• McDonald's CEO Says Fast-Food Jobs Can Lead To 'Real Careers'
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[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;44892011]Problem with raising min wage for these types of entry level jobs is simple. At what point is it cheaper to automate the process to eliminate the job. If the wage approaches that "tipping point"- now there's no job at all... Entry level jobs (jobs that anyone can do with a few hours of training) are never going to pay well (unless you happen to live in an area with a fairly hefty labor shortage) That said fast food jobs CAN lead to real careers. That should be your goal at any rate. Why would someone stay a burger flipper for ten plus years? Why would anyone want that?[/QUOTE] I love how people say fast food places are going to invest crazy amounts of money into robotic workers. You do realize these are the same establishments that can't even be asked to replace fryer oil right? So many kitchen fires start because the cheap owners say that black, smoking oil is fine and doesn't need to be changed, when they know damn well it does. But to play devil's advocate let's say they do upgrade. Ever been to a restaurant that changed something as simple as it's POS system? We went from paper to digital and all hell broke loose, missing orders and random shutdowns all day, that stupid thing ruined our service for weeks before the IT guy fixed it. And why does hell always break loose during upgrade time in fast food chains? Because even though the owners want to spend the dosh to upgrade their systems, they always go with the cheapest (shittiest) option. This is one of those situations that look amazing on paper, but get ruined by human error... Actually, I hope YUM! listens to people like you so I can watch them install robo-cooks that spontaneously combust every 30 minutes. I could imagine Yum! Hiring round the clock engineers and programmers for 60-80k a year just so they don't have to pay 15 an hour to the people that work their ass off for them.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44891353][URL="http://www.aboutmcdonalds.com/mcd/our_company/leadership/don_thompson.html"]You mean he started out as an electrical engineer in 1990 with a Bachelor's degree and experience making parts for fighter jets, right?[/URL] [URL="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Thompson_(executive)"]He didn't flip burgers when he got hired either, he made robotic equipment for food transportation.[/URL] Stop saying untrue things, it ruffles muh jimmies.[/QUOTE] My mistake. I didn't realize that they got a new CEO, beings that their [URL="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Skinner"]last CEO[/URL] started out at McDonalds as a manager trainee.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44892500]My mistake. I didn't realize that they got a new CEO, beings that their [URL="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Skinner"]last CEO[/URL] started out at McDonalds as a manager trainee.[/QUOTE] Ok so as a teenager he flipped burgers, then he quits, goes to college, quits that too, joins the navy for ten years and comes back as a manager (trainee just means he's taking the next open management position so no reason to act like he wasn't already management at this point) Actually a funny little note here, he himself doesn't seem to think working entry level was the start of his career, his own autobiography clearly says his career started when he got hired on as management NOT started when he flipped burgers (I know it doesn't matter for the point you're making but I still think it's hilarious) He's where I start to say, "The fuck is this?" He never managed a restaurant? He jumped from trainee store manager to entry level executive? How? He held so many desk management positions in such a short amount of time, and he never contributed to growth... He actually got promoted to international management and held these positions when mcdonalds was faltering most. Then the two guys they pick to be CEO die or get cancer respectively and he's left with a job he wasn't prepared for. So he just regurgitated everything the former CEO said. Which somehow worked, oh and then all the benefits "he" contributed seemed to be Don's ideas before he got promoted. Talk about luck, we should cut off his foot and leave those poor rabbits alone.
