• Pot smoking not so harmful to the lungs, study finds.
    137 replies, posted
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;34156567]Again, I would like to quote Time Magazine's crop of the year, 1938 (if I'm not mistaken on the year), Hemp. Hemp may not have been popular at the time in Europe, but there's no denying that it was in the US. All the major people behind banning the drug were lobbyists for the paper industry, and the first law against Marijuana, specifically banned the Hemp crop, not the drug Marijuana. All propaganda from the time were outright lies, not misunderstandings of the actual effects of the drug. Anyway I don't really know what this has to do with the thread, so I'm going to drop it.[/QUOTE] I would like to say that if it was a popular cash crop in America, then why was it not grown elsewhere? Hemp production kept steadily declining worldwide. In the USA, annual production kept declining, by 1933 it had reached 500 tons a year. The fact is that hemp is an old crop that cannot adapt to the modern world. Alternatives exist which are far superior to hemp and are more favourable to produce on an industrial scale. World hemp pulp production was believed to be around 120,000 tons per year in 1991 which was about 0.05% of the world's annual pulp production volume. The total world production of hemp fibre had in 2003 declined to about 60 000 to 80 000 tons. Hemp is also only harvested once a year, requiring it to be kept in storage in plants year round for annual production, and only 25% of the stem is of acceptable quality to be used in paper production. Hempen rope also easily rots, unless it undergoes extensive and expensive treatment, which prolongs its lifespan. Paper and textile industries destroyed the hemp industry, not with legislation but with competition. It is simply cheaper and easier to use other materials than hemp. Same with other industries. Biofuels are cheaper to produce from faeces or kitchen waste is more cost effective. Hemp has simply been replaced.
[QUOTE=teslacoil;34156515]Cannabidiol intake retards cancer growth. Why can't we all just vape? Still waiting for a sub-$25 vape. Pipes and roll-ups are so much more economical for now.[/QUOTE] You could get this: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Topoo-Herbal-aromatherapy-vaporizer-VP-100/dp/B0045TBL0U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_2/188-5590004-5884250[/url] It's not sub $25, but hell, it's only $6 extra.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;34156698]You could get this: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Topoo-Herbal-aromatherapy-vaporizer-VP-100/dp/B0045TBL0U/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hpc_2/188-5590004-5884250[/url] It's not sub $25, but hell, it's only $6 extra.[/QUOTE] Is it any good? It sure as hell isn't discrete.
Why do people always bring hemp into legalisation arguments when hemp is actually legal?
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;34156718]Why do people always bring hemp into legalisation arguments when hemp is actually legal?[/QUOTE] Marijuana advocates usually ride along on the tail of hemp by promoting all its varied uses "Which have better alternatives" in order to garner support for their movement. It is lying in itself even if hemp was that useful, as the hemp plant has sod all to do with marijuana.
Yea I know I hate it when I'm arguing for marijuana legalisation and some idiot brings up hemp usage as a a reason for legalisation. I mean I support legalisation but I will still tell people when their arguments for it are flawed.
