]Are people like you literally retarded?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons[/url]
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762462.html[/url]
Israel having nukes is something you should be worried about. Declare war on those idiots who have things like the 'Samson Option' instead of blatantly lying to everyone's face here.[/QUOTE]
We had and still have MAD with Russia and China :/
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[QUOTE=Sickle;34569935]Are people like you literally retarded?
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons[/url]
[url]http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762462.html[/url]
Israel having nukes is something you should be worried about. Declare war on those idiots who have things like the 'Samson Option' instead of blatantly lying to everyone's face here.[/QUOTE]
We had and still have MAD with Russia and China :/
Glad to see he wants to solve it diplomatically but unfortunately Israel is leaning more and more into doing preemptive strikes.
Then again the US doesn't really have to fear getting nuked by Iran, Israel's fears are understandable since they're right within striking distance of Iran.
This is a tough nut.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;34573551]Why does America think that they can have nukes, along with their allies. But when somebody else tries to they aren't allowed to. Not saying that I want Iran to have nukes, nobody should.
America is like the fat bully on the school playground who thinks he can do anything and when somebody else does the same they aren't allowed to and wants to stop them.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"I've been very clear - we're going to do everything we can to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon and [b]creating a nuclear arms race in a volatile region[/b]"[/QUOTE]
I'd say that's a legitimate concern, we had one arms race and the world came incredibly close to destruction because of it but America and Russia managed to deal with it, we don't need another situation like that.
[QUOTE=Noble;34575857]Many other countries besides America and Israel are against a nuclear Iran. The UN has passed sanctions against them.
Wait whose lying about anything?
Ideally no side should have nukes. However, Israel has no other reason besides self defense to use nuclear weapons. The only people in the world who want nukes to actually use them against a target are Islamic extremists. Given that Iran is run by religious fundamentalists and already is thought to have some sort of ties to Islamic terrorists, that's a big concern. Not just to America and Israel, but just about everybody.[/QUOTE]
Except Islamic extremists aren't the only people who'd use nukes. You can give it to any extremist.
Boy what a great idea, this will end well.
[QUOTE=Noble;34575857]Ideally no side should have nukes. However, Israel has no other reason besides self defense to use nuclear weapons. The only people in the world who want nukes to actually use them against a target are Islamic extremists. Given that Iran is run by religious fundamentalists and already is thought to have some sort of ties to Islamic terrorists, that's a big concern. Not just to America and Israel, but just about everybody.[/QUOTE]
Because Israel controls all the Palestinians for self defense, right?
Israel wouldn't need to fucking defend themselves if they weren't trying to mushroom slap everybody around them and try to be the USA of the Mid East. They strike out at anything they disagree with and yea, they are the target of extremist Islamic groups because they have managed to piss them all off in the past half century they've been around. Israel is going to get what they have coming, Iran is not the most stable country in the world to have nukes, but neither is North Korea and nothing bad has happened yet.
I don't have anything to worry about because my country doesn't go out and piss on others because we believe we choose who can have what. We gave India nukes and they haven't fucked up yet have they?
[QUOTE=Noble;34575857]
The only people in the world who want nukes to actually use them against a target are Islamic extremists. Given that Iran is run by religious fundamentalists and already is thought to have some sort of ties to Islamic terrorists, that's a big concern. Not just to America and Israel, but just about everybody.[/QUOTE]
Do you know how much terrorism has actually been committed in the name of Islam? If you're talking about terrorism specifically committed against the United States, then you should know that only 6% of all terrorism incidents that have occured on US soil since 1980-2005 were actually related to Islam. [URL="http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05"]Source.[/URL] (Scroll all the way to the bottom). If you're talking about Europe, then it's even less - 0.4%. (Source [URL="https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/tesat2007.pdf"]A[/URL] [URL="https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/tesat2008.pdf"]B[/URL] [URL="https://www.europol.europa.eu/sites/default/files/publications/tesat2009_0.pdf"]C[/URL]).
If anyone were to obtain nuclear weaponry and use it on Americans, it probably wouldn't be Muslim extremists.
[QUOTE=The Epidemic;34578127]If anyone were to obtain nuclear weaponry and use it on Americans, it probably wouldn't be Muslim extremists.[/QUOTE]
All the more reason to ensure that Iran does not have access to nuclear weaponry, especially considering that Iran openly state that they support recognised terrorist organisations.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;34579930]All the more reason to ensure that Iran does not have access to nuclear weaponry, especially considering that Iran openly state that they support recognised terrorist organisations.[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to say Iran would give its nukes to terrorists?
[QUOTE=Woomp;34580006]Are you trying to say Iran would give its nukes to terrorists?[/QUOTE]
They give weapons, rockets, mortars and missiles, so why not?
if i were president id just have people call me mr., not president
that takes you into a higher position than the common man, and thats not good
He is in a position higher than the common man...
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