A sharp spike in racist incidents reported after the Brexit vote
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[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50603599]lmao yes I am aware of racism in my own country, Killuah.
Would you get off my nuts? I was enjoying the humorous mental imagine of some mouth-breather telling an [I]obviously British guy[/I] to "go back to Romania." Looks like that's ruined, I guess laughing is verboten.[/QUOTE]
"Like even in the most sister-fucking forgotten nowhere parts of Appalachia this shit doesn't happen."
A woman got stabbed and killed a few streets from where i live in broad daylight because she was polish.
[QUOTE=Killuah;50603607]"Like even in the most sister-fucking forgotten nowhere parts of Appalachia this shit doesn't happen."[/QUOTE]And your point is what? That I posted hyperbole? Yes, I imagine [I]somewhere[/I] there is at least one mountain man who would tell me to "go back to Canada" despite being born and raised on the south side of the border.
This is ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50603606]That said I think JumpinJack has a point sorta (maybe im reading too much into it though). Racism/xenophobia in the US is directed mainly towards people with different colour skin (or jews to some extent). Xenophobia in the UK seems to be directed toward anybody whos not British (or indeed english).[/QUOTE]You're probably spot-on there, but even with different skin color it isn't universal and there's a lot of subtle factors that go into it. Aside from that racism isn't as prevalent as it once was, even if it is being kept alive by certain elements of society.
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lmao yes I am aware of racism in my own country, Killuah.
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You know for all the shit we get about being ignorant and xenophobic in the United States I cannot ever image this happening here.
Like even in the most sister-fucking forgotten nowhere parts of Appalachia this shit doesn't happen.
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Alzheimers is a terrible thing
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;50603345]It is quite common for middle aged men to go baldning, and when that happens many choose to shave their heads. Are you saying there is a correlation between baldning and racism? Is hair literal tolerance?[/QUOTE]
i'm just having a joke mate of course hair isn't literal tolerance
just most casual racists I see like this are middle aged with complete chrome domes. bit of a stereotype really
back to the point at hand, it's sad but I'm not surprised this has happened. Of course everyone who voted leave isn't racist but it's highly likely, if not certain, that every racist voted leave. Exiting the EU and further isolating ourselves is just exacerbating the xenophobia that dwells in the corner of the local pub
I think this is a very good indicator of the voter base that UKIP panders to, and the sentiments of many of the Leave voters. It's no use pretending that UKIP is anything but an ultra-right wing, racist party of degenerates anymore.
[QUOTE=IAreLegend;50604158]i'm just having a joke mate of course hair isn't literal tolerance
just most casual racists I see like this are middle aged with complete chrome domes. bit of a stereotype really
back to the point at hand, it's sad but I'm not surprised this has happened. Of course everyone who voted leave isn't racist but it's highly likely, if not certain, that every racist voted leave. Exiting the EU and further isolating ourselves is just exacerbating the xenophobia that dwells in the corner of the local pub[/QUOTE]
Every single racist probably voted leave but not every single leave voter is racist.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50604219]I think this is a very good indicator of the voter base that UKIP panders to, and the sentiments of many of the Leave voters. It's no use pretending that UKIP is anything but an ultra-right wing, racist party of degenerates anymore.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget disgruntled conservatives who think the tories are socialists.
[QUOTE=archangel125;50604219]It's no use pretending that UKIP is anything but an ultra-right wing, racist party of degenerates anymore.[/QUOTE]
That is just wrong though. Even in London, 40% voted for leave. You can't just pretend people didn't vote on the basis that the EU might have its flaws.
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;50604273]That is just wrong though. Even in London, 40% voted for leave. You can't just pretend people didn't vote on the basis that the EU might have its flaws.[/QUOTE]
UKIP != leave voters
though ukip voter => leave voter
If that were the case UKIP would have won more than 4m votes last general.
Lots of the leave voters voted because they wanted to say "fuck the establishment" or coz of immigrants.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50604241]Every single racist probably voted leave but not every single leave voter is racist.[/QUOTE]
This seems to be a misunderstanding I hear a lot when people say racists votes leave the leave vote says but I'm not racist, because they don't understand a=>b does not mean b=>a.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50604283]UKIP != leave voters
though ukip voter => leave voter
If that were the case UKIP would have won more than 4m votes last general.