I honestly doubt the 'DRUGZ R BAD' crowd really cares whether or not the drug is actually harmful.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34156741]Marijuana advocates usually ride along on the tail of hemp by promoting all its varied uses "Which have better alternatives" in order to garner support for their movement. It is lying in itself even if hemp was that useful, as the hemp plant has sod all to do with marijuana.[/QUOTE] cause they're like hanging off trees, man
[QUOTE=zombini;34155619]My dad usually lights up every 2-3 days. However, one of his friends would light up 6-7 times a DAY, and died in Utah from Pneumonia. I don't blame weed at all for his death, he was always scrawny and sickly, it's probably just that this got the better of him and killed him.[/QUOTE] Most people actually mix weed with tobacco, so that's more likely where he got pneumonia from.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34156666]I would like to say that if it was a popular cash crop in America, then why was it not grown elsewhere? Hemp production kept steadily declining worldwide. In the USA, annual production kept declining, by 1933 it had reached 500 tons a year. The fact is that hemp is an old crop that cannot adapt to the modern world. Alternatives exist which are far superior to hemp and are more favourable to produce on an industrial scale. World hemp pulp production was believed to be around 120,000 tons per year in 1991 which was about 0.05% of the world's annual pulp production volume. The total world production of hemp fibre had in 2003 declined to about 60 000 to 80 000 tons. Hemp is also only harvested once a year, requiring it to be kept in storage in plants year round for annual production, and only 25% of the stem is of acceptable quality to be used in paper production. Hempen rope also easily rots, unless it undergoes extensive and expensive treatment, which prolongs its lifespan. Paper and textile industries destroyed the hemp industry, not with legislation but with competition. It is simply cheaper and easier to use other materials than hemp.[/QUOTE] Edit: The more I read about this, the less I'm sure of who is right. There doesn't seem to be much unbiased information either way. So I'm just going to stop arguing. Either way the illegalization of Marijuana was rushed and done for corrupt and idiotic reasons. Needless to say, the issue was much more complicated than either of our reasons. [QUOTE=teslacoil;34156708]Is it any good? It sure as hell isn't discrete.[/QUOTE] It's not discrete but it's a damn good vaporizer. [QUOTE=Stormcharger;34156718]Why do people always bring hemp into legalisation arguments when hemp is actually legal?[/QUOTE] Hemp isn't legal to grow in the US. It's legal to import and own, though.
[QUOTE=Crimor;34156795]Most people actually mix weed with tobacco, so that's more likely where he got pneumonia from.[/QUOTE] Maybe in Europe, I haven't met anyone that mixes the two here.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;34156798]Doesn't change the fact that Harry Anslinger (I had been calling him Henry, I don't know why I always do that), the person who propagated "Reefer Madness" and helped pass the first ban on Marijuana, was a lobbyist for the paper mill industry. Hemp production had been dropping at the time, but new methods for harvesting it were being researched and at the time it was predicted to become a new billion dollar crop. This is where the Time Magazine article comes into play. That is what scared the paper industry, not the current popularity of the crop. It's not discrete but it's a damn good vaporizer. Hemp isn't legal to grow in the US. It's legal to import and own, though.[/QUOTE] It is legal to grow in ten states. [editline]11th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=teslacoil;34156807]Maybe in Europe, I haven't met anyone that mixes the two here.[/QUOTE] Yea noone except smokers mix the two here as well.
[QUOTE=teslacoil;34156807]Maybe in Europe, I haven't met anyone that mixes the two here.[/QUOTE] I don't know why anyone would bother. Tobacco smoke is harsh and tastes like shit, unlike cannabis smoke which is usually sweet and (somewhat) smooth. Inhaling tobacco stings the hell out of my throat.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;34156870]I don't know why anyone would bother. Tobacco smoke is harsh and tastes like shit, unlike cannabis smoke which is usually sweet and (somewhat) smooth. Inhaling tobacco stings the hell out of my throat.[/QUOTE] to be honest to me only hydro grown plants have the sweet taste as to a regularly grown taste like absolute shit
By the way, the source has an extra ] in it that makes it not work.
[QUOTE=Rediscover;34156498]i dont get why people are so extremely pro-vape, like it really matters all that much because personally even though vaping is safer i still prefer smoking a bowl to hitting a vape its just part of the experience you know?[/QUOTE] Nothing wrong with wanting to get the most out of your herb. Smoking is funner though and I enjoy the throat hit.
Well the study said one or two a week. It's still just as bad as smoking you just do it less. I hate the news that try to make cannabis into some kind of miracle. When it's simply not as harmful as the common people think. It's like saying smoking is not that harmful "if you smoke less". Or alcohol is not that harmful "if you drink less". No shit.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34157131]Well the study said one or two a week. It's still just as bad as smoking you just do it less. I hate the news that try to make cannabis into some kind of miracle. When it's simply not as harmful as the common people think. It's like saying smoking is not that harmful "if you smoke less". Or alcohol is not that harmful "if you drink less". No shit.[/QUOTE] It's not just as bad as smoking. The ingredients in tobacco smoke don't retard the growth of cancer cells.
