Guillermo del Toro about Working with Kojima again: "I'll do whatever the fuck he wants"
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I want them to make a Video Game and a Movie
This is literally the two of them mouthing off to Konami going "we'll make our own studio, with blackjack, and hookers"
this is precisely what i was hoping would happen when kojima split from konami, i can't wait to see what comes from this
-sNip-
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49773683]Executives.
[I]"Videogames take a long time to make and cost a lot of money, we get good money back but it can be risky sometimes. Gambling machines are cheap and fast to make and produce loads of money, why aren't we focusing on these instead?"[/I][/QUOTE]
And now Japan is cracking down hard on gambling and cryptocurrencies, so pachinko as a whole is in hot water.
You reap what you sow Konami.
what a cute couple!!
but for real, this is so huge and awesome. This is like Disney colabing with Dali, or something. Super chill artist power duo is gonna help advance art so much.
[QUOTE=RikohZX;49772769]
And the mobile and pachinko industries are becoming less desirable in Japan by the month to the point that SNK Playmore has gone out of their way to completely abandon the pachinko market and return to gaming.[/QUOTE]
I'd say mobile is still thriving in Japan since SNK Playmore did name Metal Slug Attack, which is a rehash or Metal Slug Defense, as the title for their 20th anniversary.
[QUOTE=Van-man;49774246]And now Japan is cracking down hard on gambling and cryptocurrencies, so pachinko as a whole is in hot water.
You reap what you sow Konami.[/QUOTE]
Karma is real.
In addition to this, it seems that Norman Reedus has posted a picture of the Kojima Productions logo on his instagram account.
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[URL="https://www.instagram.com/bigbaldhead/?hl=en"]It's real, by the way[/URL]
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;49775925]I'd say mobile is still thriving in Japan since SNK Playmore did name Metal Slug Attack, which is a rehash or Metal Slug Defense, as the title for their 20th anniversary.[/QUOTE]
It's selectively thriving. One mobile game for Konami did more in profits than perhaps the entire Metal Gear series. But simultaneously SEGA had Sonic Runners, which was their Sonic game for 2015, and it disappeared off the app store by November because it was a commercial failure. It's literally one gigantic crapshoot of success or failure because the mobile market is so easy to saturate, and it falls to Call of Duty-style preference situations; why bother with all these other games doing the same thing when you just prefer this particular (probably popular) one?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;49776324]the funny part is that konami totally had the information that this would be happening but decided it was worth the risk
snk knew it was a bad move to go to pachinko/pachislot so they went back to making console games[/QUOTE]
Kojima was the only good part of Konami left, anyway, really.
If only he got to keep the Fox Engine.
I don't have faith in Guillermo Del Toro. I feel like a lot of his output except for Pan's Labrynth and The Orphanage were only good to alright and I don't think anything besides those two movies were visionary because of him. This combined with his habit to announce projects that never go anywhere... I honestly do not trust him. Maybe he was responsible for some spooks in P.T. as certainly knows his way around ghosts but the guy's got bad luck.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776573]I don't have faith in Guillermo Del Toro. I feel like a lot of his output except for Pan's Labrynth and The Orphanage were only good to alright and I don't think anything besides those two movies were visionary because of him. This combined with his habit to announce projects that never go anywhere... I honestly do not trust him. Maybe he was responsible for some spooks in P.T. as certainly knows his way around ghosts but the guy's got bad luck.[/QUOTE]
Pacific Rim?
Hellboy?
And you cant actually blame him for his video game projects and Hellboy 3 never coming out, thats nowhere even NEAR his fault.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776598]Pacific Rim?
Hellboy?
And you cant actually blame him for his video game projects and Hellboy 3 never coming out, thats nowhere even NEAR his fault.[/QUOTE]
Wait, what the hell happened to Hellboy 3?
Also has NOBODY read the strain trilogy?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776598]Pacific Rim?
Hellboy?
And you cant actually blame him for his video game projects and Hellboy 3 never coming out, thats nowhere even NEAR his fault.[/QUOTE]
Hellboy is really well made movie but all of it's vision comes from the comics, it's very faithful. And Pacific Rim I don't understand the buzz around, it looks amazing and had a (single) cool fight but it was mostly a mishmash of influences. I feel like I haven't seen anything really singular from him in a large way since Pan's Labrynth.
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Also I'm not sure what happened specifically to Hellboy 3, or Haunted Mansion, or The Mountains of Madness, or INSANE, or Slaughterhouse 5 or probably Scary Stories. I know what happened to PT which fills in some blanks imo.
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[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49776605]Wait, what the hell happened to Hellboy 3?
Also has NOBODY read the strain trilogy?[/QUOTE]
Those books were only co-written by GDT right?
[QUOTE=Wii60;49773954]yep
kojima has FULL CREATIVE CONTROL and a AAA Budget from sony[/QUOTE]
god damn, it's like being a kid at a candy store to him
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776611]Hellboy is really well made movie but all of it's vision comes from the comics, it's very faithful. [/QUOTE]
Ignoring that Mignola himself said that Del Toro was allowed to have his own corner of the Hellboy franchise and takes quite a few liberties with the franchise.
Or that the movie would even remotely be like it ended up being without his involvement.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776611]And Pacific Rim I don't understand the buzz around, it looks amazing and had a (single) cool fight but it was mostly a mishmash of influences. I feel like I haven't seen anything really singular from him in a large way since Pan's Labrynth.[/QUOTE]
Ew.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776611]Also I'm not sure what happened specifically to Hellboy 3, or Haunted Mansion, or The Mountains of Madness, or INSANE, or Slaughterhouse 5 or probably Scary Stories. I know what happened to PT which fills in some blanks imo.[/QUOTE]
Literally the same shit to all of them. Greedy executives worrying about money cancel the project.
