• Porn Up, Rape Down
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Let's just be happy rape is on the decline, okay? :)
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;45926389]yes i am a feminist who thinks the porn industry is shitty and misogynistic and objectifies and takes advantage of women and should be destroyed but it doesn't make men who watch it rapists (quite the contrary if we're to believe what this article puts forward) And his joke was in poor taste is my point. He's taking the piss out of feminism and insulting feminists whether he was joking or not. Like, a racist joke is still racism. Similar deal.[/QUOTE] Now you're being sexist. You're leaving out gay porn, trannies, weird 3D rule 34 shit, and hentai. Might as well never watch action movies since they objectify men as big blocks of muscle and gunpowder [b]YOU'RE JUST AS BAD, BROCHACHO[/b]
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45926724]Let's just be happy rape is on the decline, okay? :)[/QUOTE] are you saying ignore what's going on now cos at least it's not as bad as before because that is a fucking terrible mindset
[QUOTE=Pr0fane;45926451]Rape down, porn up, thats the way I like to fuck! [editline]8th September 2014[/editline] That´s seriously still horrible to say. Without porn you´d rape?[/QUOTE] No, I think he's saying he doesn't need a fleshlight or pay a prostitute
[QUOTE=RobbL;45926679]Informative tumblr post incoming: [url]http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based[/url] But alas, being tumblr, it ends on a delightful sentiment: "if these links aka fucking cold hard proof dont make you stop watching it, i hope you drop dead" I'd ignore that bit.[/QUOTE] jesus christ those testimonies are beyond words. yeah the porn industry is atrocious i don't think anyone could say otherwise after reading all that
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[QUOTE=zombays;45926776]The music industry is atrocious as well. Original artists get more screwed over than a porn actress by record labels. Video game industry is also atrocious unless you're in Valve. There is little to no job security and you have to do unpaid overtime. Basically, the porn industry doesn't look as bad.[/QUOTE] are people in the music industry getting anally raped now? aw jeez my manager at EA's making me stay late to work on this sims 4 dlc this is EXACTLY like three men prolapsing me while being choked [editline]8th September[/editline] you know what this lack of job security reminds me of? being held down and having my genitals ripped open by an implausibly huge phallus, and then not getting paid because i cried. this is EXACTLY like being held down and having my genitals ripped open by an implausibly huge phallus. EXACTLY.
[QUOTE=RobbL;45926679]Informative tumblr post incoming: [url]http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based[/url] But alas, being tumblr, it ends on a delightful sentiment: "if these links aka fucking cold hard proof dont make you stop watching it, i hope you drop dead" I'd ignore that bit.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]2010 study on popular porn films: 88% of scenes contained physical aggression, including spanking, gagging, and slapping. Women were overwhelmingly the targets of aggressive acts, and men the perpetrators. Following instances of aggression towards women, in 95% of cases the women expressed pleasure or neutrality. [/QUOTE] Worst porn, people at 2010 had awful taste.
[QUOTE]2010 study on popular porn films: 88% of scenes contained physical aggression, including spanking, gagging, and slapping. Women were overwhelmingly the targets of aggressive acts, and men the perpetrators. Following instances of aggression towards women, in 95% of cases the women expressed pleasure or neutrality.[/QUOTE] Feminists need to learn the difference between fantasy and reality. [QUOTE=RobbL;45926679]Informative tumblr post incoming: [url]http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based[/url][/QUOTE] Alot of this could be fixed through proper sexual education, which the Southern US through its abstinence only (Keep kids retarded about sex) policy prevents. The porn [B]industry[/B] is terrible but that doesn't mean porn is evil. Hell, you [U]do not[/U] need to support the porn industry to even enjoy it at this point.
