• Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds
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Ok what exactly the historical effects of a baby bust? In America there were the boomers. So I am feeling the effects first hand. The opposite? Never.
[QUOTE=Guriosity;51065250]Ok what exactly the historical effects of a baby bust? In America there were the boomers. So I am feeling the effects first hand. The opposite? Never.[/QUOTE] No you're not. You're starting to feel the effects of Gen X, which was our latest baby bust. America is about to lose a lot of workers and have a LOT more people using pensions which is one of the reasons people are constantly pushing cutting them.
i'd fit right in
[QUOTE=Ta16;51064907] I asked my wife if she had any inputs on this and she mentions the above and the fact that most younger Japanese are increasingly selfish see relationships as a hassle and a money sink so they'd rather spend the money on themselves and their own interests which I see as well. I blame boat waifus.[/QUOTE] Hmm, this reminded of a piece of information I've heard somewhere. Some people, instead of having a relationship, resort to computer software and dating simulators, which may seem for accessible and favourable to them due to a number of factors, including time, money etc. Fucken bejewelled with boobs or some shit
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51065336]No you're not. You're starting to feel the effects of Gen X, which was our latest baby bust. America is about to lose a lot of workers and have a LOT more people using pensions which is one of the reasons people are constantly pushing cutting them.[/QUOTE] Still doesnt change my question. It may answer it a little bit but not over all. What exactly the historical effects of a baby bust?
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51064082]I will solve this problem[/QUOTE] Such a big disappointment will only make it worse.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;51064934]but i thought the world was overpopulated and unsustainable[/QUOTE] It is, you do realise the two are not irreconcilable, right? Declining population of humans is good for the world, but only if our rate of consumption of resources goes down, which it isn't.
They need to limit their workforce to a 40 hour work week or something, anything to encourage people to have time to get together
there's way too many old people here like, one of the teachers at school told us not to give up priority seats to old people on the tokyo commuting trains because there's so many of them with the disproportionate population that we'd never get seats if we did. and because there's so many old people, progressive political things like gay marriage and such have a very tough time getting anywhere make em stand, strain those elderly legs. so they die earlier
[QUOTE=Eric95;51065588]there's way too many old people here like, one of the teachers at school told us not to give up priority seats to old people on the tokyo commuting trains because there's so many of them with the disproportionate population that we'd never get seats if we did. and because there's so many old people, progressive political things like gay marriage and such have a very tough time getting anywhere make em stand, strain those elderly legs. so they die earlier[/QUOTE] Do you think the companies will hire me as a construction worker? I'm young and able
[QUOTE=usaokay;51064088]So when the terrorists commit suicide, they go to Japan? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting - C'mon, you should know better." - Bradyns))[/highlight][/QUOTE] How the fuck was this bannable? Is Bradyns an SJW? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Not the place to discuss bans" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=LSK;51064424]At least elaborate please. I never thought thought this was a black and white issue and Japan is a place I've always wanted to visit or even move to at some point in my life but if there's more to it, tell the uninformed what it is. To end up in a situation like this takes something extraordinary, and something is fundamentally wrong if the population decides that having children is [i]this[/i] bad. Hearing the opinion of someone on the inside that decided against the status quo would mean a lot to me. Please, give me your perspective on the issue.[/QUOTE] There's a lot of perceptions about Japan that don't really realize how ass-backwards a lot of elements of its laws, government and society can be. When no one wants to budge on their tradition, even with western influences, it can get pretty dodgy. For example, you don't want to be an open anime/manga lover in Japan. You'll be ostracized. Being an otaku is the equivalent of a fanboy, so you can be an otaku for anything technically, but you have to be careful about the term. You also don't want to be abnormal in any physical or mental way, because, well, they ostracize and treat you horribly over it and/or treat it as a failure of the parents (usually the mother). So having any sort of autism means your mother is a screw-up in society's eyes and your peers at school may completely ignore your existence or even torment you for being different from everyone else and the teachers and adults usually look the other way. Going against the normal grain also labels you as some weirdo that demeans what they stand for. Also, for as much as they adore western culture, they [i]loathe[/i] foreigners, especially when it comes to workplace and traditionalist pride. A large amount of Japan wants things to remain as they were, and leave the big problems to someone else. It's like the concept of bystander syndrome, except extended to a vast majority of the populace and imposed on the entire country's issues rather than the personal problems of one another.