jesus christ america is like a third world country sometimes, I've worked at a fairly big grocery store here in Canada for just over half a year and I almost make $11/hr [editline]23rd May 2014[/editline] that said the canadian dollar is kinda weak right now and we have all sorts of taxes on top of that
[QUOTE=Swilly;44889273]"We believe we pay fair and competitive wages."[/QUOTE] Whenever I see companies issuing statements like this, I just imagine them out in the back like [img]http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/amnesty-senators.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44892951]Ok so as a teenager he flipped burgers, then he quits, goes to college, quits that too, joins the navy for ten years and comes back as a manager (trainee just means he's taking the next open management position so no reason to act like he wasn't already management at this point) Actually a funny little note here, he himself doesn't seem to think working entry level was the start of his career, his own autobiography clearly says his career started when he got hired on as management NOT started when he flipped burgers (I know it doesn't matter for the point you're making but I still think it's hilarious) He's where I start to say, "The fuck is this?" He never managed a restaurant? He jumped from trainee store manager to entry level executive? How? He held so many desk management positions in such a short amount of time, and he never contributed to growth... He actually got promoted to international management and held these positions when mcdonalds was faltering most. Then the two guys they pick to be CEO die or get cancer respectively and he's left with a job he wasn't prepared for. So he just regurgitated everything the former CEO said. Which somehow worked, oh and then all the benefits "he" contributed seemed to be Don's ideas before he got promoted. Talk about luck, we should cut off his foot and leave those poor rabbits alone.[/QUOTE] Exactly. If someone who isn't qualified can do it, why can't you? The path is there, you just have to commit and take it. Not everyone is going to be CEOs. That's life. You need to learn to deal with that. But the avenues are there if you are willing to take them.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893057]Exactly. If someone who isn't qualified can do it, why can't you? The path is there, you just have to commit and take it. Not everyone is going to be CEOs. That's life. You need to learn to deal with that. But the avenues are there if you are willing to take them.[/QUOTE] While I don't agree with your philosophy I see its merits, my wife, my best friend and myself are orphans and couldn't get anyone to lift a finger to keep us from going hungry. So we learned how to make money, and how to succeed. My brother owns his own business and I'll be buying my first house soon, and I'm only 21. The one thing I hate is the fact republicans think I should have to go through that kind of pain to get anywhere in life. There should be a bare minimum standard of living. No one deserves poverty.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44893082]While I don't agree with your philosophy I see its merits, my wife, my best friend and myself are orphans and couldn't get anyone to lift a finger to keep us from going hungry. So we learned how to make money, and how to succeed. My brother owns his own business and I'll be buying my first house soon, and I'm only 21. The one thing I hate is the fact republicans think I should have to go through that kind of pain to get anywhere in life. There should be a bare minimum standard of living. No one deserves poverty.[/QUOTE] And don't get me wrong, I agree completely. It's just determining what that bare minimum should be. Everyone has a differing opinion on the matter. I don't believe that a minimum wage job should be able to support a family working 40 hours a week. I think it should be able to support a high school/college student, but not someone who's 32 and has 2 kids. In my opinion, we need a second subset of positions determined "living wage" jobs. These would be one step above regular minimum wage jobs, and be able to support a small family on a 40 hour work week. Something great for single moms and the like. Training for these jobs should also be free to the lower classes so they can work their way up. That's what we need.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893216]And don't get me wrong, I agree completely. It's just determining what that bare minimum should be. Everyone has a differing opinion on the matter. I don't believe that a minimum wage job should be able to support a family working 40 hours a week. I think it should be able to support a high school/college student, [B]but not someone who's 32 and has 2 kids.[/B] [/QUOTE] That's the very heart of the problem. Those are exactly the kinds of people working these jobs. When the recession hit, people weren't exactly choosy about where they worked, so long as they found it. Obviously many of those people never got the chance to move up, as even though the recession is "gone" its scars are still there, and will be for a while. That is true for every depression and recession; it takes a long time to get back to where we started, and then we usually tumble right the fuck back down again. We can't just say "we will pay people under 21 less wages" because many teenagers [I]are the ones supporting their family.[/I] That, and it is discriminatory by age and thus would be unfair. We also couldn't feasibly use the "living wage jobs" idea you proposed because in the end, who decides who gets the normal minimum wage and who gets the living wage? The government? The company? And even then, the amount of money it would cost to hire all the people too judge who gets what wage would concern the people in charge of it, so even if it worked there is no way the government, or the businesses, would do something like that. As with everything, if there was an easy answer we would have picked it already.
