John Bolton: Israel only has 8 days to strike Iran
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Actually most of these buildings harboured Hamas members or were stockpiles of weapons, so technically Hamas broke the military law of not using civilian buildings for military needs, and the IDF isn't guilty here.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24236991]Yeah, it's kind of hard to spot them since they are using civilians as camouflage. [/QUOTE]
Ok.......
[editline]05:48PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24237021]Actually most of these buildings harboured Hamas members or were stockpiles of weapons, so technically Hamas broke the military law of not using civilian buildings for military needs, and the IDF isn't guilty here.[/QUOTE]
Oh really? apperantley from all those weapon storage houses that are apperantley from most of gaza's buildings, Hamas has enough weapons to take over israel.
[quote]apperantley from all those weapon storage houses that are apperantley from most of gaza's buildings, Hamas has enough weapons to take over israe[/quote]
Wow... that's... an interesting refute technique.
[QUOTE=Random94;24237052]Oh really? apperantley from all those weapon storage houses that are apperantley from most of gaza's buildings, Hamas has enough weapons to take over israel.[/QUOTE]
Nah, they're just bottle rockets, but these buildings are usually also where the rockets are fired from, so Israel has to take them out quickly.
[QUOTE=Random94;24237014]Nope, those are all from the gaza war, also i doubt you know anything about warfare either so your not the one to judge me on that, got that armchair general.[/QUOTE]
It's not hard to learn about it so you don't have to have done military service to know basic tactics. I'm not really an armchair general because I'm not telling them what to do, just pointing out facts.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24237230]Nah, they're just bottle rockets, but these buildings are usually also where the rockets are fired from, so Israel has to take them out quickly.[/QUOTE]
Apperantly israel kills civilians and also ban construction materials just to make sure that apartment (oh i mean missle site) dosent ever get used again to fire this:
[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Bottle_Rockets.jpg[/url]
Aw, how cute. He googled bottle rockets and got an image off Wikipedia.
[QUOTE=Random94;24237326]Apperantly israel kills civilians and also ban construction materials just to make sure that apartment (oh i mean missle site) dosent ever get used again to fire this:
[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Bottle_Rockets.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
"What do you want? It's just firecrackers! Silly children shoot at my house firecrackers that make my house explode and my family die on a daily basis! I'm not going to shoot them because of that. HAMAS are just naughty boys."
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24237341]Aw, how cute. He googled bottle rockets and got an image off Wikipedia.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, its adorable isint it? its also even more adorable how israel actually bombs such places for these.
[QUOTE=Random94;24237326]Apperantly israel kills civilians and also ban construction materials just to make sure that apartment (oh i mean missle site) dosent ever get used again to fire this:
[url]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Bottle_Rockets.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Uhh no, they do allow in construction supplies when humanitarian aid groups ask for them, and they use them to rebuild many buildings, but sometimes Hamas even steals it from the humanitarian aid groups and use it to make rockets or tunnels from which they smuggle military supplies.
[editline]06:11PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Random94;24237379]Oh yes, its adorable isint it? its also even more adorable how israel actually bombs such places for these.[/QUOTE]
Don't wanna get bombed? Don't throw rockets in the first place.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24237369]"What do you want? It's just firecrackers! Silly children shoot at my house firecrackers that make my house explode and my family die on a daily basis! I'm not going to shoot them because of that. HAMAS are just naughty boys."[/QUOTE]
Apperantley from burnemdowns description thats what they are firing at israel, but i knew that wasnt going to be taken seriously.
[editline]07:14PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24237537]Don't wanna get bombed? Don't throw rockets in the first place.[/QUOTE]
I did not throw any rockets in the first place :P
[QUOTE=Random94;24238763]I did not throw any rockets in the first place :P[/QUOTE]
I meant about the Hamas.
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Don't wanna get bombed? Don't throw rockets in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Only if you stop oppressing a country.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24237537]Uhh no, they do allow in construction supplies when humanitarian aid groups ask for them, and they use them to rebuild many buildings, but sometimes Hamas even steals it from the humanitarian aid groups and use it to make rockets or tunnels from which they smuggle military supplies.[/QUOTE]
Well as i said such items are banned by israel regardless of who wants to bring them in, humanitarians or any one else.
also how can you make rockets with cemement?
[QUOTE=Sickle;24238891]Only if you stop oppressing a country.[/QUOTE]
They launched rockets even after Israel left Gaza.
[editline]07:35PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Random94;24238924]Well as i said such items are banned by israel regardless of who wants to bring them in, humanitarians or any one else.
also how can you make rockets with cemement?[/QUOTE]
No, building materials are allowed when humanitarian aid groups ask for them. And construction material includes metals and stuff, I bet it's not to hard for them, they make rockets out of anything.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239204]They launched rockets even after Israel left Gaza.[/QUOTE]
Well if you didint relise, Gaza isint their country, The land israel is occupiying is, and only until they get that land, they wil stop.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239204]They launched rockets even after Israel left Gaza.