[QUOTE=usaokay;51064088]So when the terrorists commit suicide, they go to Japan? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitposting - C'mon, you should know better." - Bradyns))[/highlight][/QUOTE] This is an example of someone who didn't get the 72 Virgin's joke behind this, or just really hates mentioning terrorism even in a joking sense. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Here is someone going Off-topic" - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51064128]How the hell is that better for anyone?[/QUOTE] It lets the government control the population without having to oppress anyone, if people dont want to fuck the gov can just make up the missing population in their cloning facilities.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;51065655]This is an example of someone who didn't get the 72 Virgin's joke behind this, or just really hates mentioning terrorism even in a joking sense.[/QUOTE] Or maybe he got it and it was a stupid joke and doesn't really belong in the thread.
[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51065674]Or maybe he got it and it was a stupid joke and doesn't really belong in the thread.[/QUOTE] Your opinion is nice but I got a chuckle from it. To each his own.
I honesty don't see how a decrease of population is bad in the long term. Sure it's gonna be a struggle in the short term. The smaller younger generation will have to take care of a large old generation. The problem being that 30 year gap where old people need houses, infrastructure food, etc to live, but they are too old to take care of it themselves and there are too few young people to do it. Luckily our society starts to get more and more automated, which means you need fewer people to uphold current living standards. So this problem could in theory be solved by supplementing our missing young workforce with automation? (at least I hope so!). After the older generations die things start to get easier. All the infrastructure and buildings that aren't needed anymore can just be removed. Less people means you need less of that anyway. We also love blowing stuff up so that's gonna be fun.The land we free can be turned into forests again to help cancel out our climate change issues. You can also clear up 10s of thousands of acres of land that's no longer needed for agriculture and turn it back into forests. Just look how much of our land is dedicated to agriculture on e.g. google maps, it's absolutely crazy! And if we had 10% less people you literally free up 10% of that space. (forests are dark green, while agriculture is light green). Look how little forests are left in for example Europe and how much is dedicated just to feeding humans directly (or indirectly through meat production, which wastes ~30% of our land alone just for luxury food mostly.. but that's a sinkhole I don't want to open right now). In the end less people means more space and more resources per individual. Prices should go down on land and property. Pollution goes down a shit ton (after all less people = less production, garbage and emissions) again a lot better if we want to sustain ourselves and the planet long term. Now just hope war doesn't happen and a billion people from china march upon your small peasant population of a dozen million muhaha. But if we give everyone nukes we no longer need people to fight our wars and MAD will protect ya so that's another problem solved :v:. I know it's not this simple in the end. But still I don't see how it's a bad thing to have less people on this planet. I have never talked to [URL="http://www.worldometers.info/watch/world-population/"]99.9999999%[/URL] of you guys anyway.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;51065637]Also, for as much as they adore western culture,[/QUOTE] They do? Since when?
[QUOTE=maurits150;51065803]I honesty don't see how a decrease of population is bad in the long term. Sure it's gonna be a struggle in the short term. The smaller younger generation will have to take care of a large old generation. The problem being that 30 year gap where old people need houses, infrastructure food, etc to live, but they are too old to take care of it themselves and there are too few young people to do it. Luckily our society starts to get more and more automated, which means you need fewer people to uphold current living standards. So this problem could in theory be solved by supplementing our missing young workforce with automation? (at least I hope so!). After the older generations die things start to get easier. All the infrastructure and buildings that aren't needed anymore can just be removed. Less people means you need less of that anyway. We also love blowing stuff up so that's gonna be fun.The land we free can be turned into forests again to help cancel out our climate change issues. You can also clear up 10s of thousands of acres of land that's no longer needed for agriculture and turn it back into forests. Just look how much of our land is dedicated to agriculture on e.g. google maps, it's absolutely crazy! And if we had 10% less people you literally free up 10% of that space. (forests are dark green, while agriculture is light green). Look how little forests are left in for example Europe and how much is dedicated just to feeding humans directly (or indirectly through meat production, which wastes ~30% of our land alone just for luxury food mostly.. but that's a sinkhole I don't want to open right now). In the end less people means more space and more resources per individual. Prices should go down on land and property. Pollution goes down a shit ton (after all less people = less production, garbage and emissions) again a lot better if we want to sustain ourselves and the planet long term. Now just hope war doesn't happen and a billion people from china march upon your small peasant population of a dozen million muhaha. But if we give everyone nukes we no longer need people to fight our wars and MAD will protect ya so that's another problem solved :v:. I know it's not this simple in the end. But still I don't see how it's a bad thing to have less people on this planet. I have never talked to 99.9999999% of you guys anyway.[/QUOTE] reading this actually makes me feel good [editline]17th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hakimhakim;51065594]Do you think the companies will hire me as a construction worker? I'm young and able[/QUOTE] there's plenty of construction work available in japan based on what my friends here who do that kind of work have told me. non-japanese friends
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;51065856]They do? Since when?[/QUOTE] From McDonald's and western companies making their stand (I literally saw a KFC on a random street I went to on google maps years ago), to marketing and business relationships, and the fact that they just seem to really find a lot of American and western culture in general really neat. There's a reason why western influence has creeped into a lot of their media in various ways. They really want to adapt a lot of our things into their culture and are incredibly open-minded to it, if it doesn't fight against certain stronger values instilled in them. It's the people they don't like, since a lot of foreigners are ignorant or insult them on circumstances said foreigners may not even remotely know about. But a man who understands the culture can avoid problems usually (though I may be wrong on that). I'd say that ever since the fifties they've been doing it, and after the fear and loathing slowly washed over from WWII, Japan's held open arms for a lot of our stuff.
