• Passenger sucked out of plane after hole opens up from alleged explosion
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[QUOTE=Apache249;49672981]Same reason lightweight stuff like paper would get sucked out of that hole in the fuselage. Just because the pressure has equalized and it's safe to move around doesn't mean there's no airflow. The "breeze" coming through your window is strong enough to move "lightweight stuff like paper", as is the "breeze" coming through the fuselage hole, but not strong enough to fling a person into the atmosphere.[/QUOTE] 40mph to a piece of paper is similar to over 300mph to a person. That's why I was wondering. [QUOTE=phygon;49673447]It doesn't, it just blows around.[/QUOTE] Um. No.
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49673524] Um. No.[/QUOTE] Um, yes. If your windows are open it's not like all loose paper will fly directly for the nearest window, it just blusters around the cabin until eventually it hits a window. A car isn't pressurized, so it's not like there's a constant vacuum going on.
Read that it was a suicide bomber and the bomb was too light to destroy the plane; only bust a hole big enough to suck him out. Sucker.
[QUOTE=ViralHatred;49671811]I was once told by an airhostess that the reason they ask you to fasten your seat belts is so in the event of a crash they can identify you easier by keeping your body in your seat.[/QUOTE] No this is from a movie.
[QUOTE=Killuah;49673926]No this is from a movie.[/QUOTE] maybe a hostess still relayed it to him or something because she saw/heard it somewhere else then not as 'cold' of an idea as the conspiracy that the 'tuck your head between your knees' thing is actually so your spine severs easier at impact or whatever, so they only have to pay out for deaths rather than larger settlements and medical costs to survivors over time at any rate, if this was actually a bomber I'm pretty happy to see it went down as it did
[QUOTE=Occlusion;49671413]Is there anything explosive in the side of a passenger jet? Surely it was a bomb, and the guy who got pulled out was the one who detonated? Just speculating of course.[/QUOTE] Fucking called it.
Btw the pressure differential between the outside and inside of a plane at that altitude is like 2, maybe 3 psi depending on the cabin pressure for this specific aircraft.
[QUOTE=Sableye;49671846]pretty sure being sucked out of an ascending airplane, Hypoxia would have rendered them unconscious after a few seconds and they wouldn't have regained consciousness before they hit the ground[/QUOTE] True, if you are in a plane that's lost control and coming down from a high altitude above the atmosphere, you'll get Hypoxia, and lose consciousness. But then when the plane falls back under the atmosphere, you'll regain consciousness again just to find that you're still falling. Also, still a better flight than this one. [video=youtube;qRPhtEUYVKQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRPhtEUYVKQ[/video]
[QUOTE=phygon;49673628]Um, yes. If your windows are open it's not like all loose paper will fly directly for the nearest window, it just blusters around the cabin until eventually it hits a window. A car isn't pressurized, so it's not like there's a constant vacuum going on.[/QUOTE] Then why has shit flown out of my window while driving with the windows open and no crosswind?
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49674248]Then why has shit flown out of my window while driving with the windows open and no crosswind?[/QUOTE] The air inside your vehicle is higher than the wind flowing over the window. High pressure chases low pressure to equilibrium. So inside air flows out, sucking your paper out. You drive with all the windows down you wont have this issue. You'd just have a lot of wind flying in pushing your paper out.
[QUOTE=dai;49673362]yeah, the few times I've flown they always mention if you're near the exits, please trade spots with someone else if you're not comfortable with being responsible in the event you have to operate them and help other passengers[/QUOTE] legally the only people who are required to help is the exit row which are also the only seats allowed to swap if they don't feel up to that
[QUOTE=GunFox;49672391]It is entirely safe to be around 10k feet. La Paz, Bolivia is at 11k feet. You do feel the effects. It is recommended that you set aside the first day there to adjust while your body produces additional red blood cells to compensate (Side note: The human body is awesome). Your limbs will feel heavy and you wont want to move, but it is perfectly safe. You are a pilot. You should know your time of useful consciousness charts pretty well. They don't even generally start until at LEAST 15k feet.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure you have to be be accustomed to this sort of stuff.
that's it no more window seat for me only just aisle seat for me,.