[QUOTE=zombays;45926739]Now you're being sexist. You're leaving out gay porn, trannies, weird 3D rule 34 shit, and hentai. Might as well never watch action movies since they objectify men as big blocks of muscle and gunpowder[/QUOTE] Uhh I'm not sure I follow or even if you understood me or know what you're talking about but, In this society men and women are not on equal footing and it's because of men. Men want the power. They have it, essentially. This is perpetuated into the porn industry which is ruled by men who take advantage of women for their own gain and treat them like shit. Refer to RobbL's post a couple up if you need proof of that. I'm not really sure what about my post is sexist? Because I'm talking about women specifically being abused? That's because it mostly is. I also said in my next post I'm not really aware of the state of affairs in the gay industry although from what little I know it appears to be similar. Probably the same for trans* porn. (tranny is a slur dont use it) Remember that different people deal with the different niches too. rule34 shit that is commissioned on DeviantArt is not a mainstream industry that directly hurts anyone. It's a bunch of people online paying each other to draw things. Hentai is an industry yes but it's virtual girls. Again it doesn't put women in a position where they are being raped on camera for money (cos that is a lot of mainstream porn whether you realise it or not. Again, refer to RobbL's post). That's the representation of women, which is, yes, a very big issue of course. I didn't mention them cos I was thinking of the mainstream "real life" industry because it deals with real women in real situations of abuse and exploitation. Drawn porn isn't the same in that it also doesn't directly abuse women. It does however perpetuate the objectification, which is where I do agree with you. You find that in all porn. That women are weak and need saving and will reward you with sex, you can take it if you really want it etc. (but I really do not see how any of my post was sexist please explain that) also dont get me started on that shit with men lol it's so bullshit. Men may be sexualised and objectified in movies and games too but the difference is the men get to save the world and the women get to be the trophy for the man's hard work. NOT the same thing.
Personally I can't watch regular pornographs anymore because there's only so many combinations and positions you can go through before it gets stale, and not to mention everything has to stay grounded in reality. Except when they try to leave reality it usually ends up very bad thanks to either terrible directing or special effects.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;45926857]Uhh I'm not sure I follow or even if you understood me or know what you're talking about but, In this society men and women are not on equal footing and it's because of men. Men want the power. They have it, essentially. This is perpetuated into the porn industry which is ruled by men who take advantage of women for their own gain and treat them like shit. Refer to RobbL's post a couple up if you need proof of that. I'm not really sure what about my post is sexist? Because I'm talking about women specifically being abused? That's because it mostly is. I also said in my next post I'm not really aware of the state of affairs in the gay industry although from what little I know it appears to be similar. Probably the same for trans* porn. (tranny is a slur dont use it) Remember that different people deal with the different niches too. rule34 shit that is commissioned on DeviantArt is not a mainstream industry that directly hurts anyone. It's a bunch of people online paying each other to draw things. Hentai is an industry yes but it's virtual girls. Again it doesn't put women in a position where they are being raped on camera for money (cos that is a lot of mainstream porn whether you realise it or not. Again, refer to RobbL's post). That's the representation of women, which is, yes, a very big issue of course. I didn't mention them cos I was thinking of the mainstream "real life" industry because it deals with real women in real situations of abuse and exploitation. Drawn porn isn't the same in that it also doesn't directly abuse women. It does however perpetuate the objectification, which is where I do agree with you. You find that in all porn. That women are weak and need saving and will reward you with sex, you can take it if you really want it etc. (but I really do not see how any of my post was sexist please explain that) also dont get me started on that shit with men lol it's so bullshit. Men may be sexualised and objectified in movies and games too but the difference is the men get to save the world and the women get to be the trophy for the man's hard work. NOT the same thing.[/QUOTE] Oh look, it's the same speech full of fallacies that has been rolling around for years now. And he isn't even aware of how sexist he is. You know, if could see things from our perspective, you'd understand why your "feminism" is full of shit.
