• Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds
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[QUOTE=Combine 177;51064157]Rape solves everything. /s[/QUOTE] what the fuck?
as others have said it's about the work culture, mostly the old men running all of the big companies and forcing an extremely harmful hierarchy on people. women who work in big companies can't ask for maternity leave without getting fired for some bullshit made up reason all the happiest and most sex-having people i know here are students, people who work at small progressive companies or freelancers/self-employed. office life in ol nippon is definitely not the good shit [QUOTE=Morbo!!!;51064235]Western societies are getting there[/QUOTE] nah, not even close
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;51064047]topics for your predictable jokes: Hentai, body pillows, anime[/QUOTE] The thing about that kinda stuff is that people don't realize that hentai, body pillows, virtual girlfriends, ecchi anime, all that sort of shit, is that it's not the cause, but the consequence. Japanese society creates the need for weeb shit because of just how sexually frustrated the Japanese youth is. The youths need to work and study extremely hard to get anywhere in society, which leaves them with no time for dating or holding a relationship, and that is further complicated with how due to cultural norms it is unacceptable to be too forward and direct when approaching somebody, even more so at school or work. The solution is to of course allow people to have more free time o they can socialize but since this a cultural thing, it is not as straightforward as lowering the amount of work hours.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51064082]I will solve this problem[/QUOTE] Beaten to the punchline again
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;51064207]I was watching a short clip on the Japanese game studio Polyphony making the first Gran Turismo game in the late 90's. They had mattresses on the floor in the cramped office so they could essentially live there. One guy said he only went home twice a week and it was to shower. Then there's this: [url=http://imgur.com/u5bctWV][img]http://i.imgur.com/u5bctWVl.jpg[/img][/url] They have no chill when it comes to work.[/QUOTE] You can blame that on their ridiculously low unemployment rates and draconian immigration laws. Japan needs more workers, but they can't get any so instead they increase working hours to compensate.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;51064196] I am not even saying that the third world isn't going to be a problem but right now, the average single person in a developed country consumes several times more then the average African family.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid that's not "average single person's" problem. The living conditions in shitholes aren't going to improve any if everyone else dies out. "The west is stealing poor people's food" is a nice narrative and all but its relationship with reality leaves a lot to be desired.
Glad to know I'm already contributing to the solution. One baby down, 127 million more to go. [IMG]http://jesusfuck.me/di/CMGJ/clipboard01.jpg[/IMG] That being said, I'd like to point out that the problem is more multifaceted and complex that it's made out to be by the news so take articles like this with a grain of salt.
[QUOTE=Ta16;51064357]Glad to know I'm already contributing to the solution. One baby down, 127 million more to go. [IMG]http://jesusfuck.me/di/CMGJ/clipboard01.jpg[/IMG] That being said, I'd like to point out that the problem is more multifaceted and complex that it's made out to be by the news so take articles like this with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE] At least elaborate please. I never thought thought this was a black and white issue and Japan is a place I've always wanted to visit or even move to at some point in my life but if there's more to it, tell the uninformed what it is. To end up in a situation like this takes something extraordinary, and something is fundamentally wrong if the population decides that having children is [i]this[/i] bad. Hearing the opinion of someone on the inside that decided against the status quo would mean a lot to me. Please, give me your perspective on the issue.
[quote] It gets worse: Around 42 percent of men and 44.2 percent of women admitted that they were virgins.[/quote] That is kinda funny how even that is. It shows that the issue isn't a lack of availability in either sex but simply that they're not interacting. And I doubt any of them WANT to be virgins so this seems like a complex issue of courtship. Bluntly the people who want it aren't meeting the people who want it.
Japan has a great number of virgins. Japan has a great number of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_volcanoes_in_Japan"]volcanoes[/URL]. The solution seems obvious to me.