[QUOTE=maurits150;51065803]I honesty don't see how a decrease of population is bad in the long term. Sure it's gonna be a struggle in the short term. The smaller younger generation will have to take care of a large old generation. The problem being that 30 year gap where old people need houses, infrastructure food, etc to live, but they are too old to take care of it themselves and there are too few young people to do it. Luckily our society starts to get more and more automated, which means you need fewer people to uphold current living standards. So this problem could in theory be solved by supplementing our missing young workforce with automation? (at least I hope so!). After the older generations die things start to get easier. All the infrastructure and buildings that aren't needed anymore can just be removed. Less people means you need less of that anyway. We also love blowing stuff up so that's gonna be fun.The land we free can be turned into forests again to help cancel out our climate change issues. You can also clear up 10s of thousands of acres of land that's no longer needed for agriculture and turn it back into forests. Just look how much of our land is dedicated to agriculture on e.g. google maps, it's absolutely crazy! And if we had 10% less people you literally free up 10% of that space. (forests are dark green, while agriculture is light green). Look how little forests are left in for example Europe and how much is dedicated just to feeding humans directly (or indirectly through meat production, which wastes ~30% of our land alone just for luxury food mostly.. but that's a sinkhole I don't want to open right now). In the end less people means more space and more resources per individual. Prices should go down on land and property. Pollution goes down a shit ton (after all less people = less production, garbage and emissions) again a lot better if we want to sustain ourselves and the planet long term. Now just hope war doesn't happen and a billion people from china march upon your small peasant population of a dozen million muhaha. But if we give everyone nukes we no longer need people to fight our wars and MAD will protect ya so that's another problem solved :v:. I know it's not this simple in the end. But still I don't see how it's a bad thing to have less people on this planet. I have never talked to [URL="http://www.worldometers.info/watch/world-population/"]99.9999999%[/URL] of you guys anyway.[/QUOTE] That's all and well if you were isolated from other Countries and such, but Japan is next to China which has shown to be extremely imperialistic. If Japan does start having a heavy population decrease it might make China the more keen on trying to flex their might in the Pacific. Which is what I worry about. The problem with this is that it's all Game Theory when dealing with countries. The less population you have the less able you're going to compete with neighbouring countries. It would be better if we saw a population decrease across the board instead in only western countries.
[QUOTE=maurits150;51065803]Stuff[/QUOTE] It's a matter of there being too much of an older population putting strain on the economic system and there not being enough young taxpayers to support it, what is the government going to do when it has no more money to spend? It's happening in more countries than just Japan.
[QUOTE=Eric95;51065880]there's plenty of construction work available in japan based on what my friends here who do that kind of work have told me. non-japanese friends[/QUOTE] iirc japan doesn't issue work visas for "unskilled" work, which usually means anything that doesn't have a degree behind it there.
[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;51065941]It's a matter of there being too much of an older population putting strain on the economic system and there not being enough young taxpayers to support it, what is the government going to do when it has no more money to spend? It's happening in more countries than just Japan.[/QUOTE] Like the US, for instance. There isnt enough youth to pay for all these boomers
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;51064128]How the hell is that better for anyone?[/QUOTE] Probably in that there's less strain on natural resources?
