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[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798071]Okey but can you kindly tell me what exactly makes me delusional? I function in society, I have a working moral compass, I don't commit crimes, I don't use violence in situations where it can be avoided. I know my opinions are extreme and very very backwards but they say nothing about my personality. They only reveal my political views, which are strongly conservative. No one of those who have labeled me as insane/delusional/psychotic know anything about my personality and how I interact with society. I just find it very insulting since the accusations lack any form of proof other than my extreme opinions.[/QUOTE] Assuming the family of a victim would want the perpetrator to be slowly tortured to death isn't just being conservative, it's just being fucked up. Doesn't really give off a vibe of a healthy mind, y'know, but maybe you just enjoy people being tortured in your spare time, and I guess that's fair enough after all. If you truly aren't fucked up, maybe it's time to revise some of your opinions, because you mostly share them with people who are - in fact - insane.
[QUOTE=Crimor;48798103]You wish that people you consider subhuman or "monsters" to be tortured and/or executed, for one.[/QUOTE] I have already stated my opinions on this. I know it's almost impossible to make my opinions become reality in today's so I'd settle with forced labor and automatic life sentences for murderers with no chance for parole. But everyone can have ambitions and dream, or is that illegal if they're politically incorrect? [QUOTE=CoilingTesla;48798136][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder[/url] for one. It may not "click" with you, so I highly recommend seeking professional help. It's for you, not anyone else.[/QUOTE] Once again, I'm going to ask you kindly to stop telling me to seek professional help. You don't know me on a personal level and you made an assumption of my mental well-being based on my political opinions. [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48798147]Assuming the family of a victim would want the perpetrator to be slowly tortured to death isn't just being conservative, it's just being fucked up. Doesn't really give off a vibe of a healthy mind, y'know, but maybe you just enjoy people being tortured in your spare time, and I guess that's fair enough after all. If you truly aren't fucked up, maybe it's time to revise some of your opinions, because you mostly share them with people who are - in fact - insane.[/QUOTE] I know that these opinions give of negative vibes since you don't know me on a personal level and I'm sorry if they caused you any discomfort. And I don't enjoy seeing people get tortured, not at all.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798226]I know that these opinions give of negative vibes since you don't know me on a personal level and I'm sorry if they caused you any discomfort. And I don't enjoy seeing people get tortured, not at all.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I generally don't get phazed by anything, but your posts just made me go "what the fuck". Do you enjoy the knowledge that someone was suffering horribly before their death, though?
So it's insane to advocate death penalty in any way? ERRR- I don't think so. I also don't think SwedishSpy is completely delusional or insane, just angry and/or oblivious to the fact people are the cruelest animal there is. It is people who are subject to punishments, regardless of the punishment even death penalty. Animals literally cannot commit crimes, lol. [editline]1st October 2015[/editline] Also no one wants to torture anyone here, not criminals not anyone. Stop being silly.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48798255]To be honest, I generally don't get phazed by anything, but your posts just made me go "what the fuck". Do you enjoy the knowledge that someone was suffering horribly before their death, though?[/QUOTE] If that someone has committed cruel crimes against their fellow human beings, they should not get a painless death. I don't get any form of pleasure by seeing someone suffer, but dishing out justice in the form of severe punishment is necessary in extreme cases, such as with Breivik.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798304]If that someone has committed cruel crimes against their fellow human beings, [I]they should not get a painless death.[/I][/QUOTE] Wait, what.. You are actually advocating the use of deliberately painful execution methods. Deliberately painful execution methods.. You are an advocate of those. I'll just let that sink into me.. It's kind of hard to believe.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;48797381]Punishment is objectively a flawed system and has never deterred crime.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this shit? Why are people saying that it's objectively proven that punishment has never deterred crime? What an asinine thing to say. So you're saying that no one has ever thought, "nah stealing this is not really worth the risk of going to jail for months"? Fuck, the only reason I buy fare tickets for trains is because the fine is really high even if the odds of getting caught are low. [QUOTE=Kyle902;48797381]The threat of the death penalty has NEVER stopped murder from happening in the thousands of years its been in place.[/QUOTE] How did you figure out that no one EVER thought of murdering someone and decided not to because they were afraid of being caught and being sentenced to die themselves? You'd have to know who thought of murdering someone and decided not to. Are you a mind reader? Man, you people say shit that has like 0 contact with reality.
