[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45923052]If we legalized prostitution I am sure rape would be a very rare occurence. It's safer for everyone that way. But with how so many religions preaching against prostitution and how society views sex as a great big taboo, that aint gonna happen anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Why not make slavery legal too?
I mean let's face it. If I want it myself, then I should also have the right to sign myself off as a slave to somebody to use me according to the contract.
It may include selling me to another owner, and it may include depriving me of the right to leave and/or to refuse to work, but as long as I agree to it, right?
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45923492]Why not make slavery legal too?
I mean let's face it. If I want it myself, then I should also have the right to sign myself off as a slave to somebody to use me according to the contract.
It may include selling me to another owner, and it may include depriving me of the right to leave and/or to refuse to work, but as long as I agree to it, right?[/QUOTE]
That's called indentured servitude, and that's legal in some countries. Slavery is when you're in that position against your will.
I'm also really not sure how that's supposed to be a counter argument to legalizing prostitution.
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;45923559]I'm also really not sure how that's supposed to be a counter argument to legalizing prostitution.[/QUOTE]
The thing is that it's really ironical, when in Ancient Rome any pleb can be a prostitute that gets fucked by higher powers, and then in modern times it gets illegalized when STILL any politician can hire a prostitute without any condemn, depending on the country they're in.
The only legit concern about prositiution are STD's, everything else is just "god condenmns it/because society thinks its taboo"
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45923492]Why not make slavery legal too?
I mean let's face it. If I want it myself, then I should also have the right to sign myself off as a slave to somebody to use me according to the contract.
It may include selling me to another owner, and it may include depriving me of the right to leave and/or to refuse to work, but as long as I agree to it, right?[/QUOTE]
Post sure lives up to the name there buddy.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45923575]The only legit concern about prositiution are STD's, everything else is just "god condenmns it/because society thinks its taboo"[/QUOTE]
Lately, almost all prostitutes in Spain at least always use a condom. Maybe it should be the case of some other regions.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45923575]The only legit concern about prositiution are STD's, everything else is just "god condenmns it/because society thinks its taboo"[/QUOTE]
This can be easily solved with government regulation forcing contraception and regular STD testing.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45923492]Why not make slavery legal too?
I mean let's face it. If I want it myself, then I should also have the right to sign myself off as a slave to somebody to use me according to the contract.
It may include selling me to another owner, and it may include depriving me of the right to leave and/or to refuse to work, but as long as I agree to it, right?[/QUOTE] Like every post I've seen of yours in the past few days has been terrible
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45923492]Why not make slavery legal too?
I mean let's face it. If I want it myself, then I should also have the right to sign myself off as a slave to somebody to use me according to the contract.
It may include selling me to another owner, and it may include depriving me of the right to leave and/or to refuse to work, but as long as I agree to it, right?[/QUOTE]
So you think that someone become a prostitute means that the person give up all rights? Or do you think that no one can consent to becoming a prostitute? Because people can choose to become a prostitute in countries where it's legal and still have rights.
[QUOTE=Raski;45923176]People can't wank?, does it have to be an other human being?
Pls, it's not just sexual frustration, the other component is pure evil.[/QUOTE]
People who can't get laid by other means for a very long time then, I mean wanking is fine but it doesn't satisfy some people enough, eventually it just messes with their brains, join a bad childhood and a couple of other factors into that and you've got a rapist.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45923492]Why not make slavery legal too?
I mean let's face it. If I want it myself, then I should also have the right to sign myself off as a slave to somebody to use me according to the contract.
It may include selling me to another owner, and it may include depriving me of the right to leave and/or to refuse to work, but as long as I agree to it, right?[/QUOTE]
We already do that, it's called having a job.
[QUOTE=draugur;45923036]Well turns out your guess is wrong. Evidence suggests otherwise.[/QUOTE]
And suddenly correlation means causation
Rape is not just about sexual gratification, but also about [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_sexual_violence]power and anger[/url].
And legal prostitution would have to be regulated to make sure that the people actually want to be there, rather than being forced in or being desperate for money. It would also have to be regulated to make sure that they can actually leave, and can deny clients if they want (the client gets a refund, of course).
That's pretty obvious, though.
I had a police officer throw this gem at me the other day:
'Why do people rape? You'd just have a wank, wash your hands and get on with life wouldn't you?'
Porn is obviously raising the standards of men. Thus, they don't think every woman they see is rape worthy.
I don't see how this is supposed to prove that porn reduces rape. Society has so many variables, you can't just say "A went up, B went down, therefore A causes B to go down". Correlation =/= causation.
Porn up, degradation of women up.
Checkmate, men/pigs.
Comparing prostitution to slavery didn't make a whole lot of sense, so I apologize.
Prostitution is a nasty business anyway imho, and it often involves drugs and sanitary/health issues, inappropriate conduct and even clothing in public, etc., so all in all I'm pretty against that. I guess that's what I was trying to say with the terrible post..
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45924307]Comparing prostitution to slavery didn't make a whole lot of sense, so I apologize.