Even though I would LOVE minimum wage to go up, I don't even think that's the main problem. Companies give crap hours, so 20 if you're lucky. That isn't enough so you find a second job, they offer 20 hours but because you have another job you can only take 15 of those hours. 35 a week on 7 an hour still isn't enough so you find another job that only has 10 compatible hours. In all you only work 45 hours yet somehow you wake up at 7 and go to bed at 12 with no days off. There should be incentives to fix that crap. I worked for 5 an hour before yet made more there than I ever did before I started college. When you get 72-84 hours a week 5 bucks is enough to survive. But 10 dollars for 20 a week is nothing.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44893351]Even though I would LOVE minimum wage to go up, I don't even think that's the main problem. Companies give crap hours, so 20 if you're lucky. That isn't enough so you find a second job, they offer 20 hours but because you have another job you can only take 15 of those hours. 35 a week on 7 an hour still isn't enough so you find another job that only has 10 compatible hours. In all you only work 45 hours yet somehow you wake up at 7 and go to bed at 12 with no days off. I wish there were incentives to hire full time.[/QUOTE] I remember being a temp at toys-r-us and only getting 7 hours... a week like seriously, I might as well have no job with that looking for a job.
Haha, so not true. People can't live off $400 paychecks every two weeks. Or at least not live in a meaningful way that involves working long hours in a shitty work environment. What I mean by this is that when you come home from work, you're tired and feel dead inside. You don't have a lot of free time and you're lucky to get two days off in a row. When you are at work, it's stressful, fast paced environment where you get bitched at by management or disrespected by customers. That's not a career. That's scraping by. Fast food restaurants pay their employees less than they're worth, but enough to keep them coming backs.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893057]Exactly. If someone who isn't qualified can do it, why can't you? The path is there, you just have to commit and take it. Not everyone is going to be CEOs. That's life. You need to learn to deal with that. But the avenues are there if you are willing to take them.[/QUOTE] This is like a get-rich-quick America your money is out there as long as you reach for it infomercial in Facepunch post format.
[QUOTE=niel12_5D;44893512]This is like a get-rich-quick America your money is out there as long as you reach for it infomercial in Facepunch post format.[/QUOTE] I see that same bullshit a lot from conservatives like him. The implication is "The only reason you're a liberal (and support rights for the poor) is because you're not rich, and the only reason you're not rich is because you're lazy." It's like these people can't imagine another person's political beliefs not being completely self-centered, as if the only reason to be a liberal is because you, personally, want to get paid more.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44893351]Even though I would LOVE minimum wage to go up, I don't even think that's the main problem. Companies give crap hours, so 20 if you're lucky. That isn't enough so you find a second job, they offer 20 hours but because you have another job you can only take 15 of those hours. 35 a week on 7 an hour still isn't enough so you find another job that only has 10 compatible hours. In all you only work 45 hours yet somehow you wake up at 7 and go to bed at 12 with no days off. There should be incentives to fix that crap. I worked for 5 an hour before yet made more there than I ever did before I started college. When you get 72-84 hours a week 5 bucks is enough to survive. But 10 dollars for 20 a week is nothing.[/QUOTE] getting hired on full time positions at minimum wage, at least in canada, doesn't really happen outside of a few companies. benefits and what not kick in on full time employees so, they cut the hours and hire more and hand out less benefits. Shit like that is a big problem.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;44893558]I see that same bullshit a lot from conservatives like him. The implication is "The only reason you're a liberal (and support rights for the poor) is because you're not rich, and the only reason you're not rich is because you're lazy." It's like these people can't imagine another person's political beliefs not being completely self-centered, as if the only reason to be a liberal is because you, personally, want to get paid more.[/QUOTE] I see this same bullshit a lot from liberals. The implication is "The only reason you're a conservative (and don't support "rights" for the poor) is because you're either rich or were lucky enough to make it." It's like they can't imagine a another person's political beliefs having nothing to do with the amount of money they have, and the only reason to be a conservative is to keep all of your bankrolls. Unfortunately, I don't fall into your little generalized stereotypical conservative. I REFUSE to believe that minimum wage is all these people are capable of. I REFUSE to believe that they can't strive and work hard and become the person they want to be. I REFUSE to toss them cash because "you poor fella, you can't do any better." That's bullshit and you know it. I DO support implementing programs to teach people the skills they need to better themselves. I DO support helping a single mom WHILE she is trying to learn a skill to create a better life for her and her child. I DO support helping a poor kid learn the things he needs to move up the ladder in this world and live the life he dreams of every night. And in a sense, you are right. If you DON'T want to better yourself and move out of a minimum wage job, then no, I do not support giving you more of money out of my already tight paycheck. So don't come branding me what you think is the stereotypical conservative. You may think you know me because of some posts on here, but you have no clue who I am, and to put me in a generalized category is quite frankly insulting....
