Who could argue with a group called "Mothers Against Drunk Driving".
[QUOTE=Lankist;16685432]If you don't have public support then honestly nobody gives a fuck about your proposition.[/QUOTE]
Then how do things like the DMCA get passed? I can't see the public wanting them. Look at the responses for the [url=http://copyright.econsultation.ca/]Canadian Copyright Consultation[/url]. Nobody wants DMCA-style legislature passed up here. (In fact, most want file sharing legalized fully) The American public can't be much different than the Canadian public on these issues.
The DMCA was passed because there was an immediately rising need to resolve new issues that came with internet distribution systems like Napster.
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We didn't have digital copyright laws because digital information had not been around for very long.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16685576]The DMCA was passed because there was an immediately rising need to resolve new issues that came with internet distribution systems like Napster.
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We didn't have digital copyright laws because digital information had not been around for very long.[/QUOTE]
An "immediate need", as decided by who? The public? Doubtful. What happened to governments doing what their people want?
As decided by the law makers.
The people who are elected and whose job is to adapt the law in accordance to new issues.
question:
if we're gonna legalize warez or pirating, why the fuck should anyone buy games for 50 bucks? 50 bucks is alot by my standards, but I have to buy for it to play it cause of legal issues. But if we legalize pirating, what's the point of even buying it? Fuck that, we can just go online and download it!
but of course, videogame companies whose budget goes to thousands/millions when developing games surely wouldn't suffer from that.
[QUOTE=Lankist;16686022]
The people who are elected and whose job is to adapt the law in accordance to new issues.[/QUOTE]
Too bad they don't go away when they go against the will of the public.
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[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16686065]
if we're gonna legalize warez or pirating, why the fuck should anyone buy games for 50 bucks? 50 bucks is alot by my standards, but I have to buy for it to play it cause of legal issues. But if we legalize pirating, what's the point of even buying it? Fuck that, we can just go online and download it!
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Online activation means you'll only have half a game.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16686073]
Online activation means you'll only have half a game.[/QUOTE]
whats the point of this quote? If you jobless people stopped pirating games, we wouldn't even have this online activation, probably only cd-keys.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16686165]whats the point of this quote? If you jobless people stopped pirating games, we wouldn't even have this online activation, probably only cd-keys.[/QUOTE]
Online activation will always exist for online play so they can ban you if you're a cheater.
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And I've never pirated a game that I didn't later buy, actually.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16686224]Online activation will always exist for online play so they can ban you if you're a cheater.
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And I've never pirated a game that I didn't later buy, actually.[/QUOTE]
then don't cheat? And majority of online games nowadays have both non-secure/secure servers. If your caught being a cheater, you just play on non-secure servers.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16686291]then don't cheat? And majority of online games nowadays have both non-secure/secure servers. If your caught being a cheater, you just play on non-secure servers.[/QUOTE]
True. But even if piracy went away, online activation wouldn't also go away. Companies like to keep track of who is playing their games for advertising purposes and whatnot.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16686345]True. But even if piracy went away, online activation wouldn't also go away. Companies like to keep track of who is playing their games for advertising purposes and whatnot.[/QUOTE]
the SecuBullshitRom would go away, because it wouldn't even have existed if you Pirate Crusaders stopped pirating and have the EA nazi financial staff going ' FUCK WE LOSING CASH'.
Not to mention, do you not think if we legalized pirating, advertising would actually go up? Game developers would put [b]fuck-tons[/b] of advertisements into every game they sell, just to make a profit.
Look at Area-51, a free game. You couldn't play the game without having an US Airforce advertisement at every screen and loading. That's the future we if we legalized pirating.
Your argument falls apart when I tell you that downloading for personal use is already legal in Canada, and many other countries as well.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16686483]Your argument falls apart when I tell you that downloading for personal use is already legal in Canada, and many other countries as well.[/QUOTE]
first of all, you got me interested, proof please.
second, your argument falls apart when common sense applies that videogame companies would not make enough profit and develop more games if we legalize pirating.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16686536]first of all, you got me interested, proof please.
