• US executions on hold due to lethal injection drug shortage
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[QUOTE=Melnek;25106863]you're a couple of thousand years late on bitching about the corruptness of humanity pal.[/QUOTE] never too late to try and reverse the damage.
[QUOTE=Melnek;25106863]you're a couple of thousand years late on bitching about the corruptness of humanity pal.[/QUOTE] oh I guess we should throw all ethics out the window then because we killed people a thousand years ago damn
Those against the death penalty typically call life in prison, "a fate worse then death." But if that means the death penalty is kinder then life imprisonment, then wouldn't that mean those against the death penalty are more inhumane and sadistic?
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;25106890]Those against the death penalty typically call life in prison, "a fate worse then death." But if that means the death penalty is kinder then life imprisonment, then wouldn't that mean those against the death penalty are more inhumane and sadistic?[/QUOTE] people like that are just as bad. prison should be about REHABILITATION. punishment does not work
[QUOTE=valiant.;25098872]eye for an eye with some modifications - best policy for justice[/QUOTE] This would never work. I would never be able to torture someone to death because they did it to a loved one. [editline]11:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=valiant.;25099240]hint: lethal injection costs less than one hundred dollars (not including labor or anything like that) and also has much less emotional effects on the executioner than the firing squad does.[/QUOTE] How would you know that repeatedly injecting stuff into multiple tied down victims is less harmful to you than a 1/10 chance you are shooting someone.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25106527]tell me what does executing someone actually achieve?[/QUOTE] sense of closure for the family of the victim. that's assuming we're talking about murderers. (which they are in most cases) imagine yourself in their shoes, your daughter was just murdered brutally by some idiot, you think you're just gonna go "oh well shit happens"? you'll wish he was dead. and you'll want revenge. badly. even if a criminal does get sentenced for a life time in prison with no parole, that's a man that has nothing to lose, and those type of men are actually fucking dangerous and are willing to do anything to fight back 'the system' that includes coming up with ways of harming the guards or just going fucking mental on inmates randomly. it's not that black and white as to say "death sentence is bad". I support the death sentence because it keeps the nutjobs out of our society for good. Im not saying you should use it left and right for every single tiny crime, but keep it for the ones who you have hard evidence against and the ones who have committed at least 1t degree murders.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;25099468]good argument you got there you're a genius and a master at linguistics[/QUOTE] Never reply to BnB seriously, just a heads up. He's worse than shukaidoX. Atleast he changes points once in a while. All BnB did last thread on this was attack the other side, or shout crimson aren't evil.
[QUOTE=Melnek;25107006]sense of closure for the family of the victim. that's assuming we're talking about murderers. (which they are in most cases) imagine yourself in their shoes, your daughter was just murdered brutally by some idiot, you think you're just gonna go "oh well shit happens"? you'll wish he was dead. and you'll want revenge. badly. even if a criminal does get sentenced for a life time in prison with no parole, that's a man that has nothing to lose, and those type of men are actually fucking dangerous and are willing to do anything to fight back 'the system' that includes coming up with ways of harming the guards or just going fucking mental on inmates randomly. it's not that black and white as to say "death sentence is bad". I support the death sentence because it keeps the nutjobs out of our society for good. Im not saying you should use it left and right for every single tiny crime, but keep it for the ones who you have hard evidence against and the ones who have committed at least 1t degree murders.[/QUOTE] the justice system is not there to provide closure for the families of victims. like i said, i don't believe in prison as a form of punishment i believe criminals should be placed into rehabilitation centers until such a time as they can become productive members of society. a good way to keep nutjobs(assuming you mean crazy people that murder????) out of society is to provide medication for their mental illnesses.
[QUOTE=Superstormj;25101577]Why don't they just pump them with some morphine instead? It's basically the same thing, high enough dose, which is not much, will knock them out just like the Sodium T.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't herroin a differently arranged form of morphine (chemically)
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25107122]the justice system is not there to provide closure for the families of victims. like i said, i don't believe in prison as a form of punishment i believe criminals should be placed into rehabilitation centers until such a time as they can become productive members of society. a good way to keep nutjobs(assuming you mean crazy people that murder????) out of society is to provide medication for their mental illnesses.[/QUOTE] yes you just keep living in your perfect little world where straight up insane doesn't exist and a majority of inmates who have committed serious crime can be 'rehabilitated'.
