• Star Citizen likely to be ~100GB at launch with 14-20GB patches (says wildly speculative blogger)
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[QUOTE=Roll_Program;47305561]Game development shouldn't have to hold back parts of the game to save on file size just because a few people have slow internet, it's 2015. USA average is 33.5 Mb/s and 28.2 in EU. On average, people who have put a lot of money into the PCs to play this game would most likely have the ability to afford above average internet. The average person could just leave it downloading overnight and have it ready by the morning. Rate dumb if you're not part of the target audience and have slow internet.[/QUOTE] I am way into the target audience both net connection wise and hardware wise and I would still like to tell you your are being a tool. A 100gb game download doesn't speak of anything else than technological incompetency. I absolutely do not believe the volume is justified, considering today compression and procedurality technology. They can't be arsed to optimise and compress properly and gullible nerds think it's an exclusive feature that makes them feel great about their expensive computers. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=paul simon;47307037]It might also just be a result of having a lot of assets.[/QUOTE] The massive volume of the FUCKING NOTHING of the actual game they have showed off so far.
" procedurality technology", that takes more time and in places more heavy on processing. So much butt hurt on a loose estimation by people who are too young to remember what some MS dos games took to run (had to have a new hard drive for el fish), might be 200 gigs or less when it comes out. A Chris Robbert's game has at many times pushed limits in size, processing power, and features. This is nothing new
You really do need an ssd to play it though, the loading times would kill you. 100 gb on a mechanical hard drive trying to be loaded, dear god.
Thats 1/5 of my monthly bandwidth cap what the fuck
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47307150]I am way into the target audience both net connection wise and hardware wise and I would still like to tell you your are being a tool. A 100gb game download doesn't speak of anything else than technological incompetency. I absolutely do not believe the volume is justified, considering today compression and procedurality technology. They can't be arsed to optimise and compress properly and gullible nerds think it's an exclusive feature that makes them feel great about their expensive computers. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] The massive volume of the FUCKING NOTHING of the actual game they have showed off so far.[/QUOTE] Stop thinking you know better when you don't have anything to back up your claims with that isn't vague as hell. More content = more storage space. That's just how it works, and you should wait until it actually releases before you complain about inefficient compression. I'm pretty sure it's not like this because they "can't be arsed". I'm sure they'll be using procedural tech for some things, but it's not a magical wonder solution that works in all scenarios. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=MendozaMan;47307224]You really do need an ssd to play it though, the loading times would kill you. 100 gb on a mechanical hard drive trying to be loaded, dear god.[/QUOTE] Well you won't be loading all 100GB of it on startup :v: I mean, the average user doesn't have more than 100GB of RAM. Content will be streamed in where necessary.
Mostly worried about what speed they can supply at launch day and during patch releases. If I can max out my download speed it would take me 27 minutes to download the whole game, but I have severe doubts their servers can manage to give me more than 10MB/s at best.
[QUOTE=acds;47307414]Mostly worried about what speed they can supply at launch day and during patch releases. If I can max out my download speed it would take me 27 minutes to download the whole game, but I have severe doubts their servers can manage to give me more than 10MB/s at best.[/QUOTE] Ideally, they'd supply a p2p downloader/patcher.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47307150]I am way into the target audience both net connection wise and hardware wise and I would still like to tell you your are being a tool. A 100gb game download doesn't speak of anything else than technological incompetency. I absolutely do not believe the volume is justified, considering today compression and procedurality technology. They can't be arsed to optimise and compress properly and gullible nerds think it's an exclusive feature that makes them feel great about their expensive computers. [editline]12th March 2015[/editline] The massive volume of the FUCKING NOTHING of the actual game they have showed off so far.[/QUOTE] The massive volume of ignorance and stupidity you're showing off so far doesn't speak well of your competence either. On what authority do you, when you don't even have the game, claim priveleged knowledge on the amount of content in it?
Hopefully by the time this comes out (around 2016 from what I remember) I'll be upgrading my 1TB Mechanicial Drive to a SSD of similar size.
Makes me glad my ISP decided to go with Unlimited as well as I have fast speeds. Feel so bad for most of the rest of Australia though, it's absolutely insane how long this would take to download on most connections here.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;47305673]Adding to this, people whined when game file size went from CD size to DVD size, and same again when games started becoming more blu-ray sized. File size can't stagnate for the sake of convenience to those with older computers. That being said, I haven't added to my computer since 2007.[/QUOTE] I'm someone with great Internet (For the US, 65/12), multiple SSD's and a few dozen TB of HD's, and I still think this attitude is misplaced or rather illtimed. The size of games seems to be increasing faster than affordable SSD space or internet speeds. That's the issue. Games getting bigger is fine, likely to continue, and probably warranted. The attitude of just upgrade ur machine or get better internet just isn't practical for some folk, they might have the move to do that. For me, I even have a dedicated SSD just for games. And this game in theory would use up 1/3rd of it. Edit: Just to be clear, I don't blame the devs in this case. SC is massive, and I am not surprised it will be so large. I'm just tired of the attitude about games increasing not being a problem for people.
