• Tosh.0 production assistant accidently killed by LA police
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[url]https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/224081.pdf[/url] A conclusion of a 5 year study on non lethal weapon usage. [img]http://puu.sh/84gQg.png[/img] [url]https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/232215.pdf[/url] A review of usage of non lethal weapon. [img]http://puu.sh/84gZ0.png[/img] Obliviously theres a time and place for these and not every situation is suitable for its use.
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44515392]you don't "lunge" out period. we're trained to shoot if there seems to be a deadly threat, and considering lasd only had the information that there were [b]2 men in the room, and the suspect was a thin white man with a black t[/b], anybody is a possible threat, especially when one of them is bleeding from the neck and there's a guy chasing him.[/QUOTE] Sure bud, you try to act calmly when there's a killer after you.
If you had to place the blame I guess it would be on the witness for giving inaccurate information to the police. I wasn't there so I don't know for sure every little detail, but obviously what they said wasn't true so some "witness".
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44515539]These days you have shotgun ammo that are tiny tazers. You can shoot them at a target from a pretty long range and still be accurate. How would a non-lethal action be worse tactic?[/QUOTE] We also have microwave emitters that incapacitate people by making them feel like they're on fire, that doesn't mean they're widely accessible. [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Aide;44515546]I'm sure if weapons weren't so prevalent non lethal techniques/devices would be being used more often. Even then it's not excuse to not use them.[/QUOTE] And if guns didn't exist, they'd have swords.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44515606]Sure bud, you try to act calmly when there's a killer after you.[/QUOTE] wow it's almost like i'm NOT a policeman, and i DON'T patrol south san francisco and i DON'T deal with people monday through thursday, 6 am to 4 pm, soon to be 2 am to 12 pm for graveyard shift.
wow it's almost like normal civilians don't have police training on what to do when a killer is after you
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44514878]this is what you don't do if you're in a situation where you're surrounded by police.[/QUOTE] Thanks I'll remember next time to tell my fight or flight response to fuck off
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44515728]wow it's almost like i'm NOT a policeman, and i DON'T patrol south san francisco and i DON'T deal with people monday through thursday, 6 am to 4 pm, soon to be 2 am to 12 pm for graveyard shift.[/QUOTE] So what would you do if you were running away from an assailant, move towards him, away from the police, or away from him, towards the police.
The amount of people not blaming the police in this thread is astounding. They killed a random dude trying to help and everyone acts as if it was an honest mistake.
[QUOTE=Scot;44515997]The amount of people not blaming the police in this thread is astounding. They killed a random dude trying to help and everyone acts as if it was an honest mistake.[/QUOTE] Well the victims were running at the police and they did get a call for a stabbing, so for all they knew they could have been the offenders. I'm not very keen on police, but nobody is really at fault here from what I can tell from the article. It's just a horrible outcome overall.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44515539]These days you have shotgun ammo that are tiny tazers. You can shoot them at a target from a pretty long range and still be accurate. How would a non-lethal action be worse tactic?[/QUOTE] Tasers by them self aren't always reliable. Sometimes they straight up don't work even when the needles penetrate skin. The taser shell ammo for shotguns just adds more factors for failure.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44515690]We also have microwave emitters that incapacitate people by making them feel like they're on fire, that doesn't mean they're widely accessible.[/QUOTE] Those tazer shotguns should be accessible by the police force in such a huge city.
