• US executions on hold due to lethal injection drug shortage
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[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;25098750]What people "feel" justice is, is, in the end, justice. The only reason that jail is a punishment is because other people feel it is the proper punishment. In the end, the punishments for breaking the law are man-made, so they are subjective to ones thinking. There isn't a universal concept of what "justice" is, because the concept itself is subjective. Therefore, you are allowed, and should in fact, debate it.[/QUOTE] justice = reasonable and fair i didn't know killing people was either of those.
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;25098744]If there's gonna be a death penalty, may as well go all out instead of this "humane" nonsense. I bet a nice 5.56x45mm cartridge is cheaper than a syringe full of sodium thiopental anyways.[/QUOTE] it is, but the "death penalty costs" are not the form of death, its mostly in legal costs, people are going to appeal the shit out of getting the death penalty.
use bullets
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25098873]justice = reasonable and fair i didn't know killing people was either of those.[/QUOTE] Who are you to determine what "reasonable and fair" means? Killing people isn't unreasonable and unfair just because you say it is. I think putting someone in jail for the rest of his life isn't reasonable and fair either. Does that validate my opinion in any way? No, because the issue, like many others is subjective. You missed the whole point.
[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;25098640]Yes you can. Ever heard of "self defense"?[/QUOTE] Except that we're talking about the death penalty. Not shooting some creep that went into your house.
Lethal injection: Costs tens of thousands of dollars per prisoner. Can be extremely painful. Firing squad: Costs a hundred or so dollars per prisoner. Almost always painless (you typically go into shock).
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;25099038]Lethal injection: Costs tens of thousands of dollars per prisoner. Can be extremely painful. Firing squad: Costs a hundred or so dollars per prisoner. Almost always painless (you typically go into shock).[/QUOTE] hint: lethal injection costs less than one hundred dollars (not including labor or anything like that) and also has much less emotional effects on the executioner than the firing squad does.
In my opinion the quickest and most painless way to die is an explosion near your head. Strap some dynamite or some other explosive on your head, go to a remote location and light that shit up. Makes a mess but hey, it vaporizes your brain.
[QUOTE=Orkel;25099305]In my opinion the quickest and most painless way to die is an explosion near your head. Strap some dynamite or some other explosive on your head, go to a remote location and light that shit up. Makes a mess but hey, it vaporizes your brain.[/QUOTE] Everything's nice until the first accident.
[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;25098956]Who are you to determine what "reasonable and fair" means? Killing people isn't unreasonable and unfair just because you say it is. I think putting someone in jail for the rest of his life isn't reasonable and fair either. Does that validate my opinion in any way? No, because the issue, like many others is subjective. You missed the whole point.[/QUOTE] when something violates human rights it's probably not reasonable or fair. and i agree with you on the life sentence statement so hey.
[QUOTE=BmB;25098244]Please deserve killing yourself from stupidity.[/QUOTE] good argument you got there you're a genius and a master at linguistics
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25099433]when something violates human rights it's probably not reasonable or fair. [/QUOTE] Not really. Putting someone in jail violates the basic human right for freedom, Yet you seem not to complain about that. Why?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25099433]when something violates human rights it's probably not reasonable or fair. and i agree with you on the life sentence statement so hey.[/QUOTE] humans rights is subjective too so hey
the truth is subjective everything is false all claims are unfounded
I think everyone who commits serious crimes should be kept alive, forced to work, and offered the opportunity to kill themselves if they so desire. That's the only real humane way to deal with them if you ask me. Maybe it's just me, but the thought of having to live the rest of my life in prison is worse than the thought of death. I would much rather take my own life than be subject to that.
don't devolve the argument into a 'thats your opinion' or 'thats subjective' fest because it wont go anywhere
[QUOTE=BmB;25098261]Also, pure oxygen free nitrogen, iz the way to go bitches. You never ever run out of the stuff either.[/QUOTE] Oh no Its BMB, the man who thinks every child rapist can be spot free through jail.