I don't even think about vengeance in these cases. I don't care about the person that commited this horrendous crime. He's done what he's done and there's no suitable punition nor expectancy of rehabilitation. I think about what, in my opinion, makes more sense to society and that doesn't include housing a clearly irrecoverable monster wasting tax payer's money. - edit - I see no reason for torturing the man to death, because that doesn't make my life or anyone else's better. No pity involved.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798304]If that someone has committed cruel crimes against their fellow human beings, they should not get a painless death. I don't get any form of pleasure by seeing someone suffer, but dishing out justice in the form of severe punishment is necessary in extreme cases, such as with Breivik.[/QUOTE] so hypothetically, if you had an execution method that just LOOKED extremely painful to everyone else but was actually painless, would you still deliberately make it hurt?
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798304]If that someone has committed cruel crimes against their fellow human beings, they should not get a painless death. I don't get any form of pleasure by seeing someone suffer, but dishing out justice in the form of severe punishment is necessary in extreme cases, such as with Breivik.[/QUOTE] So you're ready to advocate torture, but too cowardly to face what you're advocating. In effect you can't truly know what you're advocating. So how would you go about wrongful executions (I mean, we still have quite a few of those, and probably more that never come to light)? I mean, everyone involved - the judge, the executioners, the witnesses etc. - would've had a hand in this. Shouldn't they be tortured and killed as well to comfort the family of the victim? Could you live with yourself, knowing you contributed to an innocent person being tortured before finally being killed (which you do just by being in favour of capital punishment)? Accepting the death penalty entails just that, because you can't (well without a time machine or something like that) ever be a 100% sure - someone [I]will[/I] slip through the cracks.
[QUOTE=Cone;48798344]so hypothetically, if you had an execution method that just LOOKED extremely painful to everyone else but was actually painless, would you still deliberately make it hurt?[/QUOTE] No, I believe SwedishSpy actually advocated the use of deliberately painful execution methods. (As for your suggestion, it might work as long as the people never learn the truth. :vs:) Also, I'm sure he didn't fully mean it, by what he said about treatment of criminals, but was frustrated perhaps.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798304]If that someone has committed cruel crimes against their fellow human beings, they should not get a painless death. I don't get any form of pleasure by seeing someone suffer, but dishing out justice in the form of severe punishment is necessary in extreme cases, such as with Breivik.[/QUOTE] Go ahead and bear watching an excruciating execution. Do it and see what you think about your "political views"
I am a moral human being who believes in justice. To prove it I'm going to skin Anders Breivik with a butter knife before dousing him in gasoline and setting him on fire. It's the most effective way to deter these psychotic criminals.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48797799]Could you kindly tell me what part of psychosis correlates to my opinions? I don't hallucinate, I am not delusional, I don't suffer from catatonia and I don't have thought disorders. Are you a certified psychologist maybe?[/QUOTE] Being able to define a large portion of humanity as "Deserving of death" makes you psychotic. There's no way around that.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48798389]So you're ready to advocate torture, but too cowardly to face what you're advocating. In effect you can't truly know what you're advocating. So how would you go about wrongful executions (I mean, we still have quite a few of those, and probably more that never come to light)? I mean, everyone involved - the judge, the executioners, the witnesses etc. - would've had a hand in this. Shouldn't they be tortured and killed as well to comfort the family of the victim? Could you live with yourself, knowing you contributed to an innocent person being tortured before finally being killed (which you do just by being in favour of capital punishment)? Accepting the death penalty entails just that, because you can't (well without a time machine or something like that) ever be a 100% sure - someone [I]will[/I] slip through the cracks.[/QUOTE] Why do I have to get pleasure from it in order to advocate it? I advocate torture but I don't get pleasure from it. It's a necessary evil in extreme cases like with mass-murderers. And I'm aware that innocent people sometimes get executed but to prevent this from happening, there will be a very detailed and in depth criminal investigation. Any doubts about if someone is guilty or not would stop the execution. [editline]1st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48798450]Being able to define a large portion of humanity as "Deserving of death" makes you psychotic. There's no way around that.[/QUOTE] If they have committed crimes such as murder and rape, they deserve death. How is that psychotic? Is entire Facepunch professional psychiatrists all of the sudden?
