• Jogger who shot and killed his assailant gets off without charges
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[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;27510447]it's self defense, the man felt his life was in danger so he responded accordingly. what was he supposed to do? let himself get potentially killed?[/QUOTE] A mugging is not an attempted murder. Thats a paranoid thought. Infact, reacting in self defence is more likely to get your shit fucked up if the other person actually does have a firearm. What people are saying is that it's better a 16 year old boy be murdered than a 38 year old man loose 500 bucks. It would be a better outcome if nobody died and the jogger lost his 500 dollars.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;27510400]That's hardly a justification for murder.[/QUOTE] I don't give a good fuck what you want to call it
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;27510513]A mugging is not an attempted murder. Thats a paranoid thought. Infact, reacting in self defence is more likely to get your shit fucked up if the other person actually does have a firearm. What people are saying is that it's better a 16 year old boy be murdered than a 38 year old man loose 500 bucks.[/QUOTE] Because he knew exactly why the 16 year old was attacking him and the extent to which that attack would have gone.
While I support using a gun to defend oneself, it should only be used as an ABSOLUTE LAST FUCKING RESORT. As in you are moments away from being killed, not oh baww this guy punched me in the face I'm going to shoot him eight fucking times.
[QUOTE=nigfops;27510549]While I support using a gun to defend oneself, it should only be used as an ABSOLUTE LAST FUCKING RESORT. As in you are moments away from being killed, not oh baww this guy punched me in the face I'm going to shoot him eight fucking times.[/QUOTE] Why do people keep ignoring the second person and the fact he didn't fire all 8 rounds into only one person?
[QUOTE=Vandl92;27510546]Because he knew exactly why the 16 year old was attacking him and the extent to which that attack would have gone.[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean you should assume you're going to get murdered. The kid was 16, the guy was 38 and judging from the article, was pretty fit and could have taken him down without a gun in the first place. If the kid had a firearm too, wouldn't he have already used it if he wanted to murder.
While guns can make the difference between life and death in the correct circumstances, it seems all to often that somebody gets mugged and they simply blast the offender into next year without even a warning.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27510540]I don't give a good fuck what you want to call it[/QUOTE] That's hardly a good rebuttal. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Broseph_;27510598]Why do people keep ignoring the second person and the fact he didn't fire all 8 rounds into only one person?[/QUOTE] I don't think you read the actual article. The second person ran away without taking any bullets. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;27510628]While guns can make the difference between life and death in the correct circumstances, it seems all to often that somebody gets mugged and they simply blast the offender into next year without even a warning.[/QUOTE] This.
[quote]Too bad pepper spray requires you to be in stabbing distance, and the fact it's incapable of disabling the threat, which means just as likely as it to stop them it's as likely to send him into a rage that will fuck you up even more And don't even start with that Taser bullshit, it's a single shot weapon and if one probe misses you are fucked[/quote]Have you ever been hit by pepper spray before? The worst somebody hit by pepper spray can do is flail around in blinding agony. Albiet that can still be a danger, its no less dangerous than stray rounds flying around from over-penetration or missed shots.
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;27510624]That doesn't mean you should assume you're going to get murdered. The kid was 16, the guy was 38 and judging from the article, was pretty fit and could have taken him down without a gun in the first place. If the kid had a firearm too, wouldn't he have already used it if he wanted to murder.[/QUOTE] First of all the article says that he was jogging to get in shape before applying to the military. That doesn't mean anything. Second of all, just because the kid didn't kill him right away doesn't mean that he isn't armed and that the man's life isn't in danger. "Oh he didn't kill me right away, that must mean I'll walk away from this just fine and dandy", especially since the kid had already hit him in the face.
Facepunch logic is so obscure
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;27510631]That's hardly a good rebuttal. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] I don't think you read the actual article. The second person ran away without taking any bullets.[/QUOTE] That wasn't a rebuttal, that was my fucking opinion And so what if the second cunt ran away, doesn't mean he simply unloaded his entire magazine at the person he killed person, and lets take into account the fact 8 Bullets aren't that many in the firearms world, considering even subcompact Glock 26s have 10 rounds by default [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Glock_26.JPG/220px-Glock_26.JPG[/img]
If he missed the second target that means he was running by that point. By missing he put other peoples lives in extreme danger. If that is the case your point is null because this was extremely irresponsible use of a firearm. From the sounds of it this guy just took his pistol out and started blasting wildly.
