• Mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik threatens to hunger-strike himself to death due to stricter pri
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Send him to general pop in any american prison and see how they feel about people who hurt kids.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48815675]So why perpetuate the cycle? Like why? What purpose does it serve? What does it do? Even if a few people do feel some restitution from the death of a killer, is that enough to make us kill a person? To make wronged people feel better? What if people don't want the death penalty or don't care for it? Why torture or harm a person to that extent if they're not an imminent threat? It seems wasteful, and it seems like you need people to actually indulge in the hateful side of themselves to torture or kill someone, and I don't think we should embrace that selectively. Why do you?[/QUOTE] I think he shouldn't get to have a comfortable life in prison, fuck him.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;48818940]I think he shouldn't get to have a comfortable life in prison, fuck him.[/QUOTE] Why the false dichotomy? Where did anyone say they want him to live a super cushy life? Nope, I don't recall saying that. However, take a moment, and think about your own fucked up country and how much it's prison system is a problem that will become very prominent in the future. People coming out of the american system, who suffer, and are punished and made to feel like the villains they are, they come out as villains still. What should we do? Perpetuate that cycle? Continue to make it worse? Just throw more false dichotomies at me.
Don't you know that anything other than a 2x2 concrete box is five star hotel luxury?
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48818089]I didn't ignore them. I wrote earlier that I'm giving up and leaving the argument. I just wanted to point out how stupid the psychologist shit was. And it's quote obvious that no matter how good or bad my arguments would be, you cannot be convinced. Thus I don't see the point anymore. It was fun in the beginning though.[/QUOTE] Actually, you ignored a startling amount of arguments and repeated ad nauseum phrases that mean very little without context that you never expanded upon. That's ignoring the argument. It isn't "psychologist" shit to listen to someone talk about how they wish and hope for people to be tortured for a reason that they cannot properly explain. That's not healthy.
What happened to Facepunch? I remember many years ago people were a lot more supportive of liberal punishments and treating criminals fairly. Now people are screaming for blood and think that people who do bad things don't deserve to be treated humanely.
[QUOTE]In his letter, Breivik, 36, says harsh prison conditions have forced him to drop out of a political science course at the University of Oslo. "Studying and corresponding is not humanly possible under such circumstances, and this applies to anyone who is isolated under such conditions," he wrote according to English news site The Local.[/QUOTE] Why can a murderer of 69 people study University level political science from prison when he has delusions about being the grand leader of some Anti-Islam, muslim killing organization? How does a psychopath even qualify for this? [QUOTE=paul simon;48794316][citation needed][/QUOTE] I swear some of you guys probably think we could've rehabilitated the Nazi out of Hitler if he hadn't shot himself.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;48819124]Why can a murderer of 69 people study University level political science from prison when he has delusions about being the grand leader of some Anti-Islam, muslim killing organization? How does a psychopath even qualify for this? [/quote] He's still the country's citizen? [quote] I swear some of you guys probably think we could've rehabilitated the Nazi out of Hitler if he hadn't shot himself.[/QUOTE] Arguably, keeping Hitler alive would have been one of the most difficult problems of 20th century, which is an amusing thought of it's own.
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So last time he went on a hunger strike was because he had a slightly outdated game console, now he wants to go on a hunger strike because he cant reasonably be kept safe in general population for fear of repercussions of his own actions. He killed 70 people 50 of which were children, people want him dead the prison officials are doing him a huge favor.Kinda shows what an entitled person he is.