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798456]Why do I have to get pleasure from it in order to advocate it? I advocate torture but I don't get pleasure from it. It's a necessary evil in extreme cases like with mass-murderers. And I'm aware that innocent people sometimes get executed but to prevent this from happening, there will be a very detailed and in depth criminal investigation. Any doubts about if someone is guilty or not would stop the execution.[/QUOTE] it's only being called neccesary because at some level you believe that in order to make them better, or make other people better, they need to know what suffering waits for them. Guess what? Fearing hell doesn't stop you from doing things to send you there or else religion would solve all the bullshit you talk about. Being threatened with eternal damnation and torment in hell is a lot worse than whatever torture you can think of. And it still doesn't stop people. You're insane if you think threatening people with harm is going to control society. You're insane if you think controlling societies negative urges can be done by having those urges flourish in the dark of our prisons. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798456] If they have committed crimes such as murder and rape, they deserve death. How is that psychotic? Is entire Facepunch professional psychiatrists all of the sudden?[/QUOTE] No we can all just follow basic logic. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48798439]I am a moral human being who believes in justice. To prove it I'm going to skin Anders Breivik with a butter knife before dousing him in gasoline and setting him on fire. It's the most effective way to deter these psychotic criminals and my desire to personally cause them harm, suffering, and to watch them suffer extreme pain and suffering IS TOTALLY NORMAL AND NO ONE CAN QUESTION MY DESIRE FOR THEIR DEATHS[/QUOTE] FFTY
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798456] It's a necessary evil in extreme cases like with mass-murderers.[/QUOTE] Why is it? Torturing people for information is effectively useless, it has been proven time and time again that informants being tortured will say anything to get it to stop. It's really not hard to falsify realistic sounding information when it's a matter of experiencing extreme pain otherwise. Torturing murderers won't do a single thing to bring back those they killed. Or teach them they are wrong. If anything it'll make them more resentful of the ones torturing them and drive them even more insane, creating a bigger threat to those around them. Killing them also effectively does fucking nothing for the victims or society at large. When a spree or mass murderer is actually caught we should use that as an opportunity to try and understand the killer, their motives, their mental state, etc. Creating profiles of criminals is pretty important in identifying possible criminals from future reports of suspicious shit. Killing them however does not allow us to do this. There's a reason people are calling you psychotic, you keep calling the the [B][I]painful[/I][/B] execution of individuals we can at least try to learn something from if we can't help them otherwise.
What does a murderer do? They pick a person they say is deserving of death, and kill them. What do you do? You pick a person deserving of death and ask the government to kill them. Pretty much the same fucking thing. In both cases, both people would be considered dangerous people because they have no problem drawing a line in the sand, and killing you for crossing it.
What is it with this forum and attracting fucking nutcases from Sweden? I've met maybe one or two top bros from Sweden here who are either racist as fuck, psychotic or just stupid.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798456]Why do I have to get pleasure from it in order to advocate it? I advocate torture but I don't get pleasure from it. It's a necessary evil in extreme cases like with mass-murderers. And I'm aware that innocent people sometimes get executed but to prevent this from happening, there will be a very detailed and in depth criminal investigation. Any doubts about if someone is guilty or not would stop the execution.[/QUOTE] Maybe Breivik was shooting blanks and the pieces of lead found in the bodies were unusually shaped micrometeorites. Sounds like there's the slimmest chance in the world that he was actually innocent, and honestly it's impossible to be literally (and I [I]mean[/I] literally) a 100% sure. That's a bit of doubt - should he still be executed? If you say yes, that means you have an arbitrary - maybe high but still arbitrary - cutoff for what constitutes doubt. Where do you draw that line? How about we just refrain from doing something we can't reverse?
[QUOTE=Rossy167;48797675]As a civilized society with have this weird concept called human rights. Hell, if you plan on calling him an animal we also have animal rights.[/QUOTE] Animals are almost 99% to be put down if they kill a human. I say. that you're genius! Perfect loophole.