[quote]The incidence of rape in the United States has declined 85% in the past 25 years[/quote] Holy shit.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;45926986]Oh look, it's the same speech full of fallacies that has been rolling around for years now. And he isn't even aware of how sexist he is. You know, if could see things from our perspective, you'd understand why your "feminism" is full of shit.[/QUOTE] lol what is this post supposed to mean.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;45926986]Oh look, it's the same speech full of fallacies that has been rolling around for years now. And he isn't even aware of how sexist he is. You know, if could see things from our perspective, you'd understand why your "feminism" is full of shit.[/QUOTE] You're doing a great job making your side of the argument look bad. I really don't agree with some of what he's saying, but he does bring up several valid points and dismissing them because of "muh fallacies!" is a dick thing to do. Also, no need to be condescending as fuck.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;45926986]Oh look, it's the same speech full of fallacies that has been rolling around for years now. And he isn't even aware of how sexist he is. You know, if could see things from our perspective, you'd understand why your "feminism" is full of shit.[/QUOTE] [B]u better not be sayin rape is a fallacy im using to get across my "feminist agenda" goddamn[/B] [editline]8th September 2014[/editline] Also I don't know what your perspective is since the only thing you've said so far is that feminism is bullshit so not only can I not see things from your side because you failed to post anything close to a coherent and relevant point, I really don't want to know what you have to say because it'll probably be MRA/anti-feminist crap [editline]8th September 2014[/editline] bet u dont even know what feminism actually is you just think it's what 4Chan and Reddit make it look like via only showing extremists and a fuckload of straw-man arguments
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[QUOTE=mikeyt493;45927173][B]u better not be sayin rape is a fallacy im using to get across my "feminist agenda" goddamn[/B][/QUOTE] Christ, if you dont have anything to post, don't post at all. This is just disgusting. Well, the main problem with your argument is that you're making a lot of generalizations and assumptions out of the air with little, if any at all, evidence to support your huge claims. You also fail to consider other cases and other arguments; in your last reply, you disregarded (to drawn porn) or dodged (to gay and transsexual porn) entirely. There are many women forced into the sex industry. It's disgusting, and no one should be forced to sign away their bodies like that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like your post says that this is pretty much always the case. I would bet there are many female porn stars who do porn because they like it. I would also bet that there are female prostitutes who don't operate under a pimp who happily run their legitimate business. Hell, if you want, I can even search for names if you want. Hell, I don't watch porn at all, but your post seems to represent a lot of pulled-somewhat-out-of-the-air, biased misrepresentations of facts. The porn [I]industry[/I] is absolutely corrupt as hell. That doesn't demonize all porn, though. I hope that if you reply to this you take the time to say something well-thought instead of ignoring and misrepresenting my points like you keep doing when other people discuss your points. Or, if you're trolling, get the fuck out of here. No one wants that.
[QUOTE=mikeyt493;45927173][B]u better not be sayin rape is a fallacy im using to get across my "feminist agenda" goddamn[/B] [editline]8th September 2014[/editline] Also I don't know what your perspective is since the only thing you've said so far is that feminism is bullshit so not only can I not see things from your side because you failed to post anything close to a coherent and relevant point, I really don't want to know what you have to say because it'll probably be MRA/anti-feminist crap [editline]8th September 2014[/editline] bet u dont even know what feminism actually is you just think it's what 4Chan and Reddit make it look like via only showing extremists and a fuckload of straw-man arguments[/QUOTE] Ahem so what 'is' feminism then? I want your own definition. Since you claim to be [I]part of clan.[/I]
[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;45927238]Okay 1) Here we go again! The most used feminist phrase "taking advantage". So, what does this make you? Does this make you like the rest that think all men are the spawn of Satan, evil rapists and take advantage over women, power thirsty pricks? And 2) Now... Number two is my favourite. Many of you may think I'm raging. Relax man. For this will seal the shit coffin of truth. Mmhm! You're comparing racism to feminism! I'm not sure if you understand, but there's a big fucking difference. You're comparing something that happened way, way long ago in the past. That is immoral, yes. Can you take a guess? Anyway, this is funny because as I recall feminism never really used to be a "thing" up until recently. I may be wrong, correct me on this. However... What you say is still hypocritical, if fact, most of them are like that. I don't know the percentage. But I always recall seeing something similar. Along the lines of "all men take advantage of women". Come on, there should be at least [B]one[/B] person who agrees, right?