[QUOTE=JesseR92;48819659]So last time he went on a hunger strike was because he had a slightly outdated game console, now he wants to go on a hunger strike because he cant reasonably be kept safe in general population for fear of repercussions of his own actions. He killed 70 people 50 of which were children, people want him dead the prison officials are doing him a huge favor.Kinda shows what an entitled person he is.[/QUOTE] Regardless, he does actually have the same right other prisoners have, and it has to be taken into consideration. He wouldn't be getting all this attention if the media wasn't so fixated on making headlines out of his every move. It's easy headline material.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48815675]So why perpetuate the cycle? Like why? What purpose does it serve? What does it do? Even if a few people do feel some restitution from the death of a killer, is that enough to make us kill a person? To make wronged people feel better? What if people don't want the death penalty or don't care for it? Why torture or harm a person to that extent if they're not an imminent threat? It seems wasteful, and it seems like you need people to actually indulge in the hateful side of themselves to torture or kill someone, and I don't think we should embrace that selectively. Why do you?[/QUOTE] It's hard to have sympathy for a man who murdered 77 fucking people when his complaints basically equate to him being a huge bitch. He's lucky to have it as good as he does. "Breivik has previously complained of "inhumane" prison conditions, including that his coffee was being served cold." Give me a fucking break. [editline]5th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;48819098]What happened to Facepunch? I remember many years ago people were a lot more supportive of liberal punishments and treating criminals fairly. Now people are screaming for blood and think that people who do bad things don't deserve to be treated humanely.[/QUOTE] 77 people. They deserved to be treated humanely.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;48833995]It's hard to have sympathy for a man who murdered 77 fucking people when his complaints basically equate to him being a huge bitch. He's lucky to have it as good as he does. "Breivik has previously complained of "inhumane" prison conditions, including that his coffee was being served cold." Give me a fucking break.[/QUOTE] Nobody is saying you, or anyone, should have sympathy. Personal feelings are irrelevant to the prison system, the law is the law.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48834012]Nobody is saying you, or anyone, should have sympathy. Personal feelings are irrelevant to the prison system, the law is the law.[/QUOTE] Why is there so much social justice for monsters? This guy spends 21 years getting cold coffee, meanwhile there are 77 families who have to live the rest of their lives without the people they love. I'm not saying kill him or outright torture him, but fuck him if he thinks he gets to obtain a University education and live as comfortably as is reasonably possible within a prison. He should have done this shit in the States, then he can see how inhumane terrorists are treated. [quote]Among his other complaints are: [b]the handcuffs he wears when being moved around the prison "are too sharp and "cut in his wrist"[/b] - Bullets and bomb shrapnel cut too. Deal with it. [b]the cell is too cold, forcing him to wear three layers of clothes[/b] - I have to do this quite often to keep heating bills down. [b]he has to rush his morning shave and brushing of teeth[/b] - So do I, bud. [b]light and television switches are outside the cell, so he has to ask for help to change channel or sleep.[/b] - Television right in his cell. Fuck off.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;48834099]Why is there so much social justice for monsters? This guy spends 21 years getting cold coffee, meanwhile there are 77 families who have to live the rest of their lives without the people they love. I'm not saying kill him or outright torture him, but fuck him if he thinks he gets to obtain a University education and live as comfortably as is reasonably possible within a prison. He should have done this shit in the States, then he can see how inhumane terrorists are treated.[/QUOTE] How little do you read the posts you reply to because I'd guess none what so ever based on your wildly assumptive post there. Because you see, I never said "give him those things". I said "don't fucking torture and kill people for no fucking reason besides bloodlust" I don't want him to have a ps4. I just don't want him to be tortured. What the fuck is with you people that you read something and INSTANTLY form a false dichotomy to argue with
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48834209]How little do you read the posts you reply to because I'd guess none what so ever based on your wildly assumptive post there. Because you see, I never said "give him those things". I said "don't fucking torture and kill people for no fucking reason besides bloodlust" I don't want him to have a ps4. I just don't want him to be tortured. What the fuck is with you people that you read something and INSTANTLY form a false dichotomy to argue with[/QUOTE] I responded appropriately to [b]your[/b] post. You'll notice I also said I don't want him deliberately tortured or killed, but if he thinks he deserves more than what he's getting now, then maybe the judge shouldn't have deemed him sane during trial.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;48834280]I responded appropriately to [b]your[/b] post. You'll notice I also said I don't want him deliberately tortured or killed, but if he thinks he deserves more than what he's getting now, then maybe the judge shouldn't have deemed him sane during trial.[/QUOTE] Regardless of what your personal feelings of what a criminal deserves while in jail, you aren't really the person who anyone would ask because you know nothing about the field. You know who'd I'd ask if someone in jail deserves something or not? A fucking psychologist who's qualified to give an opinion on what would help or wouldn't. What would even classing him as insane do? Nothing, he'd be in a similar situation but with more drugs involved. People get way too fucking emotional about this. Justice and the law system can't be hot headed or else it would never work.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48834317]Regardless of what your personal feelings of what a criminal deserves while in jail, you aren't really the person who anyone would ask because you know nothing about the field. You know who'd I'd ask if someone in jail deserves something or not? A fucking psychologist who's qualified to give an opinion on what would help or wouldn't.[/quote] This guy is living in the prison equivalent of a 4-star hotel. He's fine. Maybe if he'd known living in prison would result in the mental anguish of not being able to change his television channel in his luxury prison suite, then maybe he wouldn't have committed a terrorist act. [quote]What would even classing him as insane do? Nothing, he'd be in a similar situation but with more drugs involved.[/quote] Determine whether or not he's guilty and affect his sentencing? Not sure. [quote]People get way too fucking emotional about this. Justice and the law system can't be hot headed or else it would never work.[/QUOTE] I'm not a robot, functioning on logic alone. When a guy who [b]bombed and shot [u][i]77 people[/i][/u] to death[/b] is whining about his cold coffee and television stations and calling it inhumane enough to torture and kill himself, I get a little emotional, yes.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;48834411]This guy is living in the prison equivalent of a 4-star hotel. He's fine. Maybe if he'd known living in prison would result in the mental anguish of not being able to change his television channel in his luxury prison suite, then maybe he wouldn't have committed a terrorist act.[/QUOTE] Actually, his plan was being shot and killed. He was surprised when the police didn't actually kill him. In any case, you're letting your emotions speak for you. It's pointless and irrelevant. A classmate of mine was killed in the attack, and I don't intend to let emotions speak over logic. [B][I][U]AGAIN[/U][/I][/B], he is not an exemption from the law, he will be treated like other prisoners, he has his rights, and the prison has to examine his claims of being mistreated.