Lots of the leave voters voted because they wanted to say "fuck the establishment" or coz of immigrants.[/QUOTE]
That's not what I meant though. I was talking about the voterbase. By saying they only consist of xenophobic old folk or whatever you make them out to be, you're neglecting the bigger picture here.
[QUOTE=Jackald;50600746]I got told by some burly man in Tesco's to fuck off back to Romania because I was wearing "some fucking foreign shite" on my t-shirt. This was the t-shirt in question:
Also i'm white as fuck and speak with a Buckinghamshire accent, I genuinely have no idea how he thought I was even foreign in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Ah that reminds me when an old drunk mistook us (students waiting with luggage) as syrian refugees. Bizarely enough, he even pointed the three finger salute at us :v: like, what?
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;50604320]That's not what I meant though. I was talking about the voterbase. By saying they only consist of xenophobic old folk or whatever you make them out to be, you're neglecting the bigger picture here.[/QUOTE]
I said before a few times that most people who voted did so for one or more of the following reasoning:
Dislike EU Immigrants
Anti-establishment/Anti-cameron/Anti-austerity (only the anti cameron one is true)
Mislead into thinking it would stop none EU immigrants
Mislead into thinking the EU was a net negative (and that the money lost to the EU would be spent on public services)
Mislead into thinking the EU was a dictatorship
Not all leavers voted so because of immigrants but of those who did many did so from xenophobia and of those who didn't many voted so because they had been mislead.
The bigger concern is that xenophobes and racists will see this result and think "hey my views aren't borderline, ima go stab a pole!"
As for old folk. Majority of young were remain and majority of leave were old folk. More on demographics - less educated people tended to vote leave, more educated tended to vote remain.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50604372]I said before a few times that most people who voted did so for one or more of the following reasoning:
Dislike EU Immigrants
Anti-establishment/Anti-cameron/Anti-austerity (only the anti cameron one is true)
Mislead into thinking it would stop none EU immigrants
Mislead into thinking the EU was a net negative (and that the money lost to the EU would be spent on public services)
Mislead into thinking the EU was a dictatorship
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I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, because it's essentially what I said. But saying they got mislead into thinking the EU isn't absolutely perfect is a bit ridiculous don't you think? The EU obviously has its flaws and you can't just brush that under the carpet.
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;50604410]But saying they got mislead into thinking the EU isn't absolutely perfect is a bit ridiculous don't you think? [/QUOTE]
Yes it is ridiculous that's why he didn't say that
[QUOTE=Killuah;50604429]Yes it is ridiculous that's why he didn't say that[/QUOTE]
He implicitly did by saying "Mislead into x". Feel free to argue semantics with me.
How is criticizing you argueing points that noone makes "semantics" you either agree/disagree with the stuff he actually posts or don't but don't exagerate stuff just so you can ridicule your own exageration instead of the actual points people raise
[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;50604410]I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here, because it's essentially what I said. But saying they got mislead into thinking the EU isn't absolutely perfect is a bit ridiculous don't you think? The EU obviously has its flaws and you can't just brush that under the carpet.[/QUOTE]
Flaws I see are:
EU commission - France, Germany and UK were trying to get rid of
Not got unified fiscal policy - biggest issue, imo countries just gotta bite the bullet
Euroskeptics - just dirt clogging up and slowing down a machine
Size meaning individual input is less valued - no real fix but if america can do it so can we
Potential for abuse from private interests - same applies to any gov
TTIP - which france blocked and germany disapproved of
Turkey - not going to happen
ECB - same problems faced with any central bank so doesn't really apply
MEPs tending to be useless - problem caused by retards electing euroskeptics
Individual interests hindering EU as a whole - see Cameron blocking tariffs on china
Most people are far too stupid to see the legit problems. I sound arrogant but seriously most people I've spoken to state money sent to the EU and immigration as the problems. Those who do venture into politics state the EU makes all our laws - BS or say the european parliament is unelected BS or call it a dictatorship - BS.
IMO all of the above are problems we face anyway or are problems we can fix by staying in.
The point I was trying to argue is that while there are legit reasons to criticise the EU most people have silly reasons to leave or don't know enough about it.
