'Violent Video Game Ban' Law Struck Down by Supreme Court
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[QUOTE=johan_sm;30743752]When I was 14 I could get any game in the store without my parents, be it 17+ or even 18+[/QUOTE]
Irrelevant. Its the stores fault for allowing you to purchase it.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;30743752]When I was 14 I could get any game in the store without my parents, be it 17+ or even 18+[/QUOTE]
The employee could be fired since he's violating ESRB policy. Regardless of whatever special treatment YOU received, there still happens to be a rule against these sort of things.
[editline]27th June 2011[/editline]
fuckin ninja'd
[quote]"As a result of their decision, Wal-Mart and the video game industry will continue to make billions of dollars at the expense of our kids' mental health and the safety of our community,"[/quote]
That's bullshit.
1. Video games have never been solidly proven to cause any sort of mental health issues in children, and your community is no safer without video games than it is with them.
2. It's up to the parents to decide whether or not that's true, and whether or not their kids should be playing video games which YOU consider violent, in fact that is the whole point of PEGI and the ESRB. You talk about free speech yet that's the one thing this thing will take away. Merchants don't even fucking sell M or 18+ rated games anyways, so you're essentially beating a dead horse, only in a legal and official matter.
[editline]27th June 2011[/editline]
I couldn't even go and buy the Noble Map Pack for Halo Reach, I had to go home and then use my parent's credit card.
[editline]27th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30744315]They've been allowing violent movies for decades, why should video games be treated any differently?[/QUOTE]
because you push buttons and violence happens!!!! it's a big difference!!!
When really movies are worse, seeing as how that's automatic.
Here's an initiative: let's make the most violent video game ever. Rendered in-engine and whatnot. However, no buttons are ever pressed. We can market it as the most hardcore video game ever, yet no controller input will ever be needed.
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;30743593]I've played violent games since I was 5 years old. I turned out just fine.[/QUOTE]
Playing violent games since I was 3. :frogc00l:
[QUOTE=Pepin;30744251]It stems from the confirmation bias and the pattern recognition. It's an understandable fault because it is instinctively built in. People will come to some conclusion, and look for patterns or evidence that supports it, and forget anything that goes against their observations. The media also have a big part to play in this because it is a hot button topic and they try to incorporate it into many stories to get ratings.
This is what happened with blues and jazz. Blacks were the primary people who played this music, and they reportedly committed the most crime. Due to this association many people made the claim that blues and jazz was the devil's music and would make you violent and commit crimes. The logic usually follows as
X group does Y
X group statistically commits more crime
X group commits more crime because of Y
The issue with the claim is there isn't anything besides association that link Y to crime, and the even bigger problem is that it does not contrast against an X group that does not do Y.
My point is that although people who crusade against jazz, blues, movies, and video games are wrong, it is essential to understand that they are just eliciting a common and natural fault in human reasoning.[/QUOTE]
I know I'm being rude, but you didn't need inform me of the point I was trying to make. The plan was to keep it simple, WAY TO RUIN MY DAY.
If you ban violent Video games, then you should ban the violent side of the Internet too (The best parts), and the mature side of TV, and the media, and speech, and you should also silence free marketing and freedom of speech. You might as well, because then you wont see these 'harmful' images anymore, and you best be [I]extremely[/I] effective about it, because it's going to be impossibly hard to ban all of that.
The parents and the parents alone are responsible for the children. If you don't want your kid playing a game where you rape babies,
[B]Then dont get your kid the bloody damn game in the first place and explain why its wrong, open up to that little shitting dick head monkey for once and be a parent for fucks sake, its [i]your[/i] child, be a parent and act like one, it isn't that hard to take 5 minutes off your time to explain simple shit like why baby raping games are bad. Stop soccer momming and trying to ban shit just because you cant talk to your child you fat ignorant bitchy cunt.[/B]
*cough* excuse me, sorry about that. Just having some revolutionary ideas for soccer moms
[QUOTE=killover;30755963]Playing violent games since I was 3. :frogc00l:[/QUOTE]
And now you're a MLP lover.
[QUOTE=sYnced;30743667]They're pretending that kids under 18 can buy video games without their parents.
Most rated M games require that the parents purchase it.
Therefore, what a pointless fucking law.[/QUOTE]
I've bought postal2 when I was like 12 years old. The retail seller said "aren't you're a little too young for this", I said no, and added that my brother wanted to play this as well, as he did. The seller didn't even care and sold it.
No one here cares about video game ratings, well atleast they didnt in the old days
Good times
But I guess a different country has a different point of view(talking not from consumer point of view)
[QUOTE=Ultimate7MK;30759663]And now you're a MLP lover.[/QUOTE]
I guess violent videogames really are bad for you!
Prepare for Grand Theft Tetris.