the problems are deeper and bigger than a lot of people like to admit japan doesn't have enough construction and sanitation workers, electricians, carpenters, plasterers, bricklayers, glaziers, welders, etc to actually build and maintain japan far too few people are going into those jobs, and as a result virtually all of the infrastructure in japan is coming under increasing strain due to labour shortages. the tokyo olympics is actually making this much worse because due to labour shortages the projects will either face delays or will take workers from other essential projects to finish it on time. there's quite a few industries in japan which are starting to struggle now because of the lack of people in another decade or two i seriously wonder how a shrunken and aged workforce is going to actively maintain the vital infrastructure of the nation
Japan's problem is they want to keep their country Japanese. They don't want to import SE Asian immigrants
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51064584]Japan's problem is they want to keep their country Japanese. They don't want to import SE Asian immigrants[/QUOTE] People from whole World have been migrating to Germany for the last 50 years and it still lost almost 2 million people since 2000. The problem is much deeper than that. [QUOTE=Ta16;51064357]Glad to know I'm already contributing to the solution. One baby down, 127 million more to go. baby.jpg That being said, I'd like to point out that the problem is more multifaceted and complex that it's made out to be by the news so take articles like this with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE] Congrats, but unless that is your third child you aren't doing anything yet.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;51064608]People from whole World have been migrating to Germany for the last 50 years and it still lost almost 2 million people since 2000. The problem is much deeper than that.[/QUOTE] And they would have been far worse off if they hadn't.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;51064608]People from whole World have been migrating to Germany for the last 50 years and it still lost almost 2 million people since 2000. The problem is much deeper than that.[/QUOTE] That's not a good direct comparison. We'd have to look at German immigration quotas to see if they're letting in floods of people or not
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51064614]That's not a good direct comparison. We'd have to look at German immigration quotas to see if they're letting in floods of people or not[/QUOTE] Today 21% of German population is of foreign origin, that is 17 million people. [URL="http://english.aawsat.com/2016/09/article55358514/21-german-society-foreign-roots"]http://english.aawsat.com/2016/09/article55358514/21-german-society-foreign-roots[/URL]
you can't rely on immigration when much of the world also has sub-replacement fertility rates china, every country in europe (including russia), the united states, japan, persia, the caucasian nations, brazil, chile, australia, cuba, and new zealand all have these problems. north africa, the rest of the new world, the rest of asia (save for pakistan notably and a handful of other countries), are all rapidly approaching this level too. relying on immigration to fix the problem isn't going to help when the worlds most populous nations and developed economies are all facing these problems. germany, japan, and china respectively have really big problems for them in store as a result of this. chinas working-age population is already shrinking
The solution is neither immigration or sex (at best you're simply moving the problem to a later time while creating major cultural issues), it's clear that developed countries have less children and tend to stay that way, which means the solution must be to create a society where having less children is not problematic. Which in a economic POV might mean that we need a way to support the elderly and social services without relying on younger generations contribution.
The number of self assessed Japan cultural experts here is real
[QUOTE=bunguer;51064716]The solution is neither immigration or sex (at best you're simply moving the problem to a later time while creating major cultural issues), it's clear that developed countries have less children and tend to stay that way, which means the solution must be to create a society where having less children is not problematic. Which in a economic POV might mean that we need a way to support the elderly and social services without relying on younger generations contribution.[/QUOTE] except less sex is a problem because if fertility remains below replacement rates, this means a persistent crisis as less people will continually have to support more. maintaining population stability is key if you want to begin fixing this
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51064727]except less sex is a problem because if fertility remains below replacement rates, this means a persistent crisis as less people will continually have to support more. maintaining population stability is key if you want to begin fixing this[/QUOTE] But that's why I'm saying we can't rely on having this economic model where we need ~2 childs per household. The trend is clear, once a country reaches a certain stage, people have less children and it's a situation that is tremendously difficult to solve - if you can solve it all. The solution is that our society can't be dependent on having so many children, we need to develop a new social system, and with the technological advances we're moving towards that way. For instance, it's likely we won't be able to pay any money for the non-working elderly but with the right social systems and the right efficiency (automation) that might not be an issue.
Isn't it really hard to raise a family / keep relationships up in Japan? I often hear about how stupid their work hours are, which makes it really hard to focus on anything else.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;51064776]Isn't it really hard to raise a family / keep relationships up in Japan? I often hear about how stupid their work hours are, which makes it really hard to focus on anything else.[/QUOTE] Germany has a lot of benefits and nicer working conditions and the problem remains. So while there might be some truth behind that statement, it can't be the only cause.
Yellow fever doesn't sound so bad all of a sudden.