Nice, lots of pathos there. No-one does minimum wage jobs because that's all they want, minimum wage is a institutional problem created by stratified societies and labour inequality. The path isn't there for most people, whether it's because they were born into a situation or social class which doesn't allow them that path or the cultural context they were raised in prevents them from speaking the language or utilising resources that "success" requires. You know, conservatives used to admit that their ideology was about creating a stratified society, the argument used to be that there need to be poor people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;44893656]getting hired on full time positions at minimum wage, at least in canada, doesn't really happen outside of a few companies. benefits and what not kick in on full time employees so, they cut the hours and hire more and hand out less benefits. Shit like that is a big problem.[/QUOTE] You know what's funny Batman? I don't even know what benefits are; I mean I have an idea of what they are, but I've never experienced them. It's like a company pays your insurance or something if you work full time, but I work full time and never get benefits. I've even had places tell me they won't hire me full time because I'll get benefits but I'm always scheduled 35-40 hours a week. Didn't you take an oath the root out corruption and all that with your fists? I mean... now would be a good time to start.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44892500]beings that[/QUOTE] it's "seeing as"
In Estonia, wages are shit, but working in McDonalds and Hesburger (Finnish parody of Burger King) actually wages 4+ euros at the beginning. And that is a very lot here.
Well if you guys are gonna disregard what he says and try to dehumanize him either way at least make it entertaining to read [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893676]Unfortunately, I don't fall into your little generalized stereotypical conservative. I [B]REFUSE[/B] to believe that minimum wage is all these people are capable of. I [B]REFUSE[/B] to believe that they can't strive and work hard and become the person they want to be. I [B]REFUSE[/B] to toss them cash because "you poor fella, you can't do any better." That's bullshit and you know it.[/QUOTE] REFUSE REFUSE REFUSE? Sounds like NEIN NEIN NEIN to me. And look at this quote here! [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893676]So don't come branding me what you think is the stereotypical conservative. You may think you know me because of some posts on here, but you have no clue who I am, and to put me in a generalized category is quite frankly insulting....[/QUOTE] All you have to do is change the terminology and we have the long lost page of the diary of Anne Frank! [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893676]So don't come branding me what you think is the stereotypical Jew. You may think you know me because you read my diary, but you have no clue who I am, and to put me in a generalized category is Anne Frankly insulting....[/QUOTE] If you take the first letter of each sentence, change it to the letters you need, rearrange them and then get rid of all the extras his hidden message is: [QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44893676]Conservatives think Hitler was right[/QUOTE] You cheeky littl' monkey you actually thought you'd get away with this didn't you?