[QUOTE=privatesmily;27503789]the guy is probably scarred for life knowing he killed someone even if it was because he feared his life[/QUOTE] Are you scarred for life at the fact you killed a cat with RAID
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27510863]If he missed the second target that means he was running by that point. By missing he put other peoples lives in extreme danger. If that is the case your point is null because this was extremely irresponsible use of a firearm. From the sounds of it this guy just took his pistol out and started blasting wildly.[/QUOTE] Life isn't a FPS where you have access to Steady Aim Pro and a set of Crosshairs to aim with
[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;27510624]That doesn't mean you should assume you're going to get murdered. The kid was 16, the guy was 38 and judging from the article, was pretty fit and could have taken him down without a gun in the first place. If the kid had a firearm too, wouldn't he have already used it if he wanted to murder.[/QUOTE] two young adults came out of nowhere and hit this guy in the face. it's two vs one. this wasn't a "give me your money" mugging, they came out of nowhere and started wailing on him. [editline]18th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=nigfops;27510549]While I support using a gun to defend oneself, it should only be used as an ABSOLUTE LAST FUCKING RESORT. As in you are moments away from being killed, not oh baww this guy punched me in the face I'm going to shoot him eight fucking times.[/QUOTE] moments away huh, you must love risking grave injury.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27510991]Life isn't a FPS where you have access to Steady Aim Pro and a set of Crosshairs to aim with[/QUOTE] So because of that it's alright to whip out your sidearm in a residential area and start letting off indiscriminate shots that are probably also pointed in the direction of houses or inhabited buildings? Guns defense in grave danger is a legit cause, but from the sounds of it, this guy got smacked in the face (not very hard apparently) and he whipped out a gun and fired off 8 shots in a residential area, killing his assailant who [I]evidently[/I] didn't hit him very hard. I think the punk would have backed off had he known the jogger was armed, I highly doubt the jogger gave any warning whatsoever.
he could have not shot him and possibly have been killed himself.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;27496341][url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346574/Jogger-Thomas-Baker-shot-dead-unarmed-mugger-released-charge.html]Yes, it's Daily Mail, sue me[/url] So basically, this guy was out jogging, heard this teen saying something along the lines of 'I'm gonna knock him out' and promptly got punched in the face. Out of panic/self defense, he grabbed his gun (LEGALLY OWNED AND HE HAD A PERMIT FOR IT, JUST IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING), fired 8 shots and killed one of his assailants (who was unarmed btw). He's being let off without charges citing a law that states you're allowed to use deadly force if you believe your life is in danger. This should be an interesting thread to say the least.[/QUOTE] Sounds reasonable. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] If he was a cop nobody would be surprised.
[QUOTE=QuadCoreGman;27511392]he could have not shot him and possibly have been killed himself.[/QUOTE] Or he could have gave warning, gauged the reaction, and if the assailant didnt back off then he could have fired. If the kid had actually intended to harm him then the first punch would have brought him down. He would not be in any condition to draw and fire a weapon. This just sounds like a pissant little punk who wanted to show off to his buddies by scaring some random guy, if it wasn't you'd be hearing a story about how a jogger was beaten to death.
Wonder what his parents think. [editline]19th January 2011[/editline] (dead guys)
And this is exactly how it should be. Thank you for exemplifying good utilization of gun ownership, anonymous jogger!
[QUOTE=QuadCoreGman;27511392]he could have not shot him and possibly have been killed himself.[/QUOTE] Sad thing is you can't just murder someone because you think they might have a gun. Sure it keeps you a bit safer, but at the expense of someone elses life. If you are going to kill another human being then you had better be sure without even the slightest doubt that you will be killed if you don't.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27511344]So because of that it's alright to whip out your sidearm in a residential area and start letting off indiscriminate shots that are probably also pointed in the direction of houses or inhabited buildings? Guns defense in grave danger is a legit cause, but from the sounds of it, this guy got smacked in the face (not very hard apparently) and he whipped out a gun and fired off 8 shots in a residential area, killing his assailant who [I]evidently[/I] didn't hit him very hard. I think the punk would have backed off had he known the jogger was armed, I highly doubt the jogger gave any warning whatsoever.[/QUOTE] when some dick comes out of the bushes and hits you i think it's past the time for warnings because you've already been assaulted.
I highly advocate self defense, even in this kind of situation. As soon as kids, adults or anyone attempt to do a criminal act like this, they should know beforehand that there is a high chance of getting injured/killed. From my perspective, as soon as someone tries to mug/physically harm me, their life doesn't matter compared to mine, and i would act accordingly
Would've been more surprised if he received charges. The 2nd amendment has really hit the shitter as of late.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;27511540]when some dick comes out of the bushes and hits you i think it's past the time for warnings because you've already been assaulted.[/QUOTE] Like I said, if the dick had actually been dangerous than the first punch easily would have brought the jogger down. The whole thing is null, the guy was NOT in danger, he used poor judgment, and did not attempt other means of defense before he pulled a gun and began firing.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;27511583]Like I said, if the dick had actually been dangerous than the first punch easily would have brought him down.[/QUOTE] so because the first punch didn't bring the guy down he wasn't a potential threat and wasn't dangerous at all?
[QUOTE=Fremontsmith;27511541]I highly advocate self defense, even in this kind of situation. As soon as kids, adults or anyone attempt to do a criminal act like this, they should know beforehand that there is a high chance of getting injured/killed. From my perspective, as soon as someone tries to mug/physically harm me, their life doesn't matter compared to mine, and i would act accordingly[/QUOTE] Yea fuck everyone, if anyone tries to touch me I'm just going to murder them, even kids! [editline] ... [/editline] By the way you should realize that other states aren't so forgiving to people like you, you try this shit and you could likely end up in prison
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;27511605]so because the first punch didn't bring the guy down he wasn't a potential threat and wasn't dangerous at all?[/QUOTE] It wasn't dangerous enough to fire without any other defense attempts first.
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