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It's a debated issue as laws are fuzzy, but [url=http://grep.law.harvard.edu/articles/03/08/22/1655233.shtml]this should cover it[/url].
[quote]The key words here are "for the private use of the person who makes the copy". This means that you may make a copy of any sound recording and use it yourself. You may copy a friend's cd, or you may download music, and listen to it yourself. All of these activities are exempted from infringement.[/quote]
Even if it is deemed illegal, the RCMP refuse to enforce it. [url=http://www.ledevoir.com/2007/11/08/163562.html]Source[/url]. That link is French, sorry.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16686700]It's a debated issue as laws are fuzzy, but [url=http://grep.law.harvard.edu/articles/03/08/22/1655233.shtml]this should cover it[/url].
Even if it is deemed illegal, the RCMP refuse to enforce it. [url=http://www.ledevoir.com/2007/11/08/163562.html]Source[/url]. That link is French, sorry.[/QUOTE]
nononono.
thats music my good friend.
Downloading music and pirating games/movies are completely different.
Anybody can become successful musicians nowadays, I mean look at Soulja Boy. Maybe I'm ignorant, but the budget for making music is only a fraction of developing games and movies. And alot easier too.
For music, you just write down the lyrics, go to a studio you made or rented, sing, and have some music companies publish it in exchange for profit cut. Some bands are known for making music ontop of their heads and very easily.
For videogames and movies, it's entirely different. You literally have to hire hundreds of people for this shit and spend so much money on it. I mean shit, they spent fucking $1 Million to produce GTA IV! And typical movies nowadays cost like 30+ Million to produce it. Why do you think so many idiots come to this forum and goes 'HEY, IM MAKING VIDEOGAME, HELP ME OUT. I GIVE NO PAYMENT BUT IM IDEA GUY!' and leave with noting?
They spend so much money as an investment and trust the public to buy their games and cover the budget.
But if we legalize pirating, how are they expected to?
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16686829]nononono.
thats music my good friend.
Downloading music and pirating games/movies are completely different.
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I can't find any reference in the Copyright Act of Canada to the copying of games. Just audio recordings and photographs. EDIT: And literary works, of course.
EDIT again: Found an amendment for computer software, seems to be the same as audio recordings. I'll keep digging.
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Right, I can't make sense of legalspeak. [url=http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-42/]Here's our copyright act[/url] if anyone wants to comb through it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16686908]I can't find any reference in the Copyright Act of Canada to the copying of games. Just audio recordings and photographs. EDIT: And literary works, of course.
EDIT again: Found an amendment for computer software, seems to be the same as audio recordings. I'll keep digging.
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Right, I can't make sense of legalspeak. [url=http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-42/]Here's our copyright act[/url] if anyone wants to comb through it.[/QUOTE]
ill dig through this, but if you can't make sense of legal speak, then how do you know it's same as audio recording?
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[url]http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cs/C-42/bo-ga:l_III/20090812/en#anchorbo-ga:l_III[/url]
[quote]Infringement generally
27. (1) It is an infringement of copyright for any person to do, without the consent of the owner of the copyright, anything that by this Act only the owner of the copyright has the right to do.
Secondary infringement
(2) It is an infringement of copyright for any person to
(a) sell or rent out,
[b](b) distribute to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright,
(c) by way of trade distribute, expose or offer for sale or rental, or exhibit in public,[/b]
(d) possess for the purpose of doing anything referred to in paragraphs (a) to (c), or
(e) import into Canada for the purpose of doing anything referred to in paragraphs (a) to (c),[/quote]
Yeah, that's why I assumed it was the same as audio recordings. "Infringement" doesn't seem to apply to private use. "distribute to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright" is one of those stupid fuzzy legal terms that has no real meaning, but "distribute" obviously only applies to uploaders.
