Christian group castigates Obama for urging tolerance toward gays
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I do not entertain hypotheticals. The world itself is vexing enough.
(Thought that I would throw a True Grit reference in there)
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28833032]Assuming God is bound by a linear time like we are - which, being God, he wouldn't be. When you say God is all-powerful by definition, it doesn't just mean he can fly around and throw lightening bolts at people. By nature, God can solve any problem, regardless of whether we can comprehend the answer.[/QUOTE]
not really the issue, how can a being know your future and have given you a destiny, and for you to still be a free agent? Agent meaning a being or entity with self intention and self direction? It's logically impossible
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28833832]not really the issue, how can a being know your future and have given you a destiny, and for you to still be a free agent? Agent meaning a being or entity with self intention and self direction? It's logically impossible[/QUOTE]
Logic no obstacle for God Mr. Dumbdumbhead, How you no know God can do everything? :bahgawd:
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28833119]Get angry, mate.
You can't even acknowledge the possibility of an all-powerful being?
E: I hate getting conversations like this:
"God can do X"
"No he can't that's impossible"
"Dude by definition God can do anything"
"No he can't because that's impossible"
Real HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG moments.[/QUOTE]
I think the real issue with most people is that there is literally no reason to believe there is a god, and if there is a god, then why would that god be one we have written a book about? Which, we can almost disprove just by countring contradictions and by going back and looking at the history of things.
Unless the whole of reality as science has seen it for thousands of years(before your god was mentioned to us, and before we were supposed to have existed) then a the judeo christian god is not the real god.
Your opinion is rendered moot and null & void when you accuse them of [i]fucking tolerance.[/i]
[QUOTE=bravehat;28833842]Logic no obstacle for God Mr. Dumbdumbhead, How you no know God can do everything? :bahgawd:[/QUOTE]
well god would redefine logic to fit his needs, but i imagine breaking the rules of reality is not a good thing and a benevolent god would not do so, and a malevolent god would have done something negative and as we can not prove his hand in this, what evidence is there of any as of yet? what proof is there to define a need for him?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28795036]Wow, that was all over the place. Pretty much all of what you said was irrelevant, the bandwagon thing was about people being atheists for the sake of being cool or some stupid shit, not... all of that. I don't think anyone here would say that every single atheist is rational.[/QUOTE]
My brother is an atheist because a good amount of kids in his school are. I'm pretty sure that means he's doing it because it's "cool".
I mean unless he was tolerating a group of flaming homosexuals kidnapping and raping a small child, then raping the childs amputated limbs, all while having a big oily gay orgy, then its acceptable.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;28833877]By brother is an atheist because a good amount of kids in his school are. I'm pretty sure that means he's doing it because it's "cool".[/QUOTE]
No, he's either doing it because he genuinely doesn't believe in God, or he's an easily lead idiot, so either way he would be an idiot religious follower or an idiot atheist.
Stupidity spans all fields so don't worry about him, he's just thick as shit.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28833876]well god would redefine logic to fit his needs, but i imagine breaking the rules of reality is not a good thing and a benevolent god would not do so, and a malevolent god would have done something negative and as we can not prove his hand in this, what evidence is there of any as of yet? what proof is there to define a need for him?[/QUOTE]
All I know is that it is unfathomably unlikely that there is any god let alone one that cares about us for whatever obscure reason, and that science has done more for us than religion ever has, and ever will.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28833211]
No it is possible.
Watch this
God isn't real
Look, I just denied his possible presence, but hey it doesn't matter I was going to hell anyway, since you know all those ass backwards laws in the bible have me sorted of bent over anyway so yeah what is there to lose.[/QUOTE]
It was a parody - I didn't mean it was literally impossible to deny God, as if your mouth will seal itself shut before you utter the words.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28833265]Because you can't create energy, everything is composed of energy and if it exists in this universe it requires energy, we know there is a finite amount of energy in the universe because there is a finite amount of atoms.
Meaning if god exists he is composed of energy of some form, so he is bound to the laws of physics in this universe, when he is in this universe, and to have an effect on this universe he needs to be in this universe therefore he needs energy.
Are you beginning to understand how retarded you are being by randomly positing that god can do anything because god is god?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bravehat;28833265]he is composed of energy[/QUOTE]
Why does God have to be composed of energy of some form.
Are you beginning to understand how retarded you are by trying to put limits on something which is limitless by definition?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28833832]not really the issue, how can a being know your future and have given you a destiny, and for you to still be a free agent? Agent meaning a being or entity with self intention and self direction? It's logically impossible[/QUOTE]
But God is limitless. God would not need be bound by our logic - why would he be, when he, BY DEFINITION, is limitless? Of course it's a difficult point to comprehend, but the Lord is hardly a simplistic entity, or even idea.
Are you beginning to see why religious folk are derided and mocked at every opportunity.
Do you believe in leprauchans and unicorns as well as the cloud man? What about Ra and Isis? they're gods too after all, and if one god is real then why not all of them? How bout Tangaroa and Poseidon?
And if he wants to have any effect on our universe he has to be composed of energy, something tangible, it's a basic law of physics. The only things that exist without energy are thoughts and memories, no wait actually that's wrong, because those arise from reactions in chemical pathways and nuerons in the brain.
And god is easy to explain, he's a stop gap solution we had when we could barely perform science, to explain how the world around us worked and came to be.
Go read the Norse creation story, go and read the Hindu creation story, go read the buddhist creation story, they're all about as likely as each other, but the norse one has the added bonus of being completely awesome.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28834088]Are you beginning to see why religious folk are derided and mocked at every opportunity.