Doesn't it depend on what you use to smoke it? Like, obviously it's going to be more harmful on your lungs to smoke a joint/blunt than it would be to use a vaporizer or even a bong.
[QUOTE=DSG;34157290]Doesn't it depend on what you use to smoke it? Like, obviously it's going to be more harmful on your lungs to smoke a joint/blunt than it would be to use a vaporizer or even a bong.[/QUOTE] Vaporizing isn't considered smoking when you're talking about weed. Smoking is lighting a joint or bowl on fire and inhaling the smoke.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;34157268]It's not just as bad as smoking. The ingredients in tobacco smoke don't retard the growth of cancer cells.[/QUOTE] It's not a miracle drug and never will be.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34157400]It's not a miracle drug and never will be.[/QUOTE] I never said that. It's a well known fact that Cannabidiol and other cannabinoids help to retard cancer cell growth by stimulating the body's natural cancer fighting systems. Also, the study was one or two joints smoked a week, compared to one or two cigarettes smoked a week.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34157400]It's not a miracle drug and never will be.[/QUOTE] Seems like a miracle drug to me and I do not see how your post disproves his statement. Don't pull a Romney and just ignore Cannabis' brilliance. But what's [i]your[/i] definition of miracle drug.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34157426]Seems like a miracle drug to me and I do not see how your post disproves his statement. Don't pull a Romney and just ignore Cannabis' brilliance. But what's [i]your[/i] definition of miracle drug.[/QUOTE] Something that cures balding, erectile dysfunction, and acts as an anti depressant. That also happens to act as a cure for cancer.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34157400]It's not a miracle drug and never will be.[/QUOTE] ever watch tim & eric high? if that's not a miracle i don't know what is.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;34157452]Something that cures balding, erectile dysfunction, and acts as an anti depressant. That also happens to act as a cure for cancer.[/QUOTE] Well if you'll accept something that just fights cancer instead then I'd say we have a winner. :v:
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;34157425]I never said that. It's a well known fact that Cannabidiol and other cannabinoids help to retard cancer cell growth by stimulating the body's natural cancer fighting systems. Also, the study was one or two joints smoked a week, compared to one or two cigarettes smoked a week.[/QUOTE] It [B]might[/B] stop prostate cancer, just like low fat milk [B]might[/B] cause prostate cancer. It's not a miracle drug. [QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34157426]Seems like a miracle drug to me and I do not see how your post disproves his statement. Don't pull a Romney and just ignore Cannabis' brilliance. But what's [i]your[/i] definition of miracle drug.[/QUOTE] People that blindly believe it's a cure for everything. It's not.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34157498] It's not a miracle drug. People that blindly believe it's a cure for everything. It's not.[/QUOTE] Hey now don't pull a Romney and avoid the question all together. (yes I know I forgot a question mark) What is your definition of a miracle drug?
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;34157498]It [B]might[/B] stop prostate cancer, just like low fat milk [B]might[/B] cause prostate cancer. It's not a miracle drug. People that blindly believe it's a cure for everything. It's not.[/QUOTE] No one said anything like that until you did actually it's kind of hilarious how often people like you are the ones who say that most often.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;34157523]Hey now don't pull a Romney and avoid the question all together. (yes I know I forgot a question mark) What is your definition of a miracle drug?[/QUOTE] A drug that's completely harmless and help with any kind of problem. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;34157538]No one said anything like that until you did actually it's kind of hilarious how often people like you are the ones who say that most often.[/QUOTE] What's hilarious is all the news over how great and amazing cannabis is. When it's nothing special about it.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.