• Man on LSD saves dog from Imaginary Fire
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TBH even if there was no fire he clearly tried to do the right thing at his own bodily risk. slap him on the wrists, offer him drug rehab and let him pay the damages. in his eye he was saving a dogs life.
[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51205796]15k feels like a lot of money to be setting as his bail for what he did[/QUOTE] Having someone break into your house tripping on unknown drugs and trying to steal your dog would be a pretty scary experience, I'd imagine it's to deter that
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51206495]He mixed it with cough medicine and who knows what the active substance in that was and how it interacted with the LSD[/QUOTE] Are there any active substances in cough medicine that people use to get high other than DXM? In the limited personal experience I have with it and through dabbling in research I know to avoid any other active ingredients.
Do people on lsd forget that thay are on lsd? Does it prevent them from second guessing themselves?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51206495]He mixed it with cough medicine and who knows what the active substance in that was and how it interacted with the LSD[/QUOTE] Cough medicine, at least the kind containing DXM is disassociative.
Better to be safe than sorry, whether you're under the influence or not :v:
[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51205796]15k feels like a lot of money to be setting as his bail for what he did[/QUOTE] Regardless of if you think he was a nice guy. He is clearly a threat to public safety by acting in the manner in which he did and you know plus the fact he was tripping balls when he did this shit.
Well I mean, at least in theory bail isn't supposed to be a punishment, it's just supposed to be an encouragement to go to court, so it's supposed to be tailored to the means of the criminal, not the severity of the crime. Could just mean the guy is fairly well off. Not so sure if that's actually always how it ends up in practice, though.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;51206494]It does say he mixed it with cough syrup. If it's the kind of cough syrup I think it is (DXM), the synergetic mix of a psychedelic and a dissociative could plausibly intensify colours and moving patterns to the extent that it could get mistaken for a fire.[/QUOTE] DXM alone, can get you some real trippy illusion, i know i tried it, except i extracted it instead of chugging a bottle then puke.
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51206150]Paying to get out of trouble, perfect system :ok:[/QUOTE] You dont get out of trouble by paying bail, all it means is that you dont have to stay in jail to await trial. In no way are you excused from trial or sentence by paying a bail, its usually so high so that people have a lot on the line if they try to run away because after your case is settled you get your money back except for the bondsman's fee.
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;51206764]Do people on lsd forget that thay are on lsd? Does it prevent them from second guessing themselves?[/QUOTE] No, but lets just say reasonable logical thinking goes out of the window for some. Its like you cant trust your brain fully. [editline]15th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;51206824]Regardless of if you think he was a nice guy. He is clearly a threat to public safety by acting in the manner in which he did and you know plus the fact he was tripping balls when he did this shit.[/QUOTE] How is he a threat to public safety... he saved the dog. If anyone would have opened their door and calmed him down probably he woudnt have been in this situation.
[QUOTE=Megadave;51206407]Pretty sure just LSD doesn't do this, but then again it does change color perception so he just thought he saw imaginary fires.[/QUOTE] Robotripping (cough syrup) is an extreme disassociative and can intensify visuals and hallucinations brought on by LSD. I've seen plenty of people hallucinate, both visually and aurally on LSD, so to him that fire was VERY real. I feel bad for him, he was probably just trying to have a good time and went a little too hard. I believe he should be required to attend drug use correction classes and community service to give back to the neighborhood after what he did, pay for the fence, and let him go. Jail time is totally unnecessary in this case.
Should send him to rehab, but nope, jail him.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51207742]Should send him to rehab, but nope, jail him.[/QUOTE] People who take acid and/or DXM don't need rehab lol, you don't become addicted to LSD, and I highly doubt that at his age this is something he does often. He just had a really gnarly trip and ended up doing something phenomenally stupid. He's not a junkie.
[QUOTE=J Paul;51205845]my bail was $20k and i was caught with two pot plants that were five and six inches high or something like that. this guy like, caused property damage and distress to this family, and his was less. i'd put a 'lol' here but it doesn't quite describe how that makes me feel personally[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J Paul;51205922]it's all good, bills always paid, it was just a motherfucker at the time thank you for the kind thoughts, i don't mean to distract from the topic, i'm all good. i was just saying from my perspective 15k sounds like a small amount for having actually caused a disturbance.[/QUOTE] Why does your thought go to "his bail should have been higher" rather than "mine should have been lower"?
[QUOTE=Aetna;51207783]People who take acid and/or DXM don't need rehab lol, you don't become addicted to LSD, and I highly doubt that at his age this is something he does often. He just had a really gnarly trip and ended up doing something phenomenally stupid. He's not a junkie.[/QUOTE] How do you know he doesnt use it all the time? Rehab would be better than prison anyway.