Do you believe in leprauchans and unicorns as well as the cloud man? What about Ra and Isis? they're gods too after all, and if one god is real then why not all of them? How bout Tangaroa and Poseidon?
And if he wants to have any effect on our universe he has to be composed of energy, something tangible, it's a basic law of physics. The only things that exist without energy are thoughts and memories, no wait actually that's wrong, because those arise from reactions in chemical pathways and nuerons in the brain.[/QUOTE]
OK you suddenly changed the argument there without warning but w/e. Few points to address, now:
1. No, they're not. You've been spending too much time on the internet, or amongst groups of angsty teenagers. Go take a step into the real world, and stop being so damn immature.
2. Because I know God is real, for I can feel him. True faith isn't just randomly "picking a side". There's always a basis of truth - not a truth I can hold in my hand and wave about, but it is as true a truth as any.
3. But why is God limited by the laws of physics WHEN HE IS BY DEFINITION UNDEFINABLE.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28834152]OK you suddenly changed the argument there without warning but w/e. Few points to address, now:
1. No, they're not. You've been spending too much time on the internet, or amongst groups of angsty teenagers. Go take a step into the real world, and stop being so damn immature.
2. Because I know God is real, for I can feel him. True faith isn't just randomly "picking a side". There's always a basis of truth - not a truth I can hold in my hand and wave about, but it is as true a truth as any.
3. But why is God limited by the laws of physics WHEN HE IS BY DEFINITION UNDEFINABLE.[/QUOTE]
1. I deride them at every opportunity at least, having imaginary friends is something to be mocked over the age of 10.
2. That's lovely I'm sure, that really is, I'm happy for you, I really am. Now if we stop using anecdotal evidence and you actually present a case I'll stop believing that you're part of a mass delusion/cultural meme.
3.Because he created the universe so he has to play by it's rules cause if he changes them we all die, and why was he do that to his itty bitty precious flock.
I'll say it again.
Ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28834152]3. But why is God limited by the laws of physics WHEN HE IS BY DEFINITION UNDEFINABLE.[/QUOTE]
If (G)od is undefinable, then how is (G)od a "he"?
^ Ba-doom
tish.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28834216]1. I deride them at every opportunity at least, having imaginary friends is something to be mocked over the age of 10.
2. That's lovely I'm sure, that really is, I'm happy for you, I really am. Now if we stop using anecdotal evidence and you actually present a case I'll stop believing that you're part of a mass delusion/cultural meme.
3.Because he created the universe so he has to play by it's rules cause if he changes them we all die, and why was he do that to his itty bitty precious flock.
I'll say it again.
Ne supra crepidam sutor iudicaret.[/QUOTE]
1. Then you're a fool, and not worth talking with any longer.
2. Believe what you want.
3. What rules apply to God, and why.
You still don't understand faith, evidently.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28834280]^ Ba-doom
tish.
1. Then you're a closed-minded fool.
2. Believe what you want.
3. What rules apply to God, and why.
You still don't understand faith, evidently.[/QUOTE]
No I understand faith perfectly, idiotically following something with absolutely no evidence at all that it is the smart or right thing to do, and generating false facts to justify it.
Call me closed minded all you want, you seem to have neglected though that I earlier mentioned I accept there may be a god, I just don't think he's real or that if he is that he has nothing to do with us, and that he isn't all powerful.
And I'll tell you what, you have made the positive statement so the onus of proof is on you, prove to me, give me evidence that there is infact an almighty man of the sky watching over us.
I eagerly await your evidence and look forward to the possibility of a lifestyle change.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;28833153]Don't worry, both of you. God still loves you, and he'll always love you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, he loves me so much that he says i'm an abomination for liking guys. He loves me so much he'll condemn me, and millions upon millions of other people, to eternal suffering.
Dr_funk is always right, there is a Limitless God who can do as he pleases.
Somehow I doubt this.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28835416]Somehow I doubt this.[/QUOTE]
Stats show that religious people are happier and have a longer life.
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;28835429]Stats show that religious people are happier and have a longer life.[/QUOTE]
Feel free to link us to these statistics.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28835444]Feel free to link us to these statistics.[/QUOTE]
I knew this would be difficult.
The christian god is more insane than my uncle.
crap almost posted something from an astrology site.
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;28835462]I knew this would be difficult.[/QUOTE]
Of course it would, do you really think just using one sentence would completely decimate our arguments.
And by the way I'm wrning you, I will make this excruciatingly difficult for you.
Actually I just remembered this study which in fact indicates that prayer is bad for you
[URL]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1072638.ece[/URL]
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;28835462]I knew this would be difficult.[/QUOTE]Studies have shown that atheists are more intelligent than religious people and more successful in the workplace.
Oh wait, you want me to prove it?! God, this is SOOOO hard!
If god doesn't want gays, he can come down from heaven and tells us himself. What is stopping him?
I can't find one scrap of evidence to prove there is a God.
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My RE teacher must of been lying about the study that says religious people live longer.
[QUOTE=Kingy_why;28835543]I can't find one scrap of evidence to prove there is a God.[/QUOTE]
DING DING DING!
That's the point, there's absolutely nothing to show that he exists, if he is real and watching us then he has no discernable effect on the world or he just doesn't care.
Either way, why should be praise and love him when he does nothing for us. He's like a self righteous father who demands you respect and love him and do as your told simply because he spawned you.
I love it how Christian Extremists misinterpret the bible :smile:
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