Now you have to pay for their food for another 4 months. Not good...
[QUOTE=valiant.;25099624]don't devolve the argument into a 'thats your opinion' or 'thats subjective' fest because it wont go anywhere[/QUOTE] So what? It deserves not to go anywhere. People can't just decide execution is the wrong thing to do because it's "just not right". And in the end, every single argument against execution, no matter how complicated comes down to "it's just not right". This statement is void and doesn't back up anything.
[QUOTE=valiant.;25099624]don't devolve the argument into a 'thats your opinion' or 'thats subjective' fest because it wont go anywhere[/QUOTE] the death penalty is legal you argue against it with "I don't like it" if we follow your advice this thread wouldn't be a debate at all ps awesome avatar [editline]07:59PM[/editline] hell if we follow your advice we wouldn't have opinions
[QUOTE=cccritical;25099734]the death penalty is legal you argue against it with "I don't like it" if we follow your advice this thread wouldn't be a debate at all ps awesome avatar [editline]07:59PM[/editline] hell if we follow your advice we wouldn't have opinions[/QUOTE] having opinionated responses is better than having responses that only state "that's your opinion." i also think you should reread what i said because i didn't say opinions are bad ps. wish i could say the same
[QUOTE=Afgman;25099666]Oh no Its BMB, the man who thinks every child rapist can be spot free through jail.[/QUOTE] Lets think of it this way- If a child rapist can be spot free through jail, this means he gets almost no punishment at all. Not your definition of justice. But if a child rapist won't be spot free through jail, then you're basically admitting to want him to be tortured (be it physically or emotionally), which is probably worst then death. This is too much punishment, which is, according to your definition, not justice. You lose both ways.
[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;25099841]Lets think of it this way- If a child rapist can be spot free through jail, this means he gets almost no punishment at all. Not your definition of justice. But if a child rapist won't be spot free through jail, then you're basically admitting to want him to be tortured (be it physically or emotionally), which is probably worst then death. This is too much punishment, which is, according to your definition, not justice. You lose both ways.[/QUOTE] No, I never said I wanted him tortured. Some people are better of dead.
Just put a bullet in the back of the head. And by bullet I mean shotgun blast. Cheap, quick, effecient, problem solved. Why does it have to be so intricate and expensive?
[QUOTE=Afgman;25099980]No, I never said I wanted him tortured. Some people are better of dead.[/QUOTE] I never implied you did, but saying that execution is bad because you've got worst stuff waiting for ya in jail is kind of contradicting yourself.
[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;25099549]Not really. Putting someone in jail violates the basic human right for freedom, Yet you seem not to complain about that. Why?[/QUOTE] because whenever they use the "human rights" argument it's only to support their agenda or their side of the argument.
[QUOTE=GodKing;25099993]Just put a bullet in the back of the head. And by bullet I mean shotgun blast. Cheap, quick, effecient, problem solved. Why does it have to be so intricate and expensive?[/QUOTE] Because death doesn't just affect the guy getting executed, it also affects the executioner. The method needs to be humane for both sides.
Use bullets instead
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;25099038]Lethal injection: Costs tens of thousands of dollars per prisoner. Can be extremely painful. Firing squad: Costs a hundred or so dollars per prisoner. Almost always painless (you typically go into shock).[/QUOTE] once again you've managed to prove how monumentally ignorant you are it's not the EXECUTION ITSELF that's expensive - ever it's the LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS OF SENTENCING SOMEONE TO DEATH - the appeals process is an example
[QUOTE=A Dead Guy;25100063]Because death doesn't just affect the guy getting executed, it also affects the executioner. The method needs to be humane for both sides.[/QUOTE] Okay, so strap them into a table with a mechanized shotgun device attached, in a small, self-cleaning room where they cannot be seen, push a button to fire the gun off, then another button to open the floor and dump the corpse into an incinerator for cremation. It could all be computerized so no one need do anything except press a button to activate it and walk away. No corpse, no mess due to self-cleaning room. Yeeeah.
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