After that train-wreck of a post I don't think you should be giving tips on making entertaining posts.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44893900]Well if you guys are gonna disregard what he says and try to dehumanize him either way at least make it entertaining to read REFUSE REFUSE REFUSE? Sounds like NEIN NEIN NEIN to me. And look at this quote here! All you have to do is change the terminology and we have the long lost page of the diary of Anne Frank! If you take the first letter of each sentence, change it to the letters you need, rearrange them and then get rid of all the extras his hidden message is: You cheeky littl' monkey you actually thought you'd get away with this didn't you?[/QUOTE] I like your train of thought! But seriously, people don't like my ideas because I try to find solutions that don't require a redistribution of wealth. I would fully support free trade classes for people on unemployment or any sort of assistance program. But because I don't think the rich should disproportionately pay for it, people wouldn't like it. It's just how a lot of people on facepunch are.
Or maybe people don't like your ideas because they're solipsistic and ultimately deffer to the status-quo which is to some people isn't ideal...
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;44894067]I like your train of thought! But seriously, people don't like my ideas because I try to find solutions that don't require a redistribution of wealth. I would fully support free trade classes for people on unemployment or any sort of assistance program. But because I don't think the rich should disproportionately pay for it, people wouldn't like it. It's just how a lot of people on facepunch are.[/QUOTE] Take 10% of 10,000. That's 1000. If you need 11,000 to survive, and you can only make 10,000, and you have to pay 10% of that, you know what? That's a huge fucking deal. Take 10% of 100,000,000. That's 1,000,000. That's a huge stack of cash. That seems like a huge deal. That's more than a few hundred years of the the 10% of 10,000. Yet, that 1,000,000 is infinitely less noticeable in the life of the person who has the 100,000,000. So, yeah, usually when people are against redistribution of wealth, it's a combination of their tired of hearing "BOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS" and tired of hearing bullshit about how having wealth in a society that allows you to exist, allows you to make money, facilitates the market and allows you to live in a way that doesn't suck and to benefit from capatalism makes you not need to pay your fair share.
Never change facepunch.... Today I learned its somehow societies fault people stay in low paying dead end jobs. Seriously though- children can get jobs making minimum wage. So when an adult claims they can't do any better I tend to think- unmotivated, mental issues, drug/ alcohol issues. I can see minimum wage as your first job, or in a bad economy jumping around a few minimum wage jobs. But two years latter still making minimum wage? There's no rational reason for this.
I applied for a job at McDonalds once. They never called back. Now I'm moderating Facepunch.
By the time you've flipped enough hamburgers for someone to hire you to what could be called a better job, your face is already irecognizable from all the oil burns from the chips.
[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;44894308]Never change facepunch.... Today I learned its somehow societies fault people stay in low paying dead end jobs. Seriously though- children can get jobs making minimum wage. So when an adult claims they can't do any better I tend to think- unmotivated, mental issues, drug/ alcohol issues. I can see minimum wage as your first job, or in a bad economy jumping around a few minimum wage jobs. But two years latter still making minimum wage? There's no rational reason for this.[/QUOTE] The reason is because there is no where else to go? Where are they going to work? I work a job that pays $8.50 an hour. I get payed more than miniumum wage, but still barely anything. We have 6 employees. I am the only one there who hasn't been working there for over 4 years. The people that stay in these jobs stay in these jobs because there is nothing better for them. They are all too old to work manual labor anymore, and they are also too old to go back to school. All of the jobs I have worked have been mainly populated with people over 40 who got an injury in the past and now the only job that works for them is entry level. It's not their fault that they got old. These people are all highly motivated, otherwise they wouldn't show up to work. It's not easy to show up to work knowing that when you go home it will be late, and your kids will be in bed. Working for minimum wage is not as easy as you people think it is. Maybe when you are young like I am, and you don't have a family to support, but when you are over 40 working minimum wage is hard. The problem I see with most conservatives is that they only worked minimum wage when they were in there 20's, and so they think that everyone has it like they did.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;44894457]I applied for a job at McDonalds once. They never called back. Now I'm moderating Facepunch.[/QUOTE] Ouch. And I tought I had it bad never getting called for 99% of the jobs I apply to.
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