[QUOTE=LSK;51064424]At least elaborate please. I never thought thought this was a black and white issue and Japan is a place I've always wanted to visit or even move to at some point in my life but if there's more to it, tell the uninformed what it is. To end up in a situation like this takes something extraordinary, and something is fundamentally wrong if the population decides that having children is [I]this[/I] bad. Hearing the opinion of someone on the inside that decided against the status quo would mean a lot to me. Please, give me your perspective on the issue.[/QUOTE] Sorry I guess I should have elaborated. A lot of couples are deterred from having children because it's too expensive. Cost of living is a ridiculous anywhere in the country (on average about $36,000 per household basic needs only), so by having a child you effectively halve your household income. Although firing someone for being pregnant is technically illegal in Japan it isn't very well enforced and when it is, it's extremely frowned upon by companies here, and women can generally expect stiff and even career killing bias from Management when they return (Not all companies do this though) as it forces the company to hire a replacement making you look like a bad employee who doesn't put the companies best interest in mind (It's a Japanese work culture thing, I dunno). It's common to see older women who never married or had kids because it would mean giving up a job they enjoy (Or the large salary it comes with) and have worked so long to reach a high position on. There's also the matter of raising the kids, affordable daycare is extremely rare, when they get older most Japanese consider it a huge money sink to pay for their kids after school activities, hobbies, uniforms etc. Ironically while simultaneously undermining their own effort, the Government has long pushed huge campaigns to raise birth rates. a $4,000 lump sum is issued to house holds for every birth plus about $150 ever month for the first 6 months. Most Prenatal and OB/GYN visits for pregnant women are paid for by the Government in an attempt to encourage couples to have children. It's not like the Government isn't trying but I feel like they're not really trying enough to combat the issue, however they are apparently looking into passing immigration reforms. Statistically though, even if every Japanese person in the current generation paired up and had a kid, they'd still be breading at a deficit, two to break even and 3 for any sort of population growth, [B]suffice to say this trend isn't going to change in our lifetime. [/B] I asked my wife if she had any inputs on this and she mentions the above and the fact that most younger Japanese are increasingly selfish see relationships as a hassle and a money sink so they'd rather spend the money on themselves and their own interests which I see as well. I didn't touch on everything because it's 11pm here and I'm tired (baby). If you're interested in more statistics I HIGHLY recommend going to the [URL="http://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/nenkan/index.htm"]Statistics Bureau's Website [/URL] It's basically statics/spreedsheet porn. [QUOTE=goon165;51064452]That is kinda funny how even that is. It shows that the issue isn't a lack of availability in either sex but simply that they're not interacting. And I doubt any of them WANT to be virgins so this seems like a complex issue of courtship. Bluntly the people who want it aren't meeting the people who want it.[/QUOTE] I blame boat waifus.
[QUOTE=Ta16;51064907]Sorry I guess I should have elaborated.[/QUOTE] Thank you for taking the time for doing so, it was very insightful. Fucking boat waifus.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51064622]you can't rely on immigration when much of the world also has sub-replacement fertility rates china, every country in europe (including russia), the united states, japan, persia, the caucasian nations, brazil, chile, australia, cuba, and new zealand all have these problems. north africa, the rest of the new world, the rest of asia (save for pakistan notably and a handful of other countries), are all rapidly approaching this level too. relying on immigration to fix the problem isn't going to help when the worlds most populous nations and developed economies are all facing these problems. germany, japan, and china respectively have really big problems for them in store as a result of this. chinas working-age population is already shrinking[/QUOTE] but i thought the world was overpopulated and unsustainable
[QUOTE=Reds;51064161]Considering Japan's culture involves an unhealthy amount of "work non-stop until you die", I can't exactly blame people for being less than enthusiastic about having children.[/QUOTE] Welcome to America. PS don't tell the millenials.
[QUOTE=Valiantttt;51064123]to be honest, in the long run it is better if the population of Earth shrinks. Even more so in western countries.[/QUOTE] Ecologically speaking maybe - otherwise it's a pretty big stretch to say this. Economies are built on population growth
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51064622]you can't rely on immigration when much of the world also has sub-replacement fertility rates china, every country in europe (including russia), the united states, japan, persia, the caucasian nations, brazil, chile, australia, cuba, and new zealand all have these problems. north africa, the rest of the new world, the rest of asia (save for pakistan notably and a handful of other countries), are all rapidly approaching this level too. relying on immigration to fix the problem isn't going to help when the worlds most populous nations and developed economies are all facing these problems. germany, japan, and china respectively have really big problems for them in store as a result of this. chinas working-age population is already shrinking[/QUOTE] Hang on now, we have the fecking highest birthrate in Europe and our population is still growing. Just because the rest of ye in Europe cant get the shift isnt our fault. Ye need to get to fecking, like we are. I saw this as a man whos never kissed a woman.
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