I feel for those how have shitty internet but that doesn't mean they should gib the game, file sizes are only going to get bigger. And ISPs sitting on their fat stack of cash refusing to upgrade their infrastructure is only going to become a bigger problem in the coming years.
Star Citizen: Fuck you if you don't have broadband and a $1500 Gaming PC Christ, i can play Elite: Dangerous at like 50 FPS AND the game is significantly smaller in disk size, but FUCK playing Star Citizen on my computer. It's unplayable and the game isn't even close to being finished. I'll have to delete every single steam game i have if i want to play Star Citizen.
If (like me), peoples are looking at a 2nd SSD -> [url]http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/[/url] [url]http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/OCZ-Vertex-460A-240GB/Rating/3147[/url] This one looks okay.
[QUOTE=Luxuria;47305843]Nah get fucked, thats stupid[/QUOTE] But worth it though.
[QUOTE=Viper123_SWE;47307612]But worth it though.[/QUOTE] We'll see.
I would rather go to the store and buy it on physical media...
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;47305561]USA average is 33.5 Mb/s and 28.2 in EU.[/QUOTE] In what universe does usa have better internet speeds than europe.
[url]http://www.netindex.com/download/allcountries/[/url] Here ya go @Home i can download at ~50Mbps because of the VDSL2 [QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;47307654]I would rather go to the store and buy it on physical media...[/QUOTE] [T]http://a136.idata.over-blog.com/4/55/66/69/Vide-bibliotheque/Lot-de-23-Boitiers-DVD.jpg[/T] have fun :v:
Even though i have a 1TB cap, this is still fucking excessive. That would be 10% of my daily usage. This is why i still buy physical media. Although it would average out to ~10 DVD's or ~2 Blu-ray's depending on how its compressed.
[QUOTE=Disseminate;47305740]I, like many others in southern Canada, have a bandwidth cap of 80 GB/mo at $45/month. It's an extra $2/GB over that to a maximum of $100. This game would cost me not only the game's price, but also the $100 on top of that.[/QUOTE] Southern Canada here - you can get unlimited internet with Rogers for a decent price. They have decent speeds, too. What company are you with to be paying that? You're being ripped off
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;47305561]Game development shouldn't have to hold back parts of the game to save on file size just because a few people have slow internet, it's 2015. USA average is 33.5 Mb/s and 28.2 in EU. On average, people who have put a lot of money into the PCs to play this game would most likely have the ability to afford above average internet. The average person could just leave it downloading overnight and have it ready by the morning. Rate dumb if you're not part of the target audience and have slow internet.[/QUOTE] Yes, "average". Your post itself implies that not everyone is "average". Not everyone in the world has the option to buy fast internet even if they had the money. I know a ton of people who can't get anything faster than DSL 3000 because they live in small towns and villages and there just isn't any other ISP reaching them. For them, it would take 3-4 days downloading the game, delivering it via mail would still be faster in this case. I'm sitting here with a DSL 16000 connection and I'm very happy that I can download shit with 1.6 megabytes per second. It's not possible to get anything faster here.
[QUOTE=Roll_Program;47305561]Game development shouldn't have to hold back parts of the game to save on file size just because a few people have slow internet, it's 2015. USA average is 33.5 Mb/s and 28.2 in EU. On average, people who have put a lot of money into the PCs to play this game would most likely have the ability to afford above average internet. The average person could just leave it downloading overnight and have it ready by the morning. Rate dumb if you're not part of the target audience and have slow internet.[/QUOTE] my download speed is slightly over 2mbps, which translates to roughly 300 kilobytes a second. It takes me an hour to download a gigabyte, and to download this would require 100 hours of non-stop downloading, and not using the internet for anything else.
reading this thread makes me feel really spoiled for having fiber in a town that has less than 10k inhabs :v ive always taken it for granted like i didnt even know bandwidth caps were a thing thats fucking retarded
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;47307016]Telstra won't budge, Optus made efforts to get rid of bandwidth caps with one deal for $110AU/m, iiNet's max internet plan is 1tb, TPG and DoDo have Unlimited internet but they will throttle it if you're downloading too much (plus it's a big gamble to go with DoDo, some areas get full speed, others get throttled to the max) Australia will never step in and say bandwidth caps are illegal[/QUOTE] oh damn iinet gives a tb? i may have to look into that
Not too worried about space on the HDD/SSD, but more worried about downloading the damn thing. Would probably take me 2-3 days at best. I apologize for only having Comcast in my area, I should be punished for slow download speeds am I right? Hopefully, they'll release discs too, I don't mind spending an extra money to play.
Good thing for Romanian internet. But I ain't gonna take a chunk of my 1TB HDD for this game
My data cap is 120 gb. This game would make internet unusable for a whole month.
You guys should request your local game shops to get the game on ssd so you could go in and have them copy it onto your drive.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;47308862]You guys should request your local game shops to get the game on ssd so you could go in and have them copy it onto your drive.[/QUOTE] Roberts Space Industries is going to bring shareware back
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