Senate Bill S 510 Food Safety Modernization Act vote imminent: Would outlaw gardening.....
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Well this is going to kill a lot of the local farms we have around here. A lot of the places I'm talking about I doubt make all that much money. Throw in the $500 annual fee and upped need for upkeep and they really aren't going to be able to compete. Their prices are already high, put them even higher and who's going to want to buy?
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What the hell has happened to America?
[QUOTE=Pepin;26207976]Well this is going to kill a lot of the local farms we have around here. A lot of the places I'm talking about I doubt make all that much money. Throw in the $500 annual fee and upped need for upkeep and they really aren't going to be able to compete. Their prices are already high, put them even higher and who's going to want to buy?[/QUOTE]
[quote]The HHS will require registration and payment of a fee by any "person (excluding farms and restaurants)[/quote]
I like how you can't read
You guys know that personal gardens were already covered under existing food handling laws, just not enforced because of the sheer impossibility of it right
If you have a strawberry plant in a pot hanging in front of your window [b]nothing will change for you[/b]
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This is why even Bush did a better job. At least he wasn't screwing over citizens, all he did was send some troops overseas to tear the arabs some new assholes.
Edit: WTF, is someone else logging into my account? Every time I get on facepunch, it's like I get 20 more posts... wtf...[/QUOTE]
lol.
How's it having your head in your ass? Is it quite warm?
I have friends in the Midwest and South who are all angry over this bill due to the fact they use selling to farmers markets as a secondary income and for some a primary income.
I really do not see why the department of homeland security needs control over this. The FDA was doing just fine.
[QUOTE=Bluesummers;26208966]I have friends in the Midwest and South who are all angry over this bill due to the fact they use selling to farmers markets as a secondary income and for some a primary income.
I really do not see why the department of homeland security needs control over this. The FDA was doing just fine.[/QUOTE]
read the thread. the OP's title is a complete lie. this is just fear mongering.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26204679][URL="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-510"]Here you go.[/URL]
Source is uselessly biased, you can grow your own foods, but if you plan to sell it, you must comply with food standards. I don't really see the problem with this bill (soon to be law, goes into effect after thanksgiving), makes some good changes to the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic act.[/QUOTE]
Yeah exactly. You can grow your own foods but, when it comes to selling it that's another thing. Personally I don't have a problem with it either considering you shouldn't be selling your own grown food because you're taking away business from businesses.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;26202315]I don't think it was introduced by the president.[/QUOTE]
The President still has to sign the law before it can become legal.
I heard about this bill on the Mark Levin Show. This is the source he linked to: [url]http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/11/s_510_breezes_to_passage_in_th.html[/url]
The source also links to here: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/17/AR2010111706101.html[/url]
According to both links, the vote was to start debate on this, so it's not passed yet.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26211470]The President still has to sign the law before it can become legal.[/QUOTE]
and can you tell me how it's obama isn't being transparent here?
[QUOTE=JDK721;26209056]read the thread. the OP's title is a complete lie. this is just fear mongering.[/QUOTE]
What he said is still legit because you need a certificate for selling food at a farmer's market. It's a regressive taxed placed on poor people.
They can't enforce this though. There's no way to catch everyone who even has a small little 8x8 garden in their backyard. Practically impossible. I really don't think they give a damn about little small times things such as that anyway.
[QUOTE=Teal Moose;26213591]They can't enforce this though. There's no way to catch everyone who even has a small little 8x8 garden in their backyard. Practically impossible. I really don't think they give a damn about little small times things such as that anyway.[/QUOTE]
The bill doesn't cover home growing and gardening.
It covers the commercial aspect of farming of crops and other goods. The problem I see with this is that it will probably affect smaller farmers more than the larger ones, so farmer market types or groceries that work with local grocers might be affected by this.
But honestly this isn't anything new or surprising. "Small" Farmers have already been driven out for the past century as agribusiness asserts itself and consolidates its gains.The process has been slower in the US because of the size of the country, but one way or another it will be completed.
