• Voyager1 Encounters New Region in Deep Space
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[QUOTE=smeismastger;38698840]While this is a possibility, I don't think we'd be wiped out the instant someoen finds us. I think there's this other possibility that once we make our first FTL ships we'd become involved in the grand political and military schemes of the other interstellar factions in the similiar way China became part of the nuclear policies when they tested their first nuclear weapon. Wiping out a upstart race would make yourself look genocidial and a threat to everyone else.[/QUOTE] If there are space-faring civilizations closer to us than previously thought, chances are that they might've found us already. If that were the case they'd most likely leave us alone since we have nothing of value to offer them.
[QUOTE=Teh Soviet;38698768]In reality, if they can travel faster that the speed of light, or just capable of travelling such distances at all, they'll be incredibly powerful to the point of being able to harvest suns for power and so on and so forth, so [B]we'd pose no more threat than a termite[/B]. So stop getting an alien invasion hard-on.[/QUOTE] Bullshit, the moment we have the capabilities of unleashing our destructive power on their worlds (in other words, interstellar delivery systems) we will pose a threat. [QUOTE=smeismastger;38698840]While this is a possibility, I don't think we'd be wiped out the instant someoen finds us. I think there's this other possibility that once we make our first FTL ships we'd become involved in the grand political and military schemes of the other interstellar factions in the similiar way China became part of the nuclear policies when they tested their first nuclear weapon. Wiping out a upstart race would make yourself look genocidial and a threat to everyone else.[/QUOTE] Well this all depends on if there is a higher, established order and balance or if it's, as I suspect, just a chaotic interstellar battleground for survival. Both are entirely possible. Any alien races might even be friendly, what do I know. But from a purely logical viewpoint it would make sense for aliens to be hostile, "shoot first, ask questions later" types, especially when the victim could have the capabilities of shooting back in a few decades/centuries.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;38699024]Bullshit, the moment we have the capabilities of unleashing our destructive power on their worlds (in other words, interstellar delivery systems) we will pose a threat. Well this all depends on if there is a higher, established order and balance or if it's, as I suspect, just a chaotic interstellar battleground for survival, just like it is on Earth. Both are entirely possible. Any alien races might even be friendly, what do I know. But from a purely logical viewpoint it would make sense for aliens to be hostile, "shoot first, ask questions later" types, especially when victim could have the capabilities of shooting back in a few decades/centuries.[/QUOTE] Considering that they would be even more technologically advanced if they managed to find us first, they would probably have thought about the exact same thing, and might even have ways to protect themselves against a possible attack (though this requires them to know what kind of technology we have, that's not entirely out of the question either, in any case they would know that they are more advanced than us). Though as said, that's no reason not to be able to protect ourselves in case we are attacked, but we shouldn't simply shoot at sight.
[QUOTE=Craptasket;38696956]Maybe is sends a good bye message before depletion. :([/QUOTE] Then aliens find it, and send it back with best regards and a new, way more advanced power source.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;38699024]Bullshit, the moment we have the capabilities of unleashing our destructive power on their worlds (in other words, interstellar delivery systems) we will pose a threat. Well this all depends on if there is a higher, established order and balance or if it's, as I suspect, just a chaotic interstellar battleground for survival. Both are entirely possible. Any alien races might even be friendly, what do I know. But from a purely logical viewpoint it would make sense for aliens to be hostile, "shoot first, ask questions later" types, especially when the victim could have the capabilities of shooting back in a few decades/centuries.[/QUOTE] That literally goes against the very maxim of exploration and discovery. You don't fucking shoot a Native when you first land your boat in the New World. More than likely, the aliens that would be fortunate enough to come upon Earth would be just as isolated and lonely as the Humans are.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;38699024] Well this all depends on if there is a higher, established order and balance or if it's, as I suspect, just a chaotic interstellar battleground for survival. Both are entirely possible. Any alien races might even be friendly, what do I know. [B]But from a purely logical viewpoint[/B] it would make sense for aliens to be hostile, "shoot first, ask questions later" types, especially when victim could have the capabilities of shooting back in a few decades/centuries.[/QUOTE] That is not logic, that is assuming that any race out there is as aggressive and greedy as humanity.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;38699060]Then aliens find it, and send it back with best regards and a new, way more advanced power source.[/QUOTE] Except its no longer a exploration craft and they actually set us up the bomb.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;38699046]Considering that they would be even more technologically advanced if they managed to find us first, they would probably have thought about the exact same thing, and might even have ways to protect themselves against a possible attack (though this requires them to know what kind of technology we have, that's not entirely out of the question either, in any case they would know that they are more advanced than us). Though as said, that's no reason not to be able to protect ourselves in case we are attacked, but we shouldn't simply shoot at sight.[/QUOTE] I agree, we shouldn't, but we also shouldn't scream 'til our throats are dry for someone to find us in space like we do now. It's better to, as smeismastger said, develop more as an interstellar species before we join what could potentially be a very, very dangerous interstellar scene.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;38696931]I'm somewhat surprised they included Earth's location on the disc. Here's hoping whatever intelligent life out there is not looking to subjugate.[/QUOTE] I'd rather be fucked up by aliens than not have faith in intelligent life's compassion.