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Lankist, can you translate that paragraph into normal English? You're a lawyer, right?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16687087]Yeah, that's why I assumed it was the same as audio recordings. "Infringement" doesn't seem to apply to private use. "distribute to such an extent as to affect prejudicially the owner of the copyright" is one of those stupid fuzzy legal terms that has no real meaning, but "distribute" obviously only applies to uploaders.
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Lankist, can you translate that paragraph into normal English? You're a lawyer, right?[/QUOTE]
internet dictionary says prejudicially= damage or harm.
It's an infringement if distributing to an extent if might cause damage/harm to the owner.
hence, i think i can safely say illegal.
I know what prejudically means, but I don't know how much you have to hurt the copyright owner to do it "prejudically".
And right, illegal to distribute. Distributing doesn't include downloading, only uploading. So if I get something off a torrent and don't allow it to fully upload, I'm clear.
What needs to happen is not forcing people to not pirate, but instead make the pirates want to buy it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16687189]I know what prejudically means, but I don't know how much you have to hurt the copyright owner to do it "prejudically".
And right, illegal to distribute. Distributing doesn't include downloading, only uploading. So if I get something off a torrent and don't allow it to fully upload, I'm clear.[/QUOTE]
any good lawyer, especially since your a multi-millionaire company, could argue any teensy bit of profit loss is a prejudicial.
oh, and, if distributing is a illegal, and he gets arrested: how is anyone gonna get torrent of a warez? Not to mention, when you use torrenting software, don't you also help seed(upload) the download? Hence your part of the distributer.
@El_Stumpo: How? Rate me dumb or flame me with all your might, most piraters are kiddies whoms parents deny giving them money for buying videogames.
if you had a job, you'll find that 50 bucks is only a fraction of your paycheck.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16687301]
oh, and, if distributing is a illegal, and he gets arrested: how is anyone gonna get torrent of a warez? Not to mention, when you use torrenting software, don't you also help seed(upload) the download? Hence your part of the distributer.[/quote]
You can find downloads of music and whatnot with some clever googling. No uploading involved. You can also disable uploading in your torrent client.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16687301]if you had a job, you'll find that 50 bucks is only a fraction of your paycheck.[/QUOTE]
That's a tenth of your rent in a cheap apartment, not to mention utilities, food, gas, etc. It's a lot of money.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16687581]
That's a tenth of your rent in a cheap apartment, not to mention utilities, food, gas, etc. It's a lot of money.[/QUOTE]
this is why you graduate from highschool and go to college.
not to mention, as I said, most of the piraters are kiddies. If mommy and daddy could pay rent, they could get a job as a damn fucking janitor. Or even do some manual labor, like mowing lawns, which no kids ever fucking do nowadays. If a job as a custodian could pay a cheap apartment's rent, they can pay a 50 dollar game.
edit: also, if your having trouble paying rent in a lousy cheap apartment, that doesn't mean you should go out and buy games. that means you should get your ass in college and get a better job.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;16687639]this is why you graduate from highschool and go to college.
edit: also, if your having trouble paying rent in a lousy cheap apartment, that doesn't mean you should go out and buy games. that means you should get your ass in college and get a better job.[/QUOTE]
You don't need a college or university degree to make good money. Trade schools, my friend. Especially with the shithole economy, the world needs people to [i]work[/i].
[QUOTE=Zeke129;16688642]You don't need a college or university degree to make good money. Trade schools, my friend. Especially with the shithole economy, the world needs people to [i]work[/i].[/QUOTE]
And because of that exact economy problem, people are [i] getting fired, left and right. [/i]. If your going to hire someone, might as well that person knows what the fuck he's doing and knowledged in that field.
Who would you prefer to hire?
InsertNameHere Highschool graduate that shows no indication he's good at that field?
Or a InsertNameHere Highschool Graduate who went to a good college, with degrees labelling him that he is proficient in that field?
Kid, did you even graduate from Highschool yet?
wow is it just me or are there a lot of pirate partys popping up all over europe?
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;16719643]wow is it just me or are there a lot of pirate partys popping up all over europe?[/QUOTE]
Yup.
Yar har diddledee
Do what you want cus a pirate is free!
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