What an embarrassment for what ever terror organization was responsible. I wonder if they even bothered to claim it
[QUOTE=GunFox;49672391]You are a pilot. You should know your time of useful consciousness charts pretty well. They don't even generally start until at LEAST 15k feet.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=biodude94566;49672453]I don't know where you guys are getting that at 10,000 feet you're going to be seriously impaired or unconscious. Skydivers regularly go to 10,000 to 13,000 feet in uncompressed airplanes before jumping. They don't require supplemental oxygen until over 15,000 feet. Sure, they air is thinner, but you're going to need to spend an extended amount of time at that height before you start seeing ill effects. freefall from that height lasts about a minute before a skydiver would open their parachute and be under a completely safe altitude.[/QUOTE]Do note he said you shouldn't trust your body's [I]usefulness[/I] after 10k feet, and the reference to La Paz, Bolivia's altitude and the advisement to give it a day to let your body figure out what to do really just reinforces what he's saying. [QUOTE=nerdster409;49672535]I think the point is that it sounds like you're exaggerating the seriousness of the health effects at 10k feet.[/QUOTE]Well thankfully we don't base [url=http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Time_of_Useful_Consciousness]safety charts[/url] based off of how things sound to you or anyone else.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49675676]Do note he said you shouldn't trust your body's [I]usefulness[/I] after 10k feet, and the reference to La Paz, Bolivia's altitude and the advisement to give it a day to let your body figure out what to do really just reinforces what he's saying. Well thankfully we don't base [url=http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Time_of_Useful_Consciousness]safety charts[/url] based off of how things sound to you or anyone else.[/QUOTE] For an aircraft you aren't really inhibited. You give it a day because physical labor is difficult that first day. As far as doing things in an aircraft, you are just fine up till about 15k feet. On a side note, I am amused by the term "military grade" TNT. Military grade TNT doesn't exist. Grade A and grade B TNT exist. Grade A is absolutely the more pure variant, buuuuut both forms are used in military applications.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49675729]For an aircraft you aren't really inhibited. You give it a day because physical labor is difficult that first day. As far as doing things in an aircraft, you are just fine up till about 15k feet. On a side note, I am amused by the term "military grade" TNT. Military grade TNT doesn't exist. Grade A and grade B TNT exist. Grade A is absolutely the more pure variant, buuuuut both forms are used in military applications.[/QUOTE] is there any term for some pretty awful homemade variety or is it all just lumped down to grade B, or is it just considered a different compound at such low quality/dilution/whatever
[QUOTE=dai;49676614]is there any term for some pretty awful homemade variety or is it all just lumped down to grade B, or is it just considered a different compound at such low quality/dilution/whatever[/QUOTE] Grade B is "crude" grade TNT. It is generally mixed with another explosive in order to get it to actually detonate.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49675729]For an aircraft you aren't really inhibited. You give it a day because physical labor is difficult that first day. As far as doing things in an aircraft, you are just fine up till about 15k feet.[/QUOTE]Depends on the aircraft and depends on the situation. Flying in some super cool business jet? No, you're probably not going to be stressing your body out but at the same time flying in the cargo hold of some beat to shit C-130? I hope you don't need to fucking stand up with a full ruck and chute, because that's going to suck. Also there's the issue of piloting an aircraft without hydraulics, which usually means there was a [I]loss[/I] of hydraulics which means the situation's already bad. If you're in an unpressurized cockpit fighting the controls you're probably not going to last long above 10k feet due to fatigue. Either way, at 10,000 or 15,000 you're not going to remain there for very long. [QUOTE=GunFox;49675729]On a side note, I am amused by the term "military grade" TNT. Military grade TNT doesn't exist. Grade A and grade B TNT exist. Grade A is absolutely the more pure variant, buuuuut both forms are used in military applications.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=dai;49676614]is there any term for some pretty awful homemade variety or is it all just lumped down to grade B, or is it just considered a different compound at such low quality/dilution/whatever[/QUOTE]That would be Grade B, you can tell it's the shitty grade because it's a shitty brown color. Grade B is never used these days because the old processes used to make TNT aren't used anymore, Grade A is the standard stuff you'll find. [editline]5th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;49676660]Grade B is "crude" grade TNT. It is generally mixed with another explosive in order to get it to actually detonate.[/QUOTE]Back in the day when Grade B was the more common of the two they used to make a booster out of pure A Grade and that would actually detonate the rest of the charge. If you're a homebrew hero probably the best thing to do is cut it with ANFO and use a lead azide detonator.
