• Mass-murderer Anders Behring Breivik threatens to hunger-strike himself to death due to stricter pri
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[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48794571]"Justice" is not killing somebody who has wronged you. You're thinking of "vengeance."[/QUOTE] I'm glad people like you are around BDA <3
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48794571]"Justice" is not killing somebody who has wronged you. You're thinking of "vengeance."[/QUOTE] He continues to hold his beliefs and is looking forward to being released. His voice is still heard by conservative nuts who send him letters of support while serving a more than light form of prison. I'm just being precautious or overly precautious if it pleases you, but wouldn't it have been better if Hitler was killed in jail in 1923? It wouldn't be justice, but i guess we would be better off.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48794630]He continues to hold his beliefs and is looking forward to being released. His voice is still heard by conservative nuts who send him letters of support while serving a more than light form of prison.[/QUOTE] We'll see about that in 20 years. It's not like he'll be released tomorrow.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48794636]We'll see about that in 20 years. It's not like he'll be released tomorrow.[/QUOTE] Doesn't need to be tomorrow. It's obvious he cannot be rehabilitated, it has not been left obvious that he'll spend life in prison.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48794173]Sounds good to me.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;f8cbnrBBI3g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8cbnrBBI3g[/video]
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48794630]He continues to hold his beliefs and is looking forward to being released. His voice is still heard by conservative nuts who send him letters of support while serving a more than light form of prison. I'm just being precautious or overly precautious if it pleases you, but wouldn't it have been better if Hitler was killed in jail in 1923? It wouldn't be justice, but i guess we would be better off.[/QUOTE] He will never be released, so what does it matter if he continues to hold his beliefs? How would the world be any better off if he changed them? How would the world be any better off if he [I]were[/I] killed? Again, you're talking about pointless vengeance. The man is going to spend the rest of his life in prison. He is no longer a threat to anybody, and never will be again. At this point, killing him does nothing for justice and nothing for safety. Killing him would be nothing more than gratifying the exact "justice means blood" thought processes that led Breivik to commit his rampage in the first place. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48794688]Doesn't need to be tomorrow. It's obvious he cannot be rehabilitated, it has not been left obvious that he'll spend life in prison.[/QUOTE] Hint: he is going to spend his life in prison. Norway's prison system employs maximum sentences of 20-someodd years, but they can and are renewed if the convict is still considered a threat to society. Breivik always will be. Even if he changes his political beliefs, it does not change his underlying thought processes. A man who sees it as justice to go and slaughter children by the dozen is not a man who will ever be deemed safe to live without walls around him.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48794688]It's obvious he cannot be rehabilitated[/QUOTE] No, that's actually not obvious. That's an empty statement by you. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48794716]Hint: he is going to spend his life in prison. Norway's prison system employs maximum sentences of 20-someodd years, but they can and are renewed if the convict is still considered a threat to society. Breivik always will be. Even if he changes his political beliefs, it does not change his underlying thought processes. A man who sees it as justice to go and slaughter children by the dozen is not a man who will ever be deemed safe to live without walls around him.[/QUOTE] Well, we'll see. Time will tell. It's kind of a special case, and nobody knows how it'll end for sure.
I have no sympathy for the childish complaints of a mass-murderer trying to game a far-too-lenient prison system. Fucker wants to complain, ship him off to a Russian gulag and give him a real taste of "inhumane."
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48794737]I have no sympathy for the childish complaints of a mass-murderer trying to game a far-too-lenient prison system. Fucker wants to complain, ship him off to a Russian gulag and give him a real taste of "inhumane."[/QUOTE] How is it far too lenient? Norway has one of the lowest recidivism rates on Earth, and one of the lowest crime rates in general. Surely that has to be a marker of success.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48794736]No, that's actually not obvious. That's an empty statement by you.[/QUOTE] It's not empty. It's based on what he did, why he did it, how he's responded to being caught and his behaviour in prison. It's as obvious as the sun rising tomorrow.
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48794794]It's not empty. It's based on what he did, why he did it, how he's responded to being caught and his behaviour in prison. It's as obvious as the sun rising tomorrow.[/QUOTE] It really isn't. Human behavior (especially in rehabilitation) can change drastically over 21 years. You're making assumptions and believing that they are the truth. Have some patience.
Ship him to ADX Florence, listen to him whine to a concrete wall
He should be in a 2ft by 2ft room.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48794813]It really isn't. Human behavior (especially in rehabilitation) can change drastically over 21 years. You're making assumptions and believing that they are the truth. Have some patience.[/QUOTE] Ok how about this He will be killed if he is released.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48794244]No it isn't. Punishment should fit the crime.[/QUOTE] It fits according to law. His crime doesnt rid him of human rights, so he has a right to complain. As much as I hate this guy, trying to force him to drop his education is not a good thing to do, nor its right. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;48794688]Doesn't need to be tomorrow. It's obvious he cannot be rehabilitated, it has not been left obvious that he'll spend life in prison.[/QUOTE] You can't decide whether he goes to prison again or gets freed based on "obvious". There will be a way to objectively determine that. I am 99% sure his sentence will be renewed, but it's not "obvious". You can deal in "obvious"es when talking about justice and laws, there should be objective criterias to everything.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;48795254] You can't decide whether he goes to prison again or gets freed based on "obvious". There will be a way to objectively determine that. I am 99% sure his sentence will be renewed, but it's not "obvious". You can deal in "obvious"es when talking about justice and laws, there should be objective criterias to everything.[/QUOTE] But it [I]is [/I]obvious. He will be kept imprisoned either for his or the publics safety, and if he was released there would be an outrage no political party could survive.