As horrible as this is I was expecting him to of been killed during one of Toshs public filmings due to a stunt gone reeally wrong or something
[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44514878]this is what you don't do if you're in a situation where you're surrounded by police.[/QUOTE] Yeah, proper procedure for approaching trigger-happy officers is propbably what you're keeping in mind in a situation like his. He's got himself to blame
i really think more engineering should be put toward better incapacitating, non-lethal weapons too many companies pour money into better ways to kill and i really hope more is being spent on better ways not to kill. it would be wonderful to find a better alternative to carrying live weapons that have a proven reliability rate. that taser shotgun looks interesting but i'm sure we can do even better. i think a big problem is that people don't want to.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;44516378]i really think more engineering should be put toward better incapacitating, non-lethal weapons too many companies pour money into better ways to kill and i really hope more is being spent on better ways not to kill. it would be wonderful to find a better alternative to carrying live weapons that have a proven reliability rate. that taser shotgun looks interesting but i'm sure we can do even better. i think a big problem is that people don't want to.[/QUOTE] yeah i think a big part of it is basically that people are accepting police procedure as it is, where you shoot a dude cos he's running from a knife-wielding psychopath and you flinched and you were pointing a gun in his direction at the time. obviously there's not much else you can do when you're being stabbed in the neck other than run and not get stabbed in the neck, and yet the general attitude is accepting these kinds of losses, even though they could've been prevented if the police were just geared more towards avoiding them altogether. it seems pretty obvious to me, which is why i've got not idea why the bias is towards these problems being allowed.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;44516074]Well the victims were running at the police and they did get a call for a stabbing, so for all they knew they could have been the offenders. I'm not very keen on police, but nobody is really at fault here from what I can tell from the article. It's just a horrible outcome overall.[/QUOTE] You don't shoot people because you think they [I]might[/I] be offenders.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;44514977]dude comes at you covered in blood during a hostage situation when suspect is unknown i'm sorry, but what do you expect[/QUOTE] lol we do things so much differently over here it's kinda hilarious.
I can guaranree you Tosh wont even mention this,
At this rate the NYPD and LAPD are gonna kill more Americans than al-Qaeda
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[QUOTE=Buck.;44515576]Tosh is gonna tear them a new asshole on his show I bet.[/QUOTE] He'll give him a Web Redemption
[QUOTE=Buck.;44515576]Tosh is gonna tear them a new asshole on his show I bet.[/QUOTE] It's not exactly a joking matter.
[QUOTE=Tibbolax;44516766]At this rate the NYPD and LAPD are gonna kill more Americans than al-Qaeda[/QUOTE] Too late! [url]http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police-murdered-5000-innocent-civilians-since-911/172029/[/url]
I don't think the police should be punished or anything, but whenever someone dies there is no excuse for failure. You can't take back a mistake like this.
[QUOTE=Jrose14;44516608]You don't shoot people because you think they [I]might[/I] be offenders.[/QUOTE] When you only have about a second to decide in order to save someones life, sometimes you do. [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=demoguy08;44516362]Yeah, proper procedure for approaching[B] trigger-happy [/B]officers is propbably what you're keeping in mind in a situation like his. He's got himself to blame[/QUOTE] There is always a stupid ass comment accusing the officers of being "trigger happy".
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44517627]When you only have about a second to decide in order to save someones life, sometimes you do.[/QUOTE] Actually no in this country we're not supposed to execute civilians on hunches.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;44516209]Those tazer shotguns should be accessible by the police force in such a huge city.[/QUOTE] To be frank, I dont think they exist yet. Its a concept that will probably happen, but theres a lot of legal, civil, and department hurdles to get through [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Falubii;44517934]Actually no in this country we're not supposed to execute civilians on hunches.[/QUOTE] Officers are people, not computers. They cant make the right decision in an instant 100% of the time. Even if they were computers, I doubt they'd make the right decision 100% of the time in an instant.
[QUOTE=Falubii;44517934]Actually no in this country we're not supposed to execute civilians on hunches.[/QUOTE] Jeez, fucking think about the situation the cops where in for one second. What the hell happen to critical thinking skills? Really? [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] come on
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;44518011]Jeez, fucking think about the situation the cops where in for one second. What the hell happen to critical thinking skills? Really? [editline]11th April 2014[/editline] come on[/QUOTE] Thought about it for longer than a second actually. Just because we have differing opinions does not mean I put zero thought into it. The other thing I don't get: [quote]McDonald, 27, has been charged with one count of murder, two counts of attempted murder, and one count of torture. He is being held on $4-million bail.[/quote] After the LASD kills the wrong man, they blame the murder on the original suspect? I really don't think they should be able to just pin the murder on this guy. If I'm committing some petty crime (I'm aware taking hostages is not a petty crime, this is an example) and a police officer kills someone else while responding, does that become my fault?
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