Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘shithole’ countries in Oval Office meeting
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THE JEB HAS SPOKEN
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[editline]11th January 2018[/editline]
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I threw up in my mouth a little fuck these people[/QUOTE]
I bet it'd also really resonate with his base to just call them the Untermensch countries.
[QUOTE=Xubs;53045315]its because he's racist. There really, really isnt anything simpler to it. Norwegians are white, Haitians are not. Hence, he prefers the idea of Norwegians as immigrants
[editline]11th January 2018[/editline]
Donald Trump [I]is[/I] a white supremacist. Whole-bread, through and through, die-hard, true-believing white supremacist. If he could have genocide he'd do it. Many of his supporters are the exact same way, don't be fooled.[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna have to disagree. I don't think it's a "brown people" problem, but more of a "poor unskilled people" problem for him, which are mostly the people coming from these "shithole countries". He sees them as having zero value to the US because they have no skills to bring in. Remember that "they aren't sending us their best" comment he made like a year or two ago? I think this is seated in elitism and classism more than simple racism.
[QUOTE=Xubs;53045362]There is really extremely little to go off of to assume he doesn't think this way. Pretty much the only thing we can extrapolate from is that he's literally just somehow stupid enough to say horribly racist shit all the time when he isn't [I]that[/I] racist. But what kind of positive outlook is that to go off of?[/QUOTE]
Everything I've seen from him regarding race has been gated white neighborhood racism, not calling for ethnic cleansing racism. Both are a form of white supremacy.
I believe the first is much more insidious and dangerous because the latter is much more difficult to build a public political figure off of.
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;53045376]I'm gonna have to disagree. I don't think it's a "brown people" problem, but more of a "poor unskilled people" problem for him, which are mostly the people coming from these "shithole countries". He sees them as having zero value to the US because they have no skills to bring in. Remember that "they aren't sending us their best" comment he made like a year or two ago? I think this is seated in elitism and classism more than simple racism.[/QUOTE]
I wonder if Donald Trump would have let jews into the country during the thirties, if he were president back then.
[QUOTE=Gbps;53045347]Mmm, not sure I agree with this at all. He's incredibly xenophobic and classist, which leads him to do and say racist things like this.
He definitely seems like one of those people who'd be golf buddies with a rich, super conservative black guy because he's "not like the other ones" and therefore it proves he's not racist to himself. This kind of racism is really common among the conservative upper class.[/QUOTE]
I used to think the same thing this excerpt from a Rolling Stone article said
[quote]Though it's technically true that no one but Donald Trump knows what's in Donald Trump's heart, he's given us some pretty good clues. He likely thinks swastika-toting Nazis and hood-wearing KKK members are bad guys – those are the easy targets everyone knows we're supposed to denounce – but the entitled, clean-cut, polo-wearing, torch-bearing racists chanting about how they won't be replaced? Those are the people who put him into office. They're his people. And they know he's their leader because they know Donald Trump is, like they are, racist.[/quote]
And I still do, but idk, man. After Arpaio, Charlottesville, and all of the key moments in Trump's first year where he was surrounded by people like Bannon, Gorka and Miller... I wouldn't be surprised if he subscribed to a bit more than the sort of "surface level" racist rhetoric he usually spouts
[QUOTE=Lambeth;53045397]I wonder if Donald Trump would have let jews into the country during the thirties, if he were president back then.[/QUOTE]
The populist nationalist movements back then were virulently anti-Semitic at a time where anti-semitism was still fairly common in countries like the US. The answer is almost assuredly yes.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;53045404]I used to think the same thing this excerpt from a Rolling Stone article said
And I still do, but idk, man. After Arpaio, Charlottesville, and all of the key moments in Trump's first year where he was surrounded by people like Bannon, Gorka and Miller... I wouldn't be surprised if he subscribed to a bit more than the sort of "surface level" racist rhetoric he usually spouts[/QUOTE]
I think by far the worst case against him has been Arpaio, you're very right about that. Pardoning that man was absolutely supporting straight up concentration-camp levels of racism.
[QUOTE=Gbps;53045416]I think by far the worst case against him has been Arpaio, you're very right about that. Pardoning that man was absolutely supporting straight up concentration-camp levels of racism.[/QUOTE]
I can't wait until this period in time is over, not only because Trump won't be in office, but so that we can judge all of these moments with a clearer mind, free of the (rightful) outrage they create and the doubt his supporters like to instill so much.
Can anyone teach me how to wait for things faster?
[QUOTE=Gbps;53045416]I think by far the worst case against him has been Arpaio, you're very right about that. Pardoning that man was absolutely supporting straight up concentration-camp levels of racism.[/QUOTE]
remember when he got more upset at black dudes in the nfl kneeling than white nationalists marching in the streets.
wow i've never seen such profanity all over the press uncensored.