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48795423]But it [I]is [/I]obvious. He will be kept imprisoned either for his or the publics safety, and if he was released there would be an outrage no political party could survive.[/QUOTE] If he was released he'd be publicly lynched by a mob. He's never getting out for one reason or another.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48794547]Its amazing how people are so vengeful they ignore how every bit of data has shown time and time again that punitive justice is a complete failure in every aspect.[/QUOTE] I think the murder of dozens of kids is something to rightfully be vengeful about
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48795463]If he was released he'd be publicly lynched by a mob. He's never getting out for one reason or another.[/QUOTE] this is why i think they shouldn't waste any resources trying to rehabilitate him and should just hold him in prison, he has no chance of life on the outside since everyone probably knows his name and his face and i can't imagine that would make people comfortable with hiring him
[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48795204]Ok how about this He will be killed if he is released.[/QUOTE] That's quite possible, especially today. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48795527]this is why i think they shouldn't waste any resources trying to rehabilitate him and should just hold him in prison, he has no chance of life on the outside since everyone probably knows his name and his face and i can't imagine that would make people comfortable with hiring him[/QUOTE] He still has his rights as a prisoner, we won't make special laws for him.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48795527]this is why i think they shouldn't waste any resources trying to rehabilitate him and should just hold him in prison, he has no chance of life on the outside since everyone probably knows his name and his face and i can't imagine that would make people comfortable with hiring him[/QUOTE] He is not being rehabilitated to be put back in society, but there's no harm to let him live and advance as a human being.
[QUOTE=paul simon;48795533] He still has his rights as a prisoner, we won't make special laws for him.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;48795566]He is not being rehabilitated to be put back in society, but there's no harm to let him live and advance as a human being.[/QUOTE] i'm not saying throw him in the dungeon, what he's gotten is fine enough at containing him, i just don't think the state should waste resources giving him therapy and sending him through rehabilitation programs unless he himself indicates he wants to change.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48795615]i'm not saying throw him in the dungeon, what he's gotten is fine enough at containing him, i just don't think the state should waste resources giving him therapy and sending him through rehabilitation programs unless he himself indicates he wants to change.[/QUOTE] Mental health services are a basic standard of medical care, however. Refusing to allow him to speak with therapist is tantamount to psychological torture. He spends 23 hours a day, every day, locked in a cell without human contact. Even if he does spend the rest of his life in that cell (which he most likely will), it's pointless and inhumane not to give him access to medical care when he needs it, including mental health services. Besides that, it doesn't represent a notable drain on resources for the prison therapist to schedule him in once a week, or whatever. It isn't like Breivik is his or her only patient at the prison.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48795747]Mental health services are a basic standard of medical care, however. Refusing to allow him to speak with therapist is tantamount to psychological torture. He spends 23 hours a day, every day, locked in a cell without human contact. Even if he does spend the rest of his life in that cell (which he most likely will), it's pointless and inhumane not to give him access to medical care when he needs it, including mental health services. Besides that, it doesn't represent a notable drain on resources for the prison therapist to schedule him in once a week, or whatever. It isn't like Breivik is his or her only patient at the prison.[/QUOTE] it seems i have missed a major part of the norwegian prison system. i had assumed that they had some sort of program that they sent inmates through that would've included mandatory therapy sessions or something like that but i just read up on it and it appears i was wrong. the system they have actually makes a lot of sense. what i was meaning was that if there was a program that they sent inmates through, they shouldn't have made him go through it if he didn't choose to but that point is out now
Do y'all also disagree with putting down rabid animals? This wanker is essentially the same thing, except vastly more dangerous, and much more at fault. Not a dog's fault if it gets rabies after all.
[QUOTE=viper shtf;48795933]Do y'all also disagree with putting down rabid animals? This wanker is essentially the same thing, except vastly more dangerous, and much more at fault. Not a dog's fault if it gets rabies after all.[/QUOTE] I fail to understand how you can make that connection. Are you seriously comparing a human being to an animal?
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48795981]Are you seriously comparing a human being to an animal?[/QUOTE] Well, that's a concept that is easy to argue for.
The prison system in most western countries is a joke. Human and prisoner rights shouldn't apply to disgusting objects like mass-murderers, rapists, pedophiles and such. He should be tortured to death as a punishment. Some subhuman scum cannot be rehabilitated and should be removed from this world so they don't breathe the same air as people do.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48796204]The prison system in most western countries is a joke. Human and prisoner rights shouldn't apply to disgusting objects like mass-murderers, rapists, pedophiles and such. He should be tortured to death as a punishment. Some subhuman scum cannot be rehabilitated and should be removed from this world so they don't breathe the same air as people do.[/QUOTE] I think you would like Saudi Arabia.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48796204]The prison system in most western countries is a joke. Human and prisoner rights shouldn't apply to disgusting objects like mass-murderers, rapists, pedophiles and such. He should be tortured to death as a punishment. Some subhuman scum cannot be rehabilitated and should be removed from this world so they don't breathe the same air as people do.[/QUOTE] Why? None of those things actually DO anything. It's purely an emotional bloodlust. Are you yourself a bloodthirsty murderer? Sounds like it, you just pretend you're not by dressing it up with "Only bad people should die" which is just as bloodthirsty as can be.
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