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[QUOTE=D4RkHaZz;50604438]He implicitly did by saying "Mislead into x". Feel free to argue semantics with me.[/QUOTE]
Mislead into thinking 1 facet is worse than it is, is very different than being mislead into thinking everything is perfect.
Why don't they give it a break, they lost get over it. Bunch of sore losers.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50604459]IMO all of the above are problems we face anyway or are problems we can fix by staying in.
The point I was trying to argue is that while there are legit reasons to criticise the EU most people have silly reasons to leave or don't know enough about it.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree, looks like we have a misunderstanding here then. Your first response lead me to believe you disagree with the fact that the EU has problems. Sorry about that.
I'm actually concerned because my sister, who is asian american has a trip to Scotland planned this week.
[QUOTE=genpung;50604626]I'm actually concerned because my sister, who is asian american has a trip to Scotland planned this week.[/QUOTE]
Scotland was heavily remain and so she shouldn't have a problem.
[QUOTE=genpung;50604626]I'm actually concerned because my sister, who is asian american has a trip to Scotland planned this week.[/QUOTE]
This is an English phenomenon more than a Scottish one
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50604372]I said before a few times that most people who voted did so for one or more of the following reasoning:
Dislike EU Immigrants
Anti-establishment/Anti-cameron/Anti-austerity (only the anti cameron one is true)
Mislead into thinking it would stop none EU immigrants
Mislead into thinking the EU was a net negative (and that the money lost to the EU would be spent on public services)
Mislead into thinking the EU was a dictatorship
Not all leavers voted so because of immigrants but of those who did many did so from xenophobia and of those who didn't many voted so because they had been mislead.
The bigger concern is that xenophobes and racists will see this result and think "hey my views aren't borderline, ima go stab a pole!"
As for old folk. Majority of young were remain and majority of leave were old folk. More on demographics - less educated people tended to vote leave, more educated tended to vote remain.[/QUOTE]
More people who were directly affected by immigration voted leave, i.e in heavily migrant populated areas.
Example: Lincolnshire.
It would be very difficult to believe that nearly 65% of a county is racist or suffer from mass hysteria.
[IMG]http://i1.wp.com/thelincolnite.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Referendum-map-lincs-results-final.jpg?w=1200[/IMG]
You know one county is not gonna be accepted as a valid source right?
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[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50604662][B]More people who were directly affected by immigration voted leave, i.e in heavily migrant populated areas.
Example: Lincolnshire.[/B]
It would be very difficult to believe that nearly 65% of a county is racist or suffer from mass hysteria.
[IMG]http://i1.wp.com/thelincolnite.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Referendum-map-lincs-results-final.jpg?w=1200[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Quoting this because absolutely fucking LOL
[quote]Lincolnshire is relatively unusual in the composition of its population,[B] being one of the least ethnically diverse counties of the United Kingdom (98.5% of the population describe themselves as "white")[/B]. Over recent years inward migration by people from ethnic minority communities has increased (particularly to population centres such as Lincoln and Boston) but the absolute number of non-white Lincolnshire residents remains very low.[/quote]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire#People[/url]
[QUOTE] IMO all of the above are problems we face anyway or are problems we can fix by staying in. [/QUOTE]
I suppose the fact that not one single one of our vetos' worked and that Cameron's attempt at reform gained nothing suggests that fixing is not possible.
You just illustrated the exact opposite of what you're saying, good job dude, good job.
And you wonder why people start thinking that a good portion of the leave-supporters are ....well. You just demonstrated it.
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50604662]More people who were directly affected by immigration voted leave, i.e in heavily migrant populated areas.
Example: Lincolnshire.
It would be very difficult to believe that nearly 65% of a county is racist or suffer from mass hysteria.
[IMG]http://i1.wp.com/thelincolnite.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Referendum-map-lincs-results-final.jpg?w=1200[/IMG][/QUOTE]
That is false.
London is most influenced by immigration and it was largely remain.
The reverse is more likely. Less affected by immigration => higher vote leave.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50604732]That is false.
London is most influenced by immigration and it was largely remain.
The reverse is more likely. Less affected by immigration => higher vote leave.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's suggested that most areas where there was a long period of no contact with foreigners and a sudden influx in the last decades is what spawns resentments.
It's very evident here in Germany where the former GDR areas, especiall the ones with the lowest foreigner percentage vote for the nationalistic parties.
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