[QUOTE=Melnek;25107221]yes you just keep living in your perfect little world where straight up insane doesn't exist and a majority of inmates who have committed serious crime can be 'rehabilitated'.[/QUOTE] like i said, people who are insane can be treated with medication and therapy. and i can't see why they can't. the majority of crime is caused by people forced into that sort of life due to upbringing or poverty so i think they could be rehabilitated quite easily. you keep living in your shitty little world where people are executed for having treatable mental illnesses and where the whole point of the justice system is REVENGE
[QUOTE=TheHydra;25100312]but then the person who pressed the button is the one who killed him, he has to bear that guilt[/QUOTE] How about some machine that triggers the shot after the convict has been strapped down into the chair for about a minute? The machine detects the pressure, and if someone sits down manually you still got plenty of time to get your ass out of there.
This is the same as the last thread on this subject, where is Abyss to come and show the anti death penalty people how a real argument from their side should be put forth. The best way is to give them a choice of suicide or semi solitary confinement. By them I mean the criminally insane, which does exist.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107205]Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't herroin a differently arranged form of morphine (chemically)[/QUOTE] they're both made from opium
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25107271]like i said, people who are insane can be treated with medication and therapy. and i can't see why they can't. the majority of crime is caused by people forced into that sort of life due to upbringing or poverty so i think they could be rehabilitated quite easily. you keep living in your shitty little world where people are executed for having treatable mental illnesses and where the whole point of the justice system is REVENGE[/QUOTE] That is very ignorant, do you know how hard it is to even rehab someone with PTS, let alone repeat rapists and co.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107298]This is the same as the last thread on this subject, where is Abyss to come and show the anti death penalty people how a real argument from their side should be put forth. The best way is to give them a choice of suicide or semi solitary confinement. By them I mean the criminally insane, which does exist.[/QUOTE] WHY SHOULD WE DO THAT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INSANE? THAT MEANS THEY HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS. seriously what the hell people with mental illnesses are not responsible for their actions and should not be punished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE ARE MEDICATIONS AND TREATMENTS FOR THESE PEOPLE OK [editline]02:50AM[/editline] [QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107314]That is very ignorant, do you know how hard it is to even rehab someone with PTS, let alone repeat rapists and co.[/QUOTE] oh yeah my bad lets just kill them instead.
Insane people that repeat what they do, serial-x-ists, can't be cured because they don't believe they have done wrong, or have had an incident that causes them to be like that. They can't cure mental instability in people like that. Instability in this sense is subjective.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25107271]like i said, people who are insane can be treated with medication and therapy. and i can't see why they can't. the majority of crime is caused by people forced into that sort of life due to upbringing or poverty so i think they could be rehabilitated quite easily. you keep living in your shitty little world where people are executed for having treatable mental illnesses and where the whole point of the justice system is REVENGE[/QUOTE] hey hey guess what the death penalty is going to be here for a long, long time. and you bitching about it isn't going to change a single damn thing. might as well just cope with it.
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107358]Insane people that repeat what they do, serial-x-ists, can't be cured because they don't believe they have done wrong, or have had an incident that causes them to be like that. They can't cure mental instability in people like that. Instability in this sense is subjective.[/QUOTE] i disagree. i think with medication and psychotherapy (RIGHT WORD????? I DON'T KNOW!!!) they could at least be managed. which in my opinion is better than killing them
I still think that anyone violating the law should be forced into the military or some other service beneficial to the country. Death sentences always end up being bad in some way, e.g., the person is innocent or what not. This way, the person will still be able to be free if something goes wrong, and the government will have to redress them with money or what have you.
