• Passenger sucked out of plane after hole opens up from alleged explosion
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[QUOTE=ViralHatred;49671811]I was once told by an airhostess that the reason they ask you to fasten your seat belts is so in the event of a crash they can identify you easier by keeping your body in your seat.[/QUOTE] People who believe this are the same type of person who won't wear their seatbelt in the car because "it makes it more difficult to get out in case of a crash".
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49671636]...unless the seat was structurally compromised, the passenger shouldn't have been sucked out unless he wasn't wearing a seatbelt.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;49671647]seats and even seat belts are not designed to withstand cyclonic speed and wind, you will be lifted out[/QUOTE] idk anything about planes or air pressure or any of that and people on facepunch like to talk about things they don't know as if they're an expert so which is true?!
This is like my biggest fear on planes. If I get seated near the emergency exit, I get so fucking uncomfortable.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49671551]Those people seem very calm about the situation[/QUOTE] that oxygen buddy. calm as hindu cows ;)
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;49671578]Even if it was, you would lose consciousness very very quickly at those altitudes. Well before you hit, or even come close, to the ground.[/QUOTE] not true. 10,000 is about the highest altitude you can go to where you can trust your bodies performance, though it will be seriously compromised. the absolute minimum amount of oxygen is reaching your brain and you'll have degraded night vision but you will not lose consciousness. However, beyond 10,000 ft is a sharp drop off in your ability to remain in the right state of mind. at 15,000 ft you'll have about 20 minutes of useful consciousness, at 25,000 that drops to 3-6 minutes. above 40,000 ft you've got 9-12 seconds, maybe. actually, at the altitude this aircraft was at it wouldn't even experience rapid decompression [editline]4th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;49671846]pretty sure being sucked out of an ascending airplane, hypoxia would have rendered them unconscious after a few seconds and they wouldn't have regained consciousness before they hit the ground[/QUOTE] not at 10,000. you'd experience hypoxia but you wouldn't be rendered unconscious because of it
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;49672275]not true. 10,000 is about the highest altitude you can go to where you can trust your bodies performance, though it will be seriously compromised. the absolute minimum amount of oxygen is reaching your brain and you'll have degraded night vision but you will not lose consciousness.[B] However, beyond 10,000 ft is a sharp drop off in your ability to remain in the right state of mind. [/B] [/QUOTE] No it isn't [t]http://www.sedonamonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/10_13CV.jpg[/t] humans can easily go over 10,000 feet
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;49672299]No it isn't [t]http://www.sedonamonthly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/10_13CV.jpg[/t] humans can easily go over 10,000 feet[/QUOTE] yes humans can go over 10,000 ft i never said they couldn't. easily? no. that is a dangerous altitude for an untrained person to be in. trust me dude, i'm a pilot i trained for this shit. i sat in a hypobaric chamber so i could find out what my symptoms of hypoxia are.
If this was a plane-bombing attempt, karma did its job nicely.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;49672339]yes humans can go over 10,000 ft i never said they couldn't. easily? no. that is a dangerous altitude for an untrained person to be in. trust me dude, i'm a pilot i trained for this shit. i sat in a decompression chamber so i could find out what my symptoms of hypoxia are.[/QUOTE] It is entirely safe to be around 10k feet. La Paz, Bolivia is at 11k feet. You do feel the effects. It is recommended that you set aside the first day there to adjust while your body produces additional red blood cells to compensate (Side note: The human body is awesome). Your limbs will feel heavy and you wont want to move, but it is perfectly safe. You are a pilot. You should know your time of useful consciousness charts pretty well. They don't even generally start until at LEAST 15k feet.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49672391]It is entirely safe to be around 10k feet. La Paz, Bolivia is at 11k feet. You do feel the effects. It is recommended that you set aside the first day there to adjust while your body produces additional red blood cells to compensate (Side note: The human body is awesome). Your limbs will feel heavy and you wont want to move, but it is perfectly safe. You are a pilot. You should know your time of useful consciousness charts pretty well. They don't even generally start until at LEAST 15k feet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=God of Ashes;49672275]not true. 10,000 is about the highest altitude you can go to where you can trust your bodies performance, though it will be seriously compromised. the absolute minimum amount of oxygen is reaching your brain and you'll have degraded night vision but you will not lose consciousness. However, beyond 10,000 ft is a sharp drop off in your ability to remain in the right state of mind. at 15,000 ft you'll have about 20 minutes of useful consciousness, at 25,000 that drops to 3-6 minutes. above 40,000 ft you've got 9-12 seconds, maybe. [/quote]
I don't know where you guys are getting that at 10,000 feet you're going to be seriously impaired or unconscious. Skydivers regularly go to 10,000 to 13,000 feet in uncompressed airplanes before jumping. They don't require supplemental oxygen until over 15,000 feet. Sure, they air is thinner, but you're going to need to spend an extended amount of time at that height before you start seeing ill effects. freefall from that height lasts about a minute before a skydiver would open their parachute and be under a completely safe altitude.