[/QUOTE] boi u are a stain in the MGS fanbase you are not allowed the FoxHound logo as yr avatar please hand it in to your nearest Big Boss for reassignment to the ignorant nerd unit (thats the one that gets killed by the ninja before Otacon) but hey if u wanna go at my argument down ill go at yours too lol 1) Women are taken advantage of so I hate all men? Fuck no. I say that because they are. Women are exploited by being promised stardom and fame and glory but instead they get raped in the ass on their first scene and chucked on the couch so that the camera doesn't see their tears. They get led in getting treated nice and like a princess getting told they'll only have to do what they feel comfortable with. Their first scene they get two massive dicks in their face and gotta do anal. The male porn stars are often misogynists and have a genuine dislike for women (ever noticed there's a whole load of hate-fucking and rough sex everywhere?). Read [URL="http://luaren.tumblr.com/post/79627230804/yeah-because-you-can-totally-tell-how-smart-i-am-based"]this [/URL]that RobbL was kind enough to bring up. Disturbing stuff. Sure, some might just be there cos they wanna bang, and the same for women. But my point isn't that there are people who enjoy it- it's that there's so many that [I]don't.[/I] Also, I don't think all men are rapists. I never once said that, I don't think it and I think it's stupid to think. You're just twisting my words so you can disregard me as "some SJW feminists man-hater". 2) I am aware of the difference between feminism and racism. I never said they were synonymous. First off, you're saying racism happened way back in the past? Racism is still happening, dumbass. Every day. Everywhere. Black kids still gettin shot in the street for bein black then the cops walking free, mexican dudes still not even getting interviews cos they're called José, asian women still being fetishised to hell, racial stereotypes still perpetuated through all forms of media, people still thinking all middle-eastern people are terrorists. Racism still exists. It's not a thing of the past. You must be blind to think that. Second, I didn't say they were the same. I was making the point that his joke about feminism is still taking the piss out of feminists just as a racist joke is still against whichever race is targeted. It was a poor comparison in hind-sight, in that not all women are feminists and not all feminists are female, but my point was that you can't degrade someone then pass it off as a joke like it'll make the fact that you insulted them go away. You still insulted them. Thiiirdly, what does feminism being a relatively new thing have to do with anything? You're right it's a relatively new movement, but feminism has actually still been around since the 1800's. You were probably thinking it came around in like 2009 though right? Or whatever year tumblr began. I don't see what you're trying to say tho. Just cos something's new doesn't mean it's bad and just cos it's old doesn't mean it's good. What kinda backwards ideology is that. Your english kinda fucked right up towards the end there so I don't even know how to reply cos I can't really form a coherent point out of it lmao. A statistic on how many feminists are hypocrites? Interesting :v:
[QUOTE=Magic Scrumpy;45927072]You're doing a great job making your side of the argument look bad. I really don't agree with some of what he's saying, but he does bring up several valid points and dismissing them because of "muh fallacies!" is a dick thing to do. Also, no need to be condescending as fuck.[/QUOTE] It's always the same speech. Even when he brings valid points, they're backed by the same worn and wrong arguments. I'm just glad he hasn't brough up patriarchy...yet.
[QUOTE=Magic Scrumpy;45927295]Christ, if you dont have anything to post, don't post at all. This is just disgusting. Well, the main problem with your argument is that you're making a lot of generalizations and assumptions out of the air with little, if any at all, evidence to support your huge claims. You also fail to consider other cases and other arguments; in your last reply, you disregarded (to drawn porn) or dodged (to gay and transsexual porn) entirely. There are many women forced into the sex industry. It's disgusting, and no one should be forced to sign away their bodies like that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like your post says that this is pretty much always the case. I would bet there are many female porn stars who do porn because they like it. I would also bet that there are female prostitutes who don't operate under a pimp who happily run their legitimate business. Hell, if you want, I can even search for names if you want. Hell, I don't watch porn at all, but your post seems to represent a lot of pulled-somewhat-out-of-the-air, biased misrepresentations of facts. The porn [I]industry[/I] is absolutely corrupt as hell. That doesn't demonize all porn, though. I hope that if you reply to this you take the time to say something well-thought instead of ignoring and misrepresenting my points like you keep doing when other people discuss your points. Or, if you're trolling, get the fuck out of here. No one wants that.[/QUOTE] I just responded like that cos his post was not constructive at all and just slating me and coming off as a dumbass MRA. He asked me to look at things from his perspective without actually saying anything about his side. And, yes you are making fair points. Nothing I disagree with at all. I was generalising, I won't deny, but my point is, like I just said, there may be people who are in the porn industry and enjoy it. Same goes for illegal prostitutes. But there are so many that do not enjoy it and the people in charge get away with it. And [I]that[/I] is the issue and that is why I think the porn industry [I]as is right now[/i] should not exist and needs to be rebuilt (also why I think prostitution should be legal- it will allow for regulation, rules, dedicated spaces etc). I'm not against porn and the concept of a porn industry. I just think that it should not be a place