[QUOTE=Melnek;25107378]hey hey guess what the death penalty is going to be here for a long, long time. and you bitching about it isn't going to change a single damn thing. might as well just cope with it.[/QUOTE] ok next time i come onto a forum i'll remember not to discuss anything. luckily in my country we aren't barbaric enough to use the death penalty so i'm happy with that.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25107321]WHY SHOULD WE DO THAT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INSANE? THAT MEANS THEY HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS. seriously what the hell people with mental illnesses are not responsible for their actions and should not be punished!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE ARE MEDICATIONS AND TREATMENTS FOR THESE PEOPLE OK oh yeah my bad lets just kill them instead.[/QUOTE] Way to ignore my posts, I support giving them a choice. They can't return to society and be normal, so let them live in prison, their crimes decide how much they get human contact, or death. It's technically suicide.
[QUOTE=RayDark;25107391]I still think that anyone violating the law should be forced into the military or some other service beneficial to the country. Death sentences always end up being bad in some way, e.g., the person is innocent or what not. This way, the person will still be able to be free if something goes wrong, and the government will have to redress them with money or what have you.[/QUOTE] not the military. if they are criminals they shouldn't really be put in a situation that allows them to possibly commit more crime
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;25107381]i disagree. i think with medication and psychotherapy (RIGHT WORD????? I DON'T KNOW!!!) they could at least be managed. which in my opinion is better than killing them[/QUOTE] It takes decades to cure a person with PTS, do you have any idea how much that would cost?
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107398]Way to ignore my posts, I support giving them a choice. They can't return to society and be normal, so let them live in prison, their crimes decide how much they get human contact, or death. It's technically suicide.[/QUOTE] could you please provide proof that these peoples mental illnesses cannot be treated? and wow what a choice "HMMM YOU CAN STAY IN PRISON FOREVER OR KILL YOURSELF" [editline]03:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107416]It takes decades to cure a person with PTS, do you have any idea how much that would cost?[/QUOTE] less than a life i'm thinking. it doesn't necessarily need to be cured, managed at least. also what do you mean by PTS? post traumatic stress? i thought it was PTSD clarify please
To even the argument, let's not consider the innocent ones, only the people who are serial offenders. Arguing about innocent people adds ten pages with mo resolution. [editline]12:04AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;25107423]could you please provide proof that these peoples mental illnesses cannot be treated? and wow what a choice "HMMM YOU CAN STAY IN PRISON FOREVER OR KILL YOURSELF" [editline]03:00AM[/editline] less than a live i'm thinking. it doesn't necessarily need to be cured, managed at least. also what do you mean by PTS? post traumatic stress? i thought it was PTSD clarify please[/QUOTE] PTS is how it's refferred to here. Just look at all the people who are supposedly cured who reoffends when they get out. Do you honestly want those people on the streets ruining other peoples lives?
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107452] PTS is how it's refferred to here. Just look at all the people who are supposedly cured who reoffends when they get out. Do you honestly want those people on the streets ruining other peoples lives?[/QUOTE] what do you mean? the current prison system does nothing to try and help convicts. could i get a source if you're referring to people with mental illnesses?
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107452]To even the argument, let's not consider the innocent ones, only the people who are serial offenders. Arguing about innocent people adds ten pages with mo resolution. [editline]12:04AM[/editline] PTS is how it's refferred to here. Just look at all the people who are supposedly cured who reoffends when they get out. Do you honestly want those people on the streets ruining other peoples lives?[/QUOTE] Our current jail/prison system only turns criminals into hardened criminals. It's a peice of shit like that. We need to fix that too. [editline]10:13AM[/editline] [QUOTE=teeheeV2;25107416]It takes decades to cure a person with PTS, do you have any idea how much that would cost?[/QUOTE] So what is the price of a life exactly?
The justice system should work to rehabilitate criminals and make sure they won't repeat their crimes, not punish them or, even worse, as a vengeance.
There is no price on a life, but by keeping a murderer or rapist in jail, then that's more innocent lives saved. It's 12:16 here so in going to sleep, but I'll source that reoffend thing later today. Psychologists aren't free, so they can't get to everyone, and the people that should get funded deaths are fucked in the head. I'm not sure we are talking about the same level of criminal.
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