Teen Stabbed, Everyone just watches and walks away
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[QUOTE=Trumple;39930124]i still don't understand this mentality, even if the victim had others helping him I'd still go over and see if there was anything I could do to help[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't. I'd just be getting in the way in that situation. I don't have any medical training to offer. There'd simply be no point in me doing anything at all if there's already several people helping as-is.
Bystander effect needs to be destroyed
By the most extreme measures if required
Aren't the people most likely to do heroic things (and avoid the bystander effect) those individuals that grew up away from big cities and then moved to one?
[QUOTE=IPK;39931312]Bystander effect needs to be destroyed
By the most extreme measures if required[/QUOTE]
Then that means spreading awareness. Which is the best way to fight it.
[QUOTE=IPK;39931312]Bystander effect needs to be destroyed
By the most extreme measures if required[/QUOTE]
It is a social and psychological phenomenon, not some monster that you can attack. I'm sure it can be reduced to a certain extent by making people aware of it, but it is mostly hardwired into us so you can't "destroy" it with any "extreme measures".
What I am not clear about the article is, did they do nothing while he was getting stabbed too? Not helping a victim is quite bad and it is sad to see something like this happening, but I can sort of relate to the bystander effect while he was getting attacked. I mean if you don't see anyone else rushing and if you are the only one going to help there is a good chance you might get attacked and stabbed too. If the whole mob was rushing in, it would've been a different story.
In some countries don't people pose as being injured and in need of help and then kill/mug/rape their victims once they're close and distracted? I'd probably be a bit hesitant to hell as well
I dunno, I have been twice in situations where I've seen people help out when something happens. First it was a car crash, and second was a fight outside a pub where someone got stabbed. Everyone immediately screamed ''call 112''(european 911, or at least finland's, i dunno), and helped him out, although they did leave the stabber run away.
Like, I dunno..maybe Ive just been out during days when I wasnt surrounded by pussies.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;39930191]It's pretty much the exact same thing than what happened in the murder of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese]Kitty Genovese[/url]. It's mostly a byproduct of how the American law system works where good intentions with less than expected results are the same as bad intentions, basically nobody wants to get involved because they'll get sued, or detained by the police and forced to go through the pain of being a witness in a trial. They could even be tried as accomplices if they get involved and the person dies. And even worse, they can be tried for being there and not doing anything according to Good Samaritan laws. So what onlookers do is just turn around, go on their merry way and pretend that nothing happened, let somebody else take care of it.
Problem is, nobody is going to take care of it if EVERYONE thinks that somebody else will take care of it, it's called diffusion of responsibility, and this kind of stuff, the way how altruism has been demonized by the legal system, claims and will continue to claim lives until the culture of the duty to rescue, is rescued.[/QUOTE]
I think you are confusing America with China. Suing someone over helping you would not hold up in court unless you did more harm than good.
Fuck the bystander effect.
At least one person should have called the cops.
i guess a guy with a knife could make them flip shit and be unable to react to the situation, therefore happening the bystander effect
but being incapable to [B]call the police/ambulance[/B]? are they mentally retarded?
America.
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Weclome to 2013, where people rather record these kind of incidents on their mobile phone for quick internet fame rather than call the police & ambulance.
If you see someone take a knife to the lung, you don't just stand there as he wriggles in pain, YOU CALL A BLOODY AMBULANCE AND HELP HIM!
Better be someone who at least tried to help than someone who didn't care or want to be involved.
[QUOTE=Francisco;39931856]i guess a guy with a knife could make them flip shit and be unable to react to the situation, therefore happening the bystander effect
but being incapable to [B]call the police/ambulance[/B]? are they mentally retarded?[/QUOTE]
Thats exactly what the bystander effect is, everyone else assumes someone else called the police and if they call they will just be flooding them with repeat calls and wasting police time.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;39932084]If you see someone take a knife to the lung, you don't just stand there as he wriggles in pain, YOU CALL A BLOODY AMBULANCE AND HELP HIM!
Better be someone who at least tried to help than someone who didn't care or want to be involved.[/QUOTE]
And then jump in there and help stop the bleeding, an ambulance isn't gonna do him a whole lot of good if he bleeds out before they get there.
Besides, a lot of places have laws protecting rescuers from being sued now I believe. They can still sue you but they're gonna loose, but no court is going to rule against you for plugging up a knife wound with your jacket after calling for help. Legal consequences should be the last thing on your mind when you see someone in trouble and can do something to help.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;39930665]Maybe because it's one of the most densely populated places there is; bystander effect becomes significantly more powerful the more people there are.
You might as well believe that drowning is unique to the ocean.[/QUOTE]
There might also be that fear of the victim being bait for someone passing by only to get mugged when trying to help, but that only works in a place without many people.
Wasnt there like a SCP that had some simliar effect? like a knife that made everyone unable to help victim or something
Same stuff happens here in LA all the time, especially the subways. It really is nothing new. Every time I ride the subways it seems like someone is either getting mugged or assaulted in some way. And nobody does anything about it.
[QUOTE=KriegsMar1ne;39942682]Same stuff happens here in LA all the time, especially the subways. It really is nothing new. Every time I ride the subways it seems like someone is either getting mugged or assaulted in some way. And nobody does anything about it.[/QUOTE]
This shouldn't be happening. It's completely wrong to even be casual like this.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39930690]He's wrong, that's not the bystander effect.
The bystander effect is less "Not my problem," and more "This is a big crowd, there's probably a doctor or a nurse or someone much more qualified to help here."
Which is still dumb as fuck but it's more understandable than just being a callous wanker.[/QUOTE]
I read a story about this once. But it happened in a fucking [i][b]Hospital[/b][/i]. Thankfully some nurse realized after everyone just kinda gawked for a minute and started compressions (it was a heart attack). It was a cafeteria full of Doctors and nurses. Shows you how powerful it all was.
We need more vigilantes like fucking Phoenix Jones.
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This shit wouldn't fly with him
A couple of years ago in this town I live in, a guy was beating his gf at a local coffee shop. Another customer there stepped in to stop the beating. The guy's friend was sitting in their car and when he saw the 'fight' break out he jumped in on his friend's behalf. So the good samaritan gets his ass beat by two guys, and the girl friend beater pulls a knife during the scuffle and stabs him too. He lived, although he needed a trip to the hospital.
Moral of the story, and why there's a bystander effect: Don't jump in unless you can handle ANYTHING that comes your way or you don't care if you get hurt or not.
All our media praises the hero and the person who takes action... Why can't we live up to that? If I was involved in a situation like this, I hope I would do something..
Then people would just feel incredibly guilty later if someone they could've saved ended up dying. Apparently this guy I know saved someone's life yesterday by pulling him off the subway tracks and he was angry how no one else did anything. That's pretty worrying.
[QUOTE=Kannata;39931907]America.
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Are you fucking retarded? If this was america there'd be 4 guys with assault rifles shooting up this kid, then shooting everyone in the area. Then probably run off and shoot up marijuana and rob a bank
[QUOTE=don868;39949747]Are you fucking retarded? If this was america there'd be 4 guys with assault rifles shooting up this kid, then shooting everyone in the area. Then probably run off and [B]shoot up marijuana[/B] and rob a bank[/QUOTE]
:v: Shooting up marijuana eh? They'd have to be pretty high to begin with to try that
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