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[QUOTE=dai;49672965]because paper is ultra light and easily catches a breeze, and depending on how many windows are open and other factors like only having them open on one side, there's a lot of air circulating through the car turbulently. Papers/bags/etc aren't going to move much if you've just got one window cracked, but two windows on the same side will create a small vortex through the car (helpful tip: great way to clear smells out), and having all windows open invites a lot of whippy turbulence depending on exterior conditions and your car's own aerodynamics[/QUOTE] This isn't quite correct in all cases: If you have an air current over an opening, the stagnation pressure of that system is lower than the the static pressure by [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_pressure"][img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/c/8/ec8ec06139093baceb1cd1af74fd3a3f.png[/img][/URL]. (Click for an explanation of the symbols.) You can show this easily with a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect"]venturi meter[/URL]: [img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/VenturiFlow.png[/img] The outcome is that for a moving car, the interior pressure will drop below the exterior pressure if you were to measure both statically in their respective inertial systems. This is what makes your ears pop when you open or close a window. There is no permanent net flow, but right after opening the window there is some net suction.
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;49672179]This is like my biggest fear on planes. If I get seated near the emergency exit, I get so fucking uncomfortable.[/QUOTE] I was about to laugh, but then I realized how happy I am people like you exist. I've gained many a seat upgrade from people being too scared to sit in the emergency exit seat. Hell, if anything happens that warrants that door being used, I'm not very likely to live through it anyway. Might as well have some legroom.
[QUOTE=Aetna;49680062]I was about to laugh, but then I realized how happy I am people like you exist. I've gained many a seat upgrade from people being too scared to sit in the emergency exit seat. Hell, if anything happens that warrants that door being used, I'm not very likely to live through it anyway. Might as well have some legroom.[/QUOTE] Uh, if you're in the situation where that door has to be used and you're already expecting to die, I'm pretty sure that will reflect on your effectiveness in helping others and you absolutely do not deserve that seat. Sounds like you should be in a different corner with no expectations instead of focusing so much on your precious legroom. I won't be able to stop you from taking that seat, but you're definitely lesser of a person for taking it without taking it seriously.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49688976]Uh, if you're in the situation where that door has to be used and you're already expecting to die, I'm pretty sure that will reflect on your effectiveness in helping others and you absolutely do not deserve that seat. Sounds like you should be in a different corner with no expectations instead of focusing so much on your precious legroom. I won't be able to stop you from taking that seat, but you're definitely lesser of a person for taking it without taking it seriously.[/QUOTE] I never once said I wouldn't be able to function properly in the event of an emergency. They ask you quite explicitly if you understand the responsibilities of an exit row seat and I always say yes. Do you not understand what a joke is? It still amazes me that anyone can live in fear of a plane crash.
[QUOTE=Aetna;49690852]I never once said I wouldn't be able to function properly in the event of an emergency. They ask you quite explicitly if you understand the responsibilities of an exit row seat and I always say yes. Do you not understand what a joke is? It still amazes me that anyone can live in fear of a plane crash.[/QUOTE] I just think it's slightly annoying that you're laughing at everyone else for [I]not[/I] taking a seat and for having a fear of a plane crash. It's condescending over something dumb. [quote]Hell, if anything happens that warrants that door being used, I'm not very likely to live through it anyway.[/quote] "I'll take this seat and if I ever have to do anything we're probably going to die anyway, so fuck it." If it's a joke, it's just not a good joke. Dunno what to tell ya.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;49691374]I just think it's slightly annoying that you're laughing at everyone else for [I]not[/I] taking a seat and for having a fear of a plane crash. It's condescending over something dumb. "I'll take this seat and if I ever have to do anything we're probably going to die anyway, so fuck it." If it's a joke, it's just not a good joke. Dunno what to tell ya.[/QUOTE] I think you're taking what I said a bit seriously. What I said was, "I was about to laugh" (at one person in particular, not everyone), I never said "lol you idiots you're scared of the exit seat hue hue". Statistically speaking the chances of an airplane crash are nil, being afraid of being anywhere in a plane is foreign to me as I've flown my whole life. The exit row seats are considered "Priority" or "Premium" seats by most airlines. People pay extra for those seats, I highly doubt everyone who does is sitting at attention prepared for the worst case scenario. Most people sleep, drink themselves to sleep, or take anti-anxiety medication on planes as it is. I'm well aware of the requirements of sitting in an exit row seat, so I apologize for making light of a scenario that's one in a million. In the event of an emergency I'd open the damn door and usher people out as instructed, why is this such a sensitive subject to you?
I misread it then. It sounded like you were laughing at everyone. Apologies.
According to some sources, the man that was sucked out was in fact the bomber. What a failed attempt at terrorism. Only one casualty, and it was him. Well deserved!
instant karma lol
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