Prostitution is a nasty business anyway imho, and it often involves drugs and sanitary/health issues, inappropriate conduct and even clothing in public, etc., so all in all I'm pretty against that. I guess that's what I was trying to say with the terrible post..[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling that's because prostitution is something you have to do illicitly. If there was legalization of prostitution it'd be more open with the sex workers likely to receive more support and protection, and there'd even be the chance to implement rules such as testing for STIs or safe sex practices. There'd be no need for hustling on the streets if you can keep prostitution legal but underground/relatively hidden from the public eye, particularly children.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45923052]If we legalized prostitution I am sure rape would be a very rare occurence. It's safer for everyone that way. But with how so many religions preaching against prostitution and how society views sex as a great big taboo, that aint gonna happen anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
I don't really agree with your assumption that legal prostitution would majorly affect rape statistics. It may marginally reduce it but rape is generally not about the sex, it's about power. A rapist will rape someone because it puts them in a position of dominance, they see what they want and they take it. Paying for sex makes the sex worker the dominant one. You're on their turf, playing by their rules etc. You've paid cash for a service. You're the submissive one, really. I do think prostitution should be legal but I'm not so sure how much impact it'd make on rape statistics.
However it could by proxy affect them, since there'd be less girls in dodgy areas of the street late at night where they could be assaulted. (idk if films etc have exaggerated this so maybe im wrong but I dunno how it exactly works. can't say I've gone looking lmao)
[editline]8th September 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=SnakeSolid;45924339]I have a feeling that's because prostitution is something you have to do illicitly. If there was legalization of prostitution it'd be more open with the sex workers likely to receive more support and protection, and there'd even be the chance to implement rules such as testing for STIs or safe sex practices. There'd be no need for hustling on the streets if you can keep prostitution legal but underground/relatively hidden from the public eye, particularly children.[/QUOTE]
Yea if it were legal there'd be lots of rules and regulations as well as security and a safe environment to be in (one would hope. Who knows how much support they'd get even if it was legalised tho), and regular STI tests plus protection would be required I assume. In porn they gotta take STI tests every few weeks or something.
That aside, I find this article to be very poorly written/researched. It just throws this stupid phrase "porn up rape down" at your face and smugly concludes "once one accepts
the observation that there is a precise negative correlation between the two, the rest can safely be left to the imagination" without any consideration of other factors which to me seem more significant, such as societal trends, increased security and improved education on sex and safety.
But just because this says "porn is good" everyone rates winner and are like "come lets affirm one another"
If this were about anything else, every other post would be pointing out that correlation =/= causation
you guys just love porn though
People have pointed out correlation =/=causation even on this page
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;45924364]People have pointed out correlation =/=causation even on this page[/QUOTE]
Yes, one post piled with boxes
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;45924307]Comparing prostitution to slavery didn't make a whole lot of sense, so I apologize.
Prostitution is a nasty business anyway imho, and it often involves drugs and sanitary/health issues, inappropriate conduct and even clothing in public, etc., so all in all I'm pretty against that. I guess that's what I was trying to say with the terrible post..[/QUOTE]
Thing is though, the reason prostitution involves drugs, sanitary issues and what have you is because of the illegality of it. If it became a legal, controlled thing, those problems stop being a part of it.
The issue is demonizing sex workers as second class citizens instead of protecting and assisting them. Because as soon as you do that, people in that industry become exposed to a lot of the other parts of the illegal underworld, including the drug industry. It becomes easier to exploit people if the government don't do anything to protect them, but rather, persecute them.
[QUOTE=Last or First;45924118]And legal prostitution would have to be regulated to make sure that the people actually want to be there, rather than being forced in or being desperate for money. It would also have to be regulated to make sure that they can actually leave, and can deny clients if they want (the client gets a refund, of course).
That's pretty obvious, though.[/QUOTE]
Well that is actually one of the advantages to it being legalised. Once something is legalised, it can be regulated and participants can be properly protected.
>Marijuana use linked to schizophrenia
"Correlation doesn't imply causation guys!"
>Porn up, rape down
"Fuck yes now my addiction is justified"
I am going to be very skeptical of any idea that porn/masturbation is good for you
[QUOTE=sirdownloadsalot;45924374]Thing is though, the reason prostitution involves drugs, sanitary issues and what have you is because of the illegality of it. If it became a legal, controlled thing, those problems stop being a part of it.
The issue is demonizing sex workers as second class citizens instead of protecting and assisting them. Because as soon as you do that, people in that industry become exposed to a lot of the other parts of the illegal underworld, including the drug industry. It becomes easier to exploit people if the government don't do anything to protect them, but rather, persecute them.[/QUOTE]
Prostitution is legal in Germany now for 12 years and women shelters and aid organizations don't report a decline in any of these. Human trafficing from the East to Germany actually got worse, now women are just forced to marry a German pimp.
The legalization itself didn't help because they failed to implement the necessary control organs.
Well, I don't KNOW if porn/masturbation is good, but I have less reason to believe it's bad and I suspect it may have some benefits as some people in this thread have already tried to highlight.
Porn Stars may from now on be proud of their work, they stop rape from happening :v:
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