[media]https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/951653207029280768[/media]
So bad they don't even have damage control ready
Interesting sidestory here about how most media outlets have evidently decided to use the word 'shithole' uncensored in headlines and on-screen chyrons, though with some exceptions. WaPo put 'shithole' right in the headline, wheres NYT went with an allusion to 'disparaging words'
[url]https://www.washingtonian.com/2018/01/11/washington-post-president-says-well-use-verbatim/[/url]
[QUOTE=Potus;53045055][media]https://twitter.com/mileskahn/status/951595875708686336[/media][/QUOTE]
Holy shit is that the type of passion we need to see more often. This type of passionate response should have been the norm to virtually every action Trump has taken so far, and yet there's been this weird complacency/humouring going on instead.
Glad to see CNN allowing this type of response on live tv first and foremost(not that it shouldn't have already been allowed), but also, I'm just glad to see someone have the guts to deliver such an impassioned speech in the first place.
[QUOTE=Potus;53045549][media]https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/951653207029280768[/media]
So bad they don't even have damage control ready[/QUOTE]
[I]Woah[/I], so wait a minute - you mean to tell me "his base likes it" isn't adequate enough of a defense for this? :huh:
Such a massive disgrace of the position. I know it started when he won the election but it's just becoming worse and worse by the day. I don't even know what to think anymore.
It feels hard to deny at this point that Trump is the worst President in US history, even after only one year in office. There's no more "wait and see". The amount of damage he's already done to the fabric of this country and the dignity of the Presidency is legitimately sickening, and will likely have lasting ramifications on our society for decades
[QUOTE=AK'z;53045500]wow i've never seen such profanity all over the press uncensored.[/QUOTE]
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this
[editline]12th January 2018[/editline]
[QUOTE=Potus;53045684][media]https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/951665338319388672[/media][/QUOTE]
He realizes this is celebrating MLKs day of birth, not his assassination, yeah?
[QUOTE=Duck M.;53045675]It feels hard to deny at this point that Trump is the worst President in US history, even after only one year in office. There's no more "wait and see". The amount of damage he's already done to the fabric of this country and the dignity of the Presidency is legitimately sickening, and will likely have lasting ramifications on our society for decades[/QUOTE]
I think the US can't even fathom the reputation that it has in other countries right now.
I know several people, me included, who striked the idea of working in or with the US because we can not imagine to deal with this shit.
[QUOTE=Killuah;53046011]I think the US can't even fathom the reputation that it has in other countries right now.
I know several people, me included, who striked the idea of working in or with the US because we can not imagine to deal with this shit.[/QUOTE]
Most of the conservatives I know either don't give a shit about how the US looks internationally or they think that the only way to be respected internationally is by looking "strong". Then again these are the same people that think Obama made the US look terrible and weak when he bowed in greeting when meeting with the Chinese while wanking off Putin and how "strong" he appeared.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;53045675]It feels hard to deny at this point that Trump is the worst President in US history, even after only one year in office. There's no more "wait and see". The amount of damage he's already done to the fabric of this country and the dignity of the Presidency is legitimately sickening, and will likely have lasting ramifications on our society for decades[/QUOTE]
At this point, rock bottom has been around 1,000-10,000 feet above us. I mean come on, if he doesn't say something stupid or offensive, his base will. For fucks sake, they got pissed off at MachineGames and Bethesda because the twitter advertising Wolfenstein 2 said shit like "Make America Nazi-free again" and "They're (Nazis) not good people." A game where you kill ACTUAL post-WW2 Axis Victory Nazis, and they bitched about it.
Also a bit surprised that CNN didn't censor shithole.
[QUOTE=Judas;53044892]he wants people from "countries like norway" aka mostly white people, not people from "shithole countries" like haiti and el savador, aka mostly nonwhite people[/QUOTE]
I think it's more about the economic situation of these countries than the skin color imo.
[QUOTE=Anderan;53046024]Most of the conservatives I know either don't give a shit about how the US looks internationally or they think that the only way to be respected internationally is by looking "strong". Then again these are the same people that think Obama made the US look terrible and weak when he bowed in greeting when meeting with the Chinese while wanking off Putin and how "strong" he appeared.[/QUOTE]
More to the point, the image the US currently has in countries like Norway could very well be the reason why Trump isn't seeing more of such immigrants...
Don Lemon's response :cool:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/01/12/don-lemon-response-trump-immigrant-countries-sot.cnn[/url]
So when are his base, various other supporters and centrists going to admit that he is a full on white supremacist?
[QUOTE=Snow-Hawk;53046373]So when are his base, various other supporters and centrists going to admit that he is a full on white supremacist?[/QUOTE]
they'll say he's "just talking about economics"
NPR now using 'shithole' uncensored on air
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[QUOTE=Potus;53045352][media]https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072[/media]
THE JEB HAS SPOKEN[/QUOTE]
comrade jeb will be a communist before the end of the year, mark my words
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