[QUOTE=Sungrazer;48834411]This guy is living in the prison equivalent of a 4-star hotel. He's fine. Maybe if he'd known living in prison would result in the mental anguish of not being able to change his television channel in his luxury prison suite, then maybe he wouldn't have committed a terrorist act. Determine whether or not he's guilty and affect his sentencing? Not sure. I'm not a robot, functioning on logic alone. When a guy who [b]bombed and shot [u][i]77 people[/i][/u] to death[/b] is whining about his cold coffee and television stations and calling it inhumane enough to torture and kill himself, I get a little emotional, yes.[/QUOTE] it's still a prison. you can imagine it being cushy 4 star all you want. I doubt his life feels like living at a 4 star hotel. He'd still be in a facility for the rest of his life. What's your point. You think emotionality should decide our justice system or have a place in it? It has no place. It serves no function but to make punishment more brutal. Yeah, the mans a monstrous murderer. I'm not saying treat him like he's a in a cushy hotel. That doesn't mean there's any reason to just let our emotions go wild and decide his life. He's not a threat, he's been neutralized. [editline]5th October 2015[/editline] I have a poem that I live by as best I can, and one of the key lines of that poem is "Fight Injustice without hatred". I don't see a way you can ever achieve that if you let your emotions control you.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48834458]it's still a prison. you can imagine it being cushy 4 star all you want. I doubt his life feels like living at a 4 star hotel. He'd still be in a facility for the rest of his life. What's your point. You think emotionality should decide our justice system or have a place in it? It has no place. It serves no function but to make punishment more brutal. Yeah, the mans a monstrous murderer. I'm not saying treat him like he's a in a cushy hotel. That doesn't mean there's any reason to just let our emotions go wild and decide his life. He's not a threat, he's been neutralized. [editline]5th October 2015[/editline] I have a poem that I live by as best I can, and one of the key lines of that poem is "Fight Injustice without hatred". I don't see a way you can ever achieve that if you let your emotions control you.[/QUOTE] I have read this thread and I would say that you out of everyone has used more expletives in anger and to get your point across, therefore deeming you the most emotional.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;48834841]I have read this thread and I would say that you out of everyone has used more expletives in anger and to get your point across, therefore deeming you the most emotional.[/QUOTE] If only swear words and using the caps key for emphasis over the bold key were actually indicators of that. However, they're not indicators of that. And even if that were to be the case, the emotion in question would have to be "hatred" or "anger" to make me contradict my own view. Now, that would require you to assume that i'm hateful of you for what you think. That's an assumption you'd be making without any real indicators besides your own assumptions. I also wouldn't say that being emotionally charged about the fact some people want a person who's been neutralized literally tortured to death is really all that bad. But hey, you're the one arguing for that, and I doubt you have the self awareness to see you need to be hateful to want someone tortured to death. I don't hate anyone who wants him killed or tortured. I just want an explanation as to why. I never actually get one.