Torturing people, even criminals, is very fucking bad. It doesn't matter if they raped and tortured your mom & dad. (How horrible.) I can understand if some people want to pursue the death penalty in certain cases, maybe, but swift and relatively painless death is the least you can do. If not, I will simply view you as the guy with moral sophistication equal to that of an edgy teenager.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48798450]Being able to define a large portion of humanity as "Deserving of death" makes you psychotic. There's no way around that.[/QUOTE] Big words of little people. Everything is relative. [editline]1st October 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48798513]Maybe Breivik was shooting blanks and the pieces of lead found in the bodies were unusually shaped micrometeorites. Sounds like there's the slimmest chance in the world that he was actually innocent, and honestly it's impossible to be literally (and I [I]mean[/I] literally) a 100% sure. That's a bit of doubt - should he still be executed? If you say yes, that means you have an arbitrary - maybe high but still arbitrary - cutoff for what constitutes doubt. Where do you draw that line? How about we just refrain from doing something we can't reverse?[/QUOTE] If you seriously believe there may even be inception of doubts in his actions, you are better off never touching legal system or anything similar.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48798478]it's only being called neccesary because at some level you believe that in order to make them better, or make other people better, they need to know what suffering waits for them. Guess what? Fearing hell doesn't stop you from doing things to send you there or else religion would solve all the bullshit you talk about. Being threatened with eternal damnation and torment in hell is a lot worse than whatever torture you can think of. And it still doesn't stop people. You're insane if you think threatening people with harm is going to control society. You're insane if you think controlling societies negative urges can be done by having those urges flourish in the dark of our prisons. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] No we can all just follow basic logic. [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] FFTY[/QUOTE] You're still saying I'm insane because I believe in severe punishment.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48798530]Big words of little people. Everything is relative. [editline]1st October 2015[/editline] If you seriously believe there may even be inception of doubts in his actions, you are better off never touching legal system or anything similar.[/QUOTE] Sure everything is relative, where did I say it wasn't? That doesn't change the fact that wishing any group of humans death is psychotic. You can change that scale to whatever you want, but relating death to a generalized group, is always going to be psychotic unless you just start making words mean whatever you feel they should mean. And no, he doesn't think that. You're missing the entire fucking point he's making about doubt and evidence and certainty in order to act like you're a "bigger person". [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798562]You're still saying I'm insane because I believe in severe punishment.[/QUOTE] No. Because you can segragate the population of people, go "This part isn't human because I FUCKING SAID SO DON'T QUESTION ME" and kill them, then yes, I will continue to say you're insane.
[QUOTE=SwedishSpy;48798456]Why do I have to get pleasure from it in order to advocate it? I advocate torture but I don't get pleasure from it. It's a necessary evil in extreme cases like with mass-murderers. And I'm aware that innocent people sometimes get executed but to prevent this from happening, there will be a very detailed and in depth criminal investigation. Any doubts about if someone is guilty or not would stop the execution.[/QUOTE] Ignoring the fact that you cannot ever, [i]ever[/i] guarantee that no one will ever slip through the cracks and be wrongfully executed, you still haven't explained why it's necessary to torture and kill people.
HumanAbyss, if you don't think you're emotionally invested in this, just take a look at all the CAPS LOCK in your posts.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48798495]Why is it? Torturing people for information is effectively useless, it has been proven time and time again that informants being tortured will say anything to get it to stop. It's really not hard to falsify realistic sounding information when it's a matter of experiencing extreme pain otherwise. Torturing murderers won't do a single thing to bring back those they killed. Or teach them they are wrong. If anything it'll make them more resentful of the ones torturing them and drive them even more insane, creating a bigger threat to those around them. Killing them also effectively does fucking nothing for the victims or society at large. When a spree or mass murderer is actually caught we should use that as an opportunity to try and understand the killer, their motives, their mental state, etc. Creating profiles of criminals is pretty important in identifying possible criminals from future reports of suspicious shit. Killing them however does not allow us to do this. There's a reason people are calling you psychotic, you keep calling the the [B][I]painful[/I][/B] execution of individuals we can at least try to learn something from if we can't help them otherwise.[/QUOTE] When a spree or mass murderer is actually caught we should use that as an opportunity to try and understand the killer, their motives, their mental state, etc. Creating profiles of criminals is pretty important in identifying possible criminals from future reports of suspicious shit. Killing them however does not allow us to do this. -- Good point actually. They are then repaying society by helping cops possibly identify criminals. While I understand that my opinions are quite different and extreme, I don't understand why people label me as psychotic. It's like when leftists label the Sweden Democrats as racist because their opinions about restrictive immigration policies are considered to be different.
Because anyone who can segregate any portion of the human populous and say "I don't care, I'm right, they deserve to die" is insane [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ColdAsRice;48798607]HumanAbyss, if you don't think you're emotionally invested in this, just take a look at all the CAPS LOCK in your posts.[/QUOTE] Yes, pointing out that I use big letters for emphasis proves I'm emotionally invested Or God forbid People type differently than you do. Fucking wild thought right
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48798565]Sure everything is relative, where did I say it wasn't? That doesn't change the fact that wishing any group of humans death is psychotic. You can change that scale to whatever you want, but relating death to a generalized group, is always going to be psychotic unless you just start making words mean whatever you feel they should mean. And no, he doesn't think that. You're missing the entire fucking point he's making about doubt and evidence and certainty in order to act like you're a "bigger person". [editline]30th September 2015[/editline] No. Because you can segragate the population of people, go "This part isn't human because I FUCKING SAID SO DON'T QUESTION ME" and kill them, then yes, I will continue to say you're insane.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, it makes sense that the most gruesome crimes should be punished by death. And sure, you're free to continue with "I don't like your opinions so I'm going to call you names!!", even though it's stupid and childish.
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