[QUOTE=sYnced;30755539]The employee could be fired since he's violating ESRB policy. Regardless of whatever special treatment YOU received, there still happens to be a rule against these sort of things.
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My friend told me where he worked (don't remember the name, game or gamestop or something with game in it) they(clerks) were encouraged to sell games to underage kids as long as the parents aren't with them. But that was 3 years ago and he doesn't work there anymore, so I dunno if something changed
I thought California was a liberal state
i was the only kid in my school whose parents didnt allow them to play violent video games :saddowns:
Been playing Doom since I was 3, only killed 2 people.
I think I am doing ok.
[QUOTE=killover;30755963]Playing violent games since I was 3. :frogc00l:[/QUOTE]
nice life?
All I see them wanting is a [b]legally[/b] enforceable version of the ESRB.
Whats so wrong with that? I mean virtually all nationwide stores enforce the ESRB's policy, so it's not like anything would change all that much.
[editline]28th June 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Slight;30755538]Irrelevant. Its the stores fault for allowing you to purchase it.[/QUOTE]
It's either the stores policy to follow or not follow the ESRB's rating system and enforce the ages.
There is no law preventing a store from selling an Adult Only game to a 3 year old that wants it, only a stores policy.
[QUOTE=Keegs;30765744]All I see them wanting is a [b]legally[/b] enforceable version of the ESRB.
Whats so wrong with that? I mean virtually all nationwide stores enforce the ESRB's policy, so it's not like anything would change all that much.
[editline]28th June 2011[/editline]
It's either the stores policy to follow or not follow the ESRB's rating system and enforce the ages.
There is no law preventing a store from selling an Adult Only game to a 3 year old that wants it, only a stores policy.[/QUOTE]
That would be the government trying to parent children rather than the parents themselves. The ESRB ratings are just a suggestion, not actual law. A parent can look at the box of a game and see it is rated for Teens and make the decision to buy or not to buy the game for little 8 year old Jimmy.
We're all for banning video games. But we're not for loosing a bunch of money!
I believe when they said making the sell of violent videogames illegal that they mean all types of violence even if it means running into a guy with a skate board.
Man when will something new come out for the white soccer moms to get angry at so they can leave videogames alone.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;30743752]When I was 14 I could get any game in the store without my parents, be it 17+ or even 18+[/QUOTE]
I'm 15 and the gamestop guys couldn't give two shits about my age although I do have a mustache and a deep voice.
[QUOTE=Keegs;30765744]All I see them wanting is a [b]legally[/b] enforceable version of the ESRB.
Whats so wrong with that? I mean virtually all nationwide stores enforce the ESRB's policy, so it's not like anything would change all that much.[/QUOTE]
Why should government be involved? Why is force needed? Aren't there typically unforeseen consequences with laws?
The ESRB is nothing but a suggestion and it should stay that way.
[QUOTE=cathal6606;30761490]I thought California was a liberal state[/QUOTE]
California has never truly been a liberal state, though many think of it as such due to the few places like San Fran and other coastal areas.
California is a very large state, and most of it is farmland and agriculture based cities.
Most of California has been, and probably will be for the foreseeable future, a strongly republican state.
When I was young, I watched my brother play GTA, timesplitters, Counter Strike and all of those violent video games.
Video games actually help me relax, not make me go mad.
I remember watching Woody the woodpecker as a kid. A few days ago I was bored and watching old cartoons. I realized as I was watching it, if it had blood it we be more violent then some of the video games on the market currently.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;30783650]I remember watching Woody the woodpecker as a kid. A few days ago I was bored and watching old cartoons. I realized as I was watching it, if it had blood it we be more violent then some of the video games on the market currently.[/QUOTE]
Tom & Jerry is another example. I watched that show all the time, and it was loaded with violence. Not blood, sure, but if hitting someone over the head with a sledgehammer isn't violent, I don't know what is.
[QUOTE=Minimole;30770330]I'm 15 and the gamestop guys couldn't give two shits about my age although I do have a mustache and a deep voice.[/QUOTE]
I'm 18 and I can't purchase M rated games, you know how much that sucks to wait all that time and still look too young, they won't even accept my ID!
[QUOTE=Badunkadunk;30790591]I'm 18 and I can't purchase M rated games, you know how much that sucks to wait all that time and still look too young, they won't even accept my ID![/QUOTE]
Aren't they legally obligated to? I know that'd get them in trouble with the law over here.
I give them an ID, they say it's not a state ID, even though it is. The only time I ever get by their stonewalling is if the manager happens to be there and calls the cashier over and points out that it IS a state ID.
[QUOTE=Pinkamina;30762929]Been playing Doom since I was 3, only killed 2 people.
I think I am doing ok.[/QUOTE]
As long as you kill less people in real life than you have in video games they can't make the connection between the two!
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