He shouldn't be tortured or killed, but he shouldn't be allowed luxuries that you get on the outside either. It's prison, it's supposed to remind you that you did a horrible thing to society and are deemed unfit to live in it. This is like a severely blown up case of a spoiled brat not getting exactly what he wants and cries like a little bitch.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48834458]it's still a prison. you can imagine it being cushy 4 star all you want. I doubt his life feels like living at a 4 star hotel. He'd still be in a facility for the rest of his life. What's your point. You think emotionality should decide our justice system or have a place in it? It has no place. It serves no function but to make punishment more brutal. Yeah, the mans a monstrous murderer. I'm not saying treat him like he's a in a cushy hotel. That doesn't mean there's any reason to just let our emotions go wild and decide his life. He's not a threat, he's been neutralized. [editline]5th October 2015[/editline] I have a poem that I live by as best I can, and one of the key lines of that poem is "Fight Injustice without hatred". I don't see a way you can ever achieve that if you let your emotions control you.[/QUOTE] Nobody is deciding to do anything with his life, he is. He's the one striking. I'm saying he's a big whiny bitch trying to take advantage of the system when he should consider himself lucky to be in [b][i]that[/i][/b] prison, considering the magnitude of his crimes. Give an inch, they take a mile. You're in prison, bud, you don't get to be comfortable. [editline]5th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48834911]If only swear words and using the caps key for emphasis over the bold key were actually indicators of that. However, they're not indicators of that. And even if that were to be the case, the emotion in question would have to be "hatred" or "anger" to make me contradict my own view. Now, that would require you to assume that i'm hateful of you for what you think. That's an assumption you'd be making without any real indicators besides your own assumptions. I also wouldn't say that being emotionally charged about the fact some people want a person who's been neutralized literally tortured to death is really all that bad. But hey, you're the one arguing for that, and I doubt you have the self awareness to see you need to be hateful to want someone tortured to death. I don't hate anyone who wants him killed or tortured. I just want an explanation as to why. I never actually get one.[/QUOTE] I never said I wanted him tortured or killed, for the record.
i have my doubts he actually thinks things like coffee or better games consoles are worse starving himself over, he just wants to make people mad. in some part of his brain he might even think of this as some weird pro-punitive satirical statement - he's definitely manipulative enough. he called a safety pen a "manifestation of sadism" for christ's sake.
Is it wrong to call him a whiny ass bitch for complaining about his prison conditions? Manifestation of sadism? Really?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48837191]Is it wrong to call him a whiny ass bitch for complaining about his prison conditions? Manifestation of sadism? Really?[/QUOTE] No, that's not wrong. He's trying to manipulate things to his favor, not an uncommon action but he doesn't deserve a lot of niceties. Inversely, it also doesn't mean torture, not that you're suggesting that
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48834911]If only swear words and using the caps key for emphasis over the bold key were actually indicators of that. However, they're not indicators of that. And even if that were to be the case, the emotion in question would have to be "hatred" or "anger" to make me contradict my own view. Now, that would require you to assume that i'm hateful of you for what you think. That's an assumption you'd be making without any real indicators besides your own assumptions. I also wouldn't say that being emotionally charged about the fact some people want a person who's been neutralized literally tortured to death is really all that bad. But hey, you're the one arguing for that, and I doubt you have the self awareness to see you need to be hateful to want someone tortured to death. I don't hate anyone who wants him killed or tortured. I just want an explanation as to why. I never actually get one.[/QUOTE] Anger and hatred are not the same emotion. I haven't argued the point that Breivik should be killed or tortured, not many here have, simply that he cannot be rehabilitated. I can understand (not relate to) both sides of the argument as the subject matter is a very compelling. My point to you was that you are letting emotion control you when you use expletives to argue your point. Has anyone considered that he might just be trying to amuse himself in what is probably a very long and uneventful daily cycle.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;48839409](...) simply that he cannot be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE] [citation needed] People keep making this statement, but we can't know until we've tried. [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48837191]Is it wrong to call him a whiny ass bitch for complaining about his prison conditions? Manifestation of sadism? Really?[/QUOTE] Call him whatever you want, really. Point is he still has some rights that have to be upheld, so (some of) his whining has to be looked into.
this is a man who knows he's never getting out of prison, a man who knows he sold his life to the government when he killed who he did. if you're getting pissy over the shit he does in prison, you're literally just falling for some of the easiest to sniff out bait ever, and it's honestly kind of hilarious reading some peoples reactions here. if he's actually being mistreated and thrown into solitary for unrealistic periods of time, hey good on him for getting it investigated. if it's true it'll be sorted out, especially now that it's hit media attention. if he's just pulling shit to have some fun in his life, then all anyone is doing by going 'oh man what a piece of shit he deserves what he gets!!!!' is giving him what he's looking for lol [editline]6th October 2015[/editline] i mean christ he's locked in a place where he has no impact on any human beings outside of his immediate prison community and he's -still- managing to get internet kids panties in a knot world wide, i guess if he's gonna get his kicks at least he's not going after prison guards or anything like that
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