It seems the government is very intent on making sure that farmers cant make money. I like near a ton of farms, that the farmers are pounded in the ass quite a bit. They make literally nothing.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;26203534]worst post 2010[/QUOTE]
Worst post 2010 ^
[QUOTE=yawmwen;26213474]What he said is still legit because you need a certificate for selling food at a farmer's market. It's a regressive taxed placed on poor people.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck is it a regressive tax? The government needs to make sure the foods are safe for consumption, along with that it still is a commercial venture if they are selling to make a profit.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;26215265]How the fuck is it a regressive tax? The government needs to make sure the foods are safe for consumption, along with that it still is a commercial venture if they are selling to make a profit.[/QUOTE]
They are charging a higher tax on poor farmers than rich farmers. That's called a regressive tax.
That's backwards.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;26215340]They are charging a higher tax on poor farmers than rich farmers. That's called a regressive tax.[/QUOTE]
"Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), himself a farmer, negotiated language into the bill late Wednesday to exempt small farmers who have annual sales of less than $500,000 and sell the majority of their product directly to consumers, restaurants and retailers in their state or nearby."
Sorry, nope.
It gives powers to the FDA that I'm shocked they didn't have before for farms (access to internal records and memos and farms, and the ability to force a recall.)
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[QUOTE=Glaber;26215462]That's backwards.[/QUOTE]
"A regressive tax is a tax imposed in such a manner that the tax rate decreases as the amount subject to taxation increases."
-Wiki
Nope.
This isn't even a tax, it's just a regulatory fee.
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This is why even Bush did a better job. At least he wasn't screwing over citizens, all he did was send some troops overseas to tear the arabs some new assholes.
Edit: WTF, is someone else logging into my account? Every time I get on facepunch, it's like I get 20 more posts... wtf...[/QUOTE]
what does senate passing a bill have to do with obama.
oh no the United States government is trying to protect people
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;26215464]"Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), himself a farmer, negotiated language into the bill late Wednesday to exempt small farmers who have annual sales of less than $500,000 and sell the majority of their product directly to consumers, restaurants and retailers in their state or nearby."
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So the bill absolutely does not apply to small farmers in any way?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;26215513]This isn't even a tax, it's just a regulatory fee.[/QUOTE]
In other words a tax.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;26215836]oh no the United States government is trying to protect people[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't hold that too much for a bourgeois establishment. You should know better than that.
[QUOTE=MercZ;26215912]I wouldn't hold that too much for a bourgeois establishment. You should know better than that.[/QUOTE]
theyre regulating who does and doesnt sell food. That could sound like big business trying to disenfranchise small businesses, but it sounds more like the government trying to make sure some asshat doesnt just grow some food with harmful chemicals and sells them at some farmers market, or tries to make cheap, shitty food and sells it at farmers markets.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;26216014]theyre regulating who does and doesnt sell food. That could sound like big business trying to disenfranchise small businesses, but it sounds more like the government trying to make sure some asshat doesnt just grow some food with harmful chemicals and sells them at some farmers market, or tries to make cheap, shitty food and sells it at farmers markets.[/QUOTE]
And yet we still get problems with salmonella infected foods getting out into the market.
I don't know, may be I'm not as confident in it as you are. I can see the reasoning with the FDA and indeed I think it is a necessary function- but I don't think it really carries out its function like its supposed to any more. In fact many of these regulatory agencies have a tendency to get co-opted by the same people they are supposed to regulate. Such is the downfall of a state that is ultimately meant to serve the interests of such groups.
This is what many Marxists or socialists, myself included, hold as well.
[QUOTE=MercZ;26216775]And yet we still get problems with salmonella infected foods getting out into the market.
I don't know, may be I'm not as confident in it as you are. I can see the reasoning with the FDA and indeed I think it is a necessary function- but I don't think it really carries out its function like its supposed to any more. In fact many of these regulatory agencies have a tendency to get co-opted by the same people they are supposed to regulate. Such is the downfall of a state that is ultimately meant to serve the interests of such groups.[/QUOTE]
:911: In the corporations we trust!
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Beware the communist Kenyan space lizards, they're trying to steal your right to garden.
Nothing wrong with this bill, and to be completely honest I'm more surprised that there wasn't already a law like this one. You and your shitty organic garden are fine, and the shitty small-time farmer with the farmer's market that your grandmother goes to down the street is fine.
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