[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;38699095]I agree, we shouldn't, but we also shouldn't scream 'til our throats are dry for someone to find us in space like we do now. It's better to, as smeismastger said, develop more as an interstellar species before we join what could potentially be a very, very dangerous interstellar scene.[/QUOTE] you guys watch way too much fucking sci fi you think if we encountered a more primative species 10 thousand years from now we would destroy it?
Good thing everyone here has so much experience in interstellar politics.
The chances of our messages finding aliens that A) can receive our signals and B) are capable of acting on them are pretty slim anyways. AFAIK if we ever encounter alien life, they're more likely to have stumbled upon us by accident rather than hearing and seeking us.
[QUOTE=FpShepard;38697356]I wish they made another voyager with modern technology, so it could last longer and then blast it off to space as well :v:[/QUOTE] Instead of a golden disc with information it comes with a QR code printed and bluetooth.
[QUOTE=krail9;38699139]you guys watch way too much fucking sci fi you think if we encountered a more primative species 10 thousand years from now we would destroy it?[/QUOTE] That depends upon how much oil they have.
[QUOTE=MIPS;38697162]Cosmic drag will eventually stop it.[/QUOTE] Cosmic drag? Sounds kinky
I'm kinda saddened by the pure focus on material gain from other potential civilizations. I mean, its a shame we aren't at the level of full-fledged human exploration, but what happened to the enthusiasm of the human spirit of exploration? Learning more about space and then perhaps learning more about other civilizations.
[QUOTE=sltungle;38698436]Everybody says stuff like this, but they never give a convincing explanation as to WHY they'd want to kill us all. Why are the aliens necessarily going to be as immature as we are as a species and kill for next to no reason? For all we know they have a much greater respect for life (perhaps after realising how thinly spread it is through the cosmos) and thus they have nothing but benevolent intentions. If ANYBODY was the instigator of an interstellar war between humanity and an alien species I'd imagine without a shadow of a doubt in my mind that it'd be us.[/QUOTE] human values are extraordinarily complex, the chances of an alien intelligence having similar values to us is infinitesimal. they just wouldn't care about us.
[QUOTE=sam.clarke;38700455]That depends upon how much oil they have.[/QUOTE] Unobtainium*
Genuine question. Would the Voyager ever go 'out of range' to the point of no longer being able to get any more data from it?
[QUOTE=PikachuX1000;38700659]Genuine question. Would the Voyager ever go 'out of range' to the point of no longer being able to get any more data from it?[/QUOTE] The radio signals wouldn't loose strength in the "vacuum" of space, unlike in air. They'll continue to propagate back to earth unless some object blocks/deflects the signal.
If my rudimentary of knowledge of chemistry is correct then even long after its death, Voyager will still be there in space, within the abyss of darkness and stars, to rest within the deep recesses of space perhaps far after humanity has died. And then, one day, a young alien race has made its foothold in the means of interstellar travel and they discover the remnants of Voyager and within it the golden disk. The race becomes jubilant, happy at the idea that they are not alone, and as they race for our planet to make contact, they thank little Voyager. And yet, as they approach Earth, it is desolate, empty, and this race would but think to themselves, "What an amazing society, what great people, and yet now gone and lost into the tomes of the past."
If I recall correctly the micro-impacts of space debris and atoms will grind it down gradually until it looks like a street-sign in hilly-billy land and sooner or later falls apart long before it stops.
we should launch a more updated satellite that is lighter, goes further, and is faster. just so that NASA can update all their computers [editline]4th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=vizard38;38700697]If my rudimentary of knowledge of chemistry is correct then even long after its death, Voyager will still be there in space, within the abyss of darkness and stars, to rest within the deep recesses of space perhaps far after humanity has died. And then, one day, a young alien race has made its foothold in the means of interstellar travel and they discover the remnants of Voyager and within it the golden disk. The race becomes jubilant, happy at the idea that they are not alone, and as they race for our planet to make contact, they thank little Voyager. And yet, as they approach Earth, it is desolate, empty, and this race would but think to themselves, "What an amazing society, what great people, and yet now gone and lost into the tomes of the past."[/QUOTE] they taught you that in chem?
[QUOTE=areolop;38700825]we should launch a more updated satellite that is lighter, goes further, and is faster. just so that NASA can update all their computers [/QUOTE] [t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/New_horizons_Pluto.jpg[/t] [IMG]http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/mission/images/trajectoryImage.jpg[/IMG] Everyone's forgotten about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons]New Horizons?[/url]
i want to hug Voyager
Why are they so slow? Seems as if we could get something to go a fuck load faster then 15Km/s
[QUOTE=OvB;38697524]Imagine if we found some other species version of Voyager.[/QUOTE] And imagine if we found it long after all the current Facepunch users were long-rotten.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38700910]Why are they so slow? Seems as if we could get something to go a fuck load faster then 15Km/s[/QUOTE] Because energy is a bitch and 15km/s is pretty fast.
[QUOTE=laserguided;38700910]Why are they so slow? Seems as if we could get something to go a fuck load faster then 15Km/s[/QUOTE] Because fuel for rockets and thrusters
I love this thread, reading about it is just so awesomely thought-provoking.
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