[QUOTE=bunguer;51064716]The solution is neither immigration or sex (at best you're simply moving the problem to a later time while creating major cultural issues), it's clear that developed countries have less children and tend to stay that way, which means the solution must be to create a society where having less children is not problematic. Which in a economic POV might mean that we need a way to support the elderly and social services without relying on younger generations contribution.[/QUOTE] there is a reason that japan is leading the world in robotics and automation.
[QUOTE=maurits150;51065803]I honesty don't see how a decrease of population is bad in the long term. Sure it's gonna be a struggle in the short term. The smaller younger generation will have to take care of a large old generation. The problem being that 30 year gap where old people need houses, infrastructure food, etc to live, but they are too old to take care of it themselves and there are too few young people to do it. Luckily our society starts to get more and more automated, which means you need fewer people to uphold current living standards. So this problem could in theory be solved by supplementing our missing young workforce with automation? (at least I hope so!). After the older generations die things start to get easier. All the infrastructure and buildings that aren't needed anymore can just be removed. Less people means you need less of that anyway. We also love blowing stuff up so that's gonna be fun.The land we free can be turned into forests again to help cancel out our climate change issues. You can also clear up 10s of thousands of acres of land that's no longer needed for agriculture and turn it back into forests. Just look how much of our land is dedicated to agriculture on e.g. google maps, it's absolutely crazy! And if we had 10% less people you literally free up 10% of that space. (forests are dark green, while agriculture is light green). Look how little forests are left in for example Europe and how much is dedicated just to feeding humans directly (or indirectly through meat production, which wastes ~30% of our land alone just for luxury food mostly.. but that's a sinkhole I don't want to open right now). In the end less people means more space and more resources per individual. Prices should go down on land and property. Pollution goes down a shit ton (after all less people = less production, garbage and emissions) again a lot better if we want to sustain ourselves and the planet long term. Now just hope war doesn't happen and a billion people from china march upon your small peasant population of a dozen million muhaha. But if we give everyone nukes we no longer need people to fight our wars and MAD will protect ya so that's another problem solved :v:. I know it's not this simple in the end. But still I don't see how it's a bad thing to have less people on this planet. I have never talked to [URL="http://www.worldometers.info/watch/world-population/"]99.9999999%[/URL] of you guys anyway.[/QUOTE] Ahhh. Solid facts to back up my 'the world needs global depopulation' theory
[QUOTE=maurits150;51065803]Luckily our society starts to get more and more automated, which means you need fewer people to uphold current living standards. So this problem could in theory be solved by supplementing our missing young workforce with automation? (at least I hope so!).[/quote] automation can't run forever, it's a process limited by the constraints of economics and technology japans economy is stagnant/shrinking, and few people are willing to be risky. consumer confidence is poor and its hard to actually get people in japan to spend money. to develop automation, one needs a workforce skilled in technology (one that is currently shrinking). automation isn't replacing this fast enough, and the more the population shrinks, the harder this will be to avert. one also needs a strong economy (one japan lacks), and to be at the forefront of science and technology (something that's hard when your pool of potential inventors is getting smaller and smaller) [quote]After the older generations die things start to get easier. All the infrastructure and buildings that aren't needed anymore can just be removed. Less people means you need less of that anyway. We also love blowing stuff up so that's gonna be fun.The land we free can be turned into forests again to help cancel out our climate change issues.[/quote] a lot of the land is being abandoned and it's actually creating more problems than it solves. loads of rural villages and towns struggle because of tax revenues declining, schools lacking teachers, etc. a lot of kids in japan have to actually travel further distances because schools are shutting down all over the country. the recovery in wildlife is a double-edged sword too since animal attacks are on the rise again, while abandoned buildings pose fire risks and may collapse. the biggest problem of all is that this isn't ending. the older generations dying out doesn't solve the problem because young people still aren't having children. the population is continuing to shrink and unless that is stopped then japan is going to come under increasing strain. schools are closing. universities are running out of students. the railways, roads, sewers, electrical and phone lines don't have enough people to repair and look after them. there aren't enough nurses and doctors in hospitals. the number of researchers, developers, scientists, etc are thinning out. tax revenues are declining. i genuinely fear for the future of japan because it's undergoing a sustained and severe population collapse that simply saying "automation will fix it" won't do.
[QUOTE=megafat;51065367]Such a big disappointment will only make it worse.[/QUOTE] Better than a little disappointment :^)
How long until we need to start exporting Weaboos?
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