[QUOTE=Native Hunter;51207138]You dont get out of trouble by paying bail, all it means is that you dont have to stay in jail to await trial. In no way are you excused from trial or sentence by paying a bail, its usually so high so that people have a lot on the line if they try to run away because after your case is settled you get your money back except for the bondsman's fee.[/QUOTE] From what I understand though, the bail is usually not tied strongly enough to the accused's means. Rich people usually have to pay relatively little compared to their resources, and poor people often can't pay their bail at all. I understand the concept behind it but the execution seems to have some flaws.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51207821]How do you know he doesnt use it all the time? Rehab would be better than prison anyway.[/QUOTE] you can't really use these things all the time LSD's effects aren't very potent when you trip constantly. I used to trip constantly. It doesn't stay effective. I highly doubt this guy is a drug "addict". He's probably one of the modern day drug users that's just having a good time. You don't throw drinkers into AA when they just have a wild night, it's when they're always having wild nights they go to AA
[QUOTE=343N;51205801]from his perspective, he did something heroic im pretty sure what he was trying to do is more important than what he actually did, in this case, well, i mean, at least the bail shouldn't be 15 thousand fucking dollars[/QUOTE] What does him meaning well have to do with anything though?
[QUOTE=gokiyono;51207893]What does him meaning well have to do with anything though?[/QUOTE] intent is typically part of a crime if someones intent isn't violent or malicious, why should they get a hefty sentence as if they were? The law can't be black and white because reality isn't black and white.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51207902]intent is typically part of a crime if someones intent isn't violent or malicious, why should they get a hefty sentence as if they were?[/QUOTE] Because saying that someone means well seems like a silly mindset to me when dealing with someone who is hallucinating. [editline]aa[/editline] [QUOTE] Neighbors didn't want to go on camera because they're scared of retribution in the tightly packed development.[/QUOTE] Can someone explain what this means?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;51207821]How do you know he doesnt use it all the time? Rehab would be better than prison anyway.[/QUOTE] ...you don't require rehabilitation for LSD, trust me. LSD is an occasional recreational drug, as is DXM, and neither are truly addictive. You'd understand if you'd ever taken either before, it's rather intense and lasts a long time. Rehab is for people addicted to opiates and amphetamines, not hallucinogenic drugs that are typically used for recreational purposes. What you're suggesting is on par with sending someone to rehab for smoking weed.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51207808]Why does your thought go to "his bail should have been higher" rather than "mine should have been lower"?[/QUOTE] I guess I was in effect saying that mine should be lower. nah, I'm not really advocating the bail system, it's all a scam, nobody should be scammed, neither me nor him. I was just saying that if they think I'm worth 20 then something is absolutely fucked up if homeboy is only worth 15 cuz he was on some other shit. [editline]15th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gokiyono;51207959]Because saying that someone means well seems like a silly mindset to me when dealing with someone who is hallucinating. [editline]aa[/editline] Can someone explain what this means?[/QUOTE] Neighborhood has money so nobody wants to be on camera saying anyone's kid is a loser
Maybe this is like Sausage Party, and the fire existed on some plane that you need LSD in order to see it. Not only is this man a hero, but he is a multidimensional hero.
Saying his punishment should be more lenient because his intent was cute (it being successful sure helps, here) is ridiculous. Now I can understand there's an argument to be made for the whole "The world ain't black and white, so the law shouldn't be either" and I'm totally for that shit, but the dude was tripping on drugs and he stole a dog after forcing himself into a home. What the heck!! Even then, his charges are (surprisingly, imho) rather lenient still: [quote]second degree burglary and third degree criminal mischief[/quote] second degree burglary is punishable by [B]up to[/B] 1 year in county jail and third degree criminal mischief is as follows: [quote] criminal mischief in the third degree is the least serious criminal offense related to property damage. The severity of the crime increases based on the cost incurred. For example, in New York State, property damage exceeding $250 is defined as criminal mischief in the third degree, while damage exceeding $1,500 is defined as a second degree crime.[/quote] top kek
[QUOTE=Giraffen93;51206150]Paying to get out of trouble, perfect system :ok:[/QUOTE] it's not to get out of trouble, it's to not be in jail while waiting to be tried. once you show up to court you get the money back, it's just to guarantee you won't go to mexico or something. [QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51205796]15k feels like a lot of money to be setting as his bail for what he did[/QUOTE] severity of crimes is only one factor in determining bail amount. it's mostly based on your income, and how much money it would take to make you come back for court
at least he had good intentions
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;51206764]Do people on lsd forget that thay are on lsd? Does it prevent them from second guessing themselves?[/QUOTE] Most people don't realize this, but LSD mainly affects your cognitive functions. It's not as if you see pretty colors / shapes but your mind is normal; it distorts your mind and in general it's... very confusing. The hallucinations are simply a part of it.
[QUOTE=Elexar;51208076]Saying his punishment should be more lenient because his intent was cute (it being successful sure helps, here) is ridiculous. Now I can understand there's an argument to be made for the whole "The world ain't black and white, so the law shouldn't be either" and I'm totally for that shit, but the dude was tripping on drugs and he stole a dog after forcing himself into a home. What the heck!! Even then, his charges are (surprisingly, imho) rather lenient still: second degree burglary is punishable by [B]up to[/B] 1 year in county jail and third degree criminal mischief is as follows: top kek[/QUOTE] intent plays a huge factor. its the entire difference between 1st degree murder and involuntary manslaughter
[QUOTE=Toyhobo;51206102]Me personally don't really understand the bail system. I might be biased since in sweden they only hold you if you are deemed at risk to commit more crimes while you're awaiting your trial or that they are concerned you'll escape the country/go in to hiding.[/QUOTE] It's just a monetary incentive to try and keep you from fleeing, I guess. If you're found guilty or not guilty, you get the money back, but if you say, cross the border into Mexico, that money stays with the government.
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