where people feel threatened and exploited by their bosses and co-stars because if they say no to something they didn't even sign up for they won't get paid. They're blackmailed into sex because the companies know that if they don't do it they don't get money and if they don't get money they don't pay their rent, get food etc. I didn't mean to come off like literally all women in the industry are forced there and can't leave or anything. Not at all. I've also said previously already that I don't demonise or hate porn or pornstars. It's the industry behind it. Not all workplaces, and not everyone will be in that awful situation or force that awful situation on others. But it happens, and that is where I'm coming from. It's a bit of a fallacy to say that there are people that enjoy it, to me at least, because (I know I'm repeating myself) of the large number that don't, which shows that there are clearly major problems in how the porn industry functions. But I'm interested to know what you think about drawn porn then? I mean to reiterate, my point was it it's not an industry where people being forced to have sex for cash. It's just dudes drawing pictures and posting them online which people pay for. I'm aware I was quick to chuck it to the side which was quite dismissive as there are issues with drawn porn as well. I do think there's a big issue with representation there, as there is with live action porn, and it's problematic. I don't really know what else to say about drawn porn specifically though as things like representation are carried across all types. And, I said that porn objectifies and hurts women. I see how that's leaving out men, which I do see was my fault. There is a clear argument that the dominatrix role of many of the men is an unhealthy thing for people to see as this means the videos are both normalising submissive females and dominant males which, essentially, encourages rape. I'm not talking "stalk her in the street and pin her down" rape, I'm talking "she's saying no but you're like no its alright baby" rape. That stuff's still rape but people don't think of it that way because of things like porn which make you think it's alright. I don't really know how to end the post properly so I'll just clarify that I am not trolling lol
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... So anyone notice how even if we attribute 100% of the decline in rape to the rise of porn, the only people who we would know would personally benefit from watching more porn are people who would commit rape without porn? Lots of rapists in this thread
B-BUT RAPE IS NOT ABOUT SEX IT'S ABOUT POWER
Has anyone in here actually read the PDF? The whole thing reads like parody. It even lists a bunch of [i]actual[/i] explanations, but just dismisses them in favour of a completely unsubstantiated link between rape and porn. I could probably come up with hundreds of correlations between the reduction in the rate of rape and random things. I think this actually [i]is[/i] parody.
Still, the thing about "more porn = less rape" doesn't make sense to me. The mere act of being able to masturbate from porn doesn't save anyone from being a rapist. There's other factors (child trauma, mental sickness, evil, sexual depravation...) that this thing did miss. If porn did avoid generating rapists around the globe, there would be no rapists since its birth on the 19th-20th century.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;45929020]... So anyone notice how even if we attribute 100% of the decline in rape to the rise of porn, the only people who we would know would personally benefit from watching more porn are people who would commit rape without porn? Lots of rapists in this thread[/QUOTE] Correlation does not imply causation, etc
[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;45930448]Still, the thing about "more porn = less rape" doesn't make sense to me. The mere act of being able to masturbate from porn doesn't save anyone from being a rapist. There's other factors (child trauma, mental sickness, evil, sexual depravation...) that this thing did miss. If porn did avoid generating rapists around the globe, there would be no rapists since its birth on the 19th-20th century.[/QUOTE] Holy shit I'm skeptical myself but this post is full of fallacies Porn can exist as a factor to reduce rape even if there are other factors that endorse rape. And nothing has to completely eliminate rape to be a factor which reduces its occurrence. (Plus keep in mind porn simply wasn't a very big thing until the 70s) [editline]9th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;45930681][QUOTE=Elecbullet;45929020]... So anyone notice how even if we attribute 100% of the decline in rape to the rise of porn, the only people who we would know would personally benefit from watching more porn are people who would commit rape without porn? Lots of rapists in this thread[/QUOTE] Correlation does not imply causation, etc[/QUOTE] see: [QUOTE=Elecbullet;45924412]>Marijuana use linked to schizophrenia "Correlation doesn't imply causation guys!" >Porn up, rape down "Fuck yes now my addiction is justified" I am going to be very skeptical of any idea that porn/masturbation is good for you[/QUOTE] I'm just working off of the blatantly false assumption, the assumption literally nobody will tell you is true, which is that 100% of the rape decline is due to porn. Just for the purpose of argument.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;45923033]It seems like porn would make people even more horny, just my guess. Jesus christ why all the boxes, i just said it was my guess, obviously i have no concrete proof.[/QUOTE] Yeah, relieving your sexual arousal makes you hornier just like eating and drinking makes you even more hungry and thirsty.
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