I think the shock to your body of getting ripped out of a plane going over 300mph would knock you out. Not the altitude.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49672391]It is entirely safe to be around 10k feet. La Paz, Bolivia is at 11k feet. You do feel the effects. It is recommended that you set aside the first day there to adjust while your body produces additional red blood cells to compensate (Side note: The human body is awesome). Your limbs will feel heavy and you wont want to move, but it is perfectly safe. You are a pilot. You should know your time of useful consciousness charts pretty well. They don't even generally start until at LEAST 15k feet.[/QUOTE] Like, there is quite a bit of difference between steadily reaching 10,00ft and adapting to it naturally over time, and being thrown out of a pressurised cabin at 10,000ft with no time to acclimatise. It's not going to be a super pleasant experience for anyone involved. 10,00ft by itself, totally understandably safe. But 10,000ft with a high velocity and sudden change in pressure? Eughhhh.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;49672414]-stuff about altitude sickness-[/QUOTE] I think the point is that it sounds like you're exaggerating the seriousness of the health effects at 10k feet.
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I want to know how their labs work becuase thats a crazy turnaround time for testing.
[QUOTE=Niklas;49671800]Is it even possible to get sucked out of a plane? Wouldn't the airflow more than likely just go past the hole?[/QUOTE] When the pressure equalizies, yes. For several seconds you can get sucked out. But once a hole is open for a while then no, you can even savely move around in the plane, getting sucked out is a hollywood myth. Just like exploding heads in space, that stuff does not exist.
[QUOTE=DMGaina;49672827]When the pressure equalizies, yes. For several seconds you can get sucked out. [B]But once a hole is open for a while then no, you can even savely move around in the plane[/B], getting sucked out is a hollywood myth. Just like exploding heads in space, that stuff does not exist.[/QUOTE] Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?
This is horrible and shocking. RIP to the person that got sucked out. :(
:snip: prob dumb
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49672844]Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?[/QUOTE] Pressurized airplane cabin (H) and outside air (L). Hole in cabin leads to depressurization (H->L) as the air masses equate. Once the cabin is depressurized (L) close to the outside pressure (L), then the sucking force will be significantly less. I'm sure someone with an actual science background can confirm/debunk this, but this is my understanding.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49672844]Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?[/QUOTE] I would think that its because the fuselage blew outwards, causing a deflection of the air. Perhaps even at 300+ mph, the air is moving too quickly across the surface to give the air enough time to start filling the cabin. Cars have vastly different aerodynamic properties to them as well, hell even in pickup beds, the air is basically moving everywhere else than the bed and cabin of the truck. all speculation and guess work here. I'm not educated or certified in aerodynamic engineering, or physics of moving gasses.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49672844]Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?[/QUOTE] because paper is ultra light and easily catches a breeze, and depending on how many windows are open and other factors like only having them open on one side, there's a lot of air circulating through the car turbulently. Papers/bags/etc aren't going to move much if you've just got one window cracked, but two windows on the same side will create a small vortex through the car (helpful tip: great way to clear smells out), and having all windows open invites a lot of whippy turbulence depending on exterior conditions and your car's own aerodynamics
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49672844]Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?[/QUOTE] Same reason lightweight stuff like paper would get sucked out of that hole in the fuselage. Just because the pressure has equalized and it's safe to move around doesn't mean there's no airflow. The "breeze" coming through your window is strong enough to move "lightweight stuff like paper", as is the "breeze" coming through the fuselage hole, but not strong enough to fling a person into the atmosphere.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;49671551]Those people seem very calm about the situation[/QUOTE] Welp it's like, worst case scenario's already happened so not much to do besides just waiting to see what'd happen next.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49672179]This is like my biggest fear on planes. If I get seated near the emergency exit, I get so fucking uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] thank god its a faa requirement to move you if you dont feel comfy at a emergency exit
[QUOTE=Wii60;49673342]thank god its a faa requirement to move you if you dont feel comfy at a emergency exit[/QUOTE] yeah, the few times I've flown they always mention if you're near the exits, please trade spots with someone else if you're not comfortable with being responsible in the event you have to operate them and help other passengers
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[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49672844]Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?[/QUOTE] It doesn't, it just blows around.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49672844]Then how does lightweight stuff like paper get sucked out the window when you drive if that's the case?[/QUOTE] For the same reason leafes fly in the wind, it also doesn't get "sucked out".
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