Its none of his fault in any way.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776611]Hellboy is really well made movie but all of it's vision comes from the comics, it's very faithful. And Pacific Rim I don't understand the buzz around, it looks amazing and had a (single) cool fight but it was mostly a mishmash of influences. I feel like I haven't seen anything really singular from him in a large way since Pan's Labrynth.
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Also I'm not sure what happened specifically to Hellboy 3, or Haunted Mansion, or The Mountains of Madness, or INSANE, or Slaughterhouse 5 or probably Scary Stories. I know what happened to PT which fills in some blanks imo.
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Those books were only co-written by GDT right?[/QUOTE]At least co-written I believe. Other guy was Chuck Hogan IIRC.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776611]
Those books were only co-written by GDT right?[/QUOTE]
So?
Also he's only done 3 movies since Pans Labyrinth, one of which being Hellboy which i guess doesnt count, so what are you on about exactly.
And Crimson Peak? Have you seen that.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776648]So?
Also he's only done 3 movies since Pans Labyrinth, one of which being Hellboy which i guess doesnt count, so what the fuck are you on about exactly.[/QUOTE]
Responding to my question about the strain.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;49776656]Responding to my question about the strain.[/QUOTE]
Within the context of this thread, im wondering why he thinks it matters, since it'd be a co-production with Kojima in any case.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776632]
Literally the same shit to all of them. Greedy executives worrying about money cancel the project.
Its none of his fault in any way.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we know any of that for certain. All you can be sure of is that GDT starts a bunch of projects that get green lit but don't go past that. I don't buy that it's all being greedy either, that's a cop-out; you don't offer the follow up to The Lord of the Rings trilogy to a dude whose known most for a comic book movie and two non-English movies if you're concerned about returns. You don't green light inventive reinterpretations of Disney darlings without wanting to take risks, you don't offer GDT the right to do Slaughterhouse 5 because he plays it safe. I'm sure he's been fucked over a bit, but he's been "fucked over" so many times that it just cannot be all that.
You'd think he had been blacklisted with the amount of executives who seem to want to step in his way.
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[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776648]
And Crimson Peak? Have you seen that.[/QUOTE]
Yes, Crimson Peak was intentionally like old victorian horror ghost stories/mansion films. It looks beautiful, but it's plot is generic (by intention you could say) and is hardly more than a scary story. It's serviceable, but he did that with Don't Be Afraid of the Dark too, and in ways with The Orphanage, and would have done with the Haunted Mansion.
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[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776663]Within the context of this thread, im wondering why he thinks it matters, since it'd be a co-production with Kojima in any case.[/QUOTE]
Cause he has not been given a chance to show that he's a genius or a hack by Hollywood, and I'm very cynical about GDT because he's gotten my hopes up so many times before. He's a problem child and the only output you see from him when he gets a chance is pretty middling to good.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49773683]Executives.
[I]"Videogames take a long time to make and cost a lot of money, we get good money back but it can be risky sometimes. Gambling machines are cheap and fast to make and produce loads of money, why aren't we focusing on these instead?"[/I][/QUOTE]
Jokes on them, MGSV outsold expectations, while their pachinko division fell flat last year
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776666]I don't think we know any of that for certain. All you can be sure of is that GDT starts a bunch of projects that get green lit but don't go past that. I don't buy that it's all being greedy either, that's a cop-out; you don't offer the follow up to The Lord of the Rings trilogy to a dude whose known most for a comic book movie and two non-English movies if you're concerned about returns. You don't green light inventive reinterpretations of Disney darlings without wanting to take risks, you don't offer GDT the right to do Slaughterhouse 5 because he plays it safe. I'm sure he's been fucked over a bit, but he's been "fucked over" so many times that it just cannot be all that.
You'd think he had been blacklisted with the amount of executives who seem to want to step in his way.[/QUOTE]
So you completely ignore what i said because "no but you're wrong though" as your argument.
Are you serious.
[QUOTE=Take_Opal;49776666]
Cause he has not been given a chance to show that he's a genius or a hack by Hollywood, and I'm very cynical about GDT because he's gotten my hopes up so many times before. He's a problem child and the only output you see from him when he gets a chance is pretty middling to good.[/QUOTE]
Given his track record, why would this be bad?
Even by what you've said the worst he's done is "its alright".
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776755]So you completely ignore what i said because "no but you're wrong though" as your argument.
Are you serious.
Given his track record, why would this be bad?
Even by what you've said the worst he's done is "its alright".[/QUOTE]
Why are you taking this so seriously? All I am saying is that [I]with[/I] his track record there seems to be a problem with either him or a bunch of different studios, creative teams, executives, etc. and I doubt it's everyone but him. "Are you serious." chill out dude.
I never said this would be bad. I never ever said that. I like GDT, and I liked PT I just am cautious about this and I think there is good reason to be.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;49776541]Kojima was the only good part of Konami left, anyway, really.
If only he got to keep the Fox Engine.[/QUOTE]
On the upside, SCE gives a ton of artistic freedom and money + lends developers to help develop console exclusives. Look at From Software's Demon's Souls and Bloodborne. If anything SCE will give Kojima tons of money and developers to create a great engine and a great game.
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