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Hahaha who you're trying to kid?
Israel never 'left' Gaza. Hell, they even punished the Palestinian people for voting the "the wrong way" in a free and fair election by imposing an illegal blockade.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239204]I bet it's not to hard for them, they make rockets out of anything.[/QUOTE]
But obviously the rockets they made can easliy be shot down by israel, hell i bet their inaccuracy and low range dont make them anything other than almost harmless fireworks, so obviously that is hardly a threat.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24239311]Hahaha who you're trying to kid?
Israel never 'left' Gaza. Hell, they even punished the Palestinian people for voting the wrong way by imposing an illegal blockade.[/QUOTE]
They put a terrorist organization which has been launching rockets at Israel for years in charge. Would the US do nothing if Mexico will elect a president who's running some kind of an anti-american crime gang?
[editline]07:45PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Random94;24239228]Well if you didint relise, Gaza isint their country, The land israel is occupiying is, and only until they get that land will they stop.[/QUOTE]
If it's their country why did they sell it to the early Zionists?
[editline]07:46PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Random94;24239329]But obviously the rockets they made can easliy be shot down by israel, hell i bet their inaccuracy and low range dont make them anything other than almost harmless fireworks, so obviously that is hardly a threat.[/QUOTE]
They will be easily shot down soon, when Israel finishes its anti-missile technology, forgot what it's called. These missiles do kill and cause a lot of damage though.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239400]They put a terrorist organization which has been launching rockets at Israel for years in charge. Would the US do nothing if Mexico will elect a president who's running some kind of an anti-american crime gang?[/QUOTE]
Who is "They", and also they wouldnt bomb the shit out of Mexico, they would eliminate the gang and negotiate with the president otherwise they have to remove him.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239400]If it's their country why did they sell it to the early Zionists?[/QUOTE]
They never did such a thing, otherwise why would they fight for it?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239400]They put a terrorist organization which has been launching rockets at Israel for years in charge. Would the US do nothing if Mexico will elect a president who's running some kind of an anti-american crime gang?[/QUOTE]There was a 6 month peace treaty and Israel blew it. Besides, Israel shouldn't be bitching; [I]they [/I]empower Hamas.
And don't bring the Mexican analogy here, I see it get refuted so easily in the Haaretz comments. If the U.S oppressed and stole land from Mexico illegally and had the same track record as Israel then it'd be the same.
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If it's their country why did they sell it to the early Zionists?
[/quote]Private land ownership does not mean you can create a nation - now lets pretend your right, GUESS WHAT? The Zionists only acquired 8% of the land.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239400]They will be easily shot down soon, when Israel finishes its anti-missile technology, forgot what it's called. These missiles do kill and cause a lot of damage though.[/QUOTE]
Your kidding right? those are homemade rockets, it dosent take state of the art anti missle tech to shoot it down, also they do cause some damage, but kil far less people, hell, most of them dont even kill anyone.
[QUOTE=Random94;24239541]Your kidding right? those are homemade rockets, it dosent take state of the art anti missle tech to shoot it down, also they do cause some damage, but kil far less people, hell, most of them dont even kill anyone.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about?
[B]They're extremely destructive![/B]
[IMG]http://pakalert.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hamas-rocket-causes-devastation-in-israel.jpg[/IMG]
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I don't think I even need to post pictures of the Israeli bombs.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24239671]What are you talking about?
[B]They're extremely destructive![/B]
[IMG]http://pakalert.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/hamas-rocket-causes-devastation-in-israel.jpg[/IMG]
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I don't think I even need to post pictures of the Israeli bombs.[/QUOTE]
Hell, ive seen firecrackers that do more damage lol
[QUOTE=Random94;24239471]Who is "They", and also they wouldnt bomb the shit out of Mexico, they would eliminate the gang and negotiate with the president otherwise they have to remove him.
They never did such a thing, otherwise why would they fight for it?[/QUOTE]
"They" is the Palestinian people, and they also didn't bomb the shit out of them for it, they imposed a blockade on Gaza so that the Hamas will be severely weakened and also so that they wouldn't get good rockets. The first goal wasn't achieved but the second one has as they can only use semi-harmless home-made rockets and not real stuff.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239829]"They" is the Palestinian people, and they also didn't bomb the shit out of them for it, they imposed a blockade on Gaza so that the Hamas will be severely weakened and also so that they wouldn't get good rockets. The first goal wasn't achieved but the second one has as they can only use semi-harmless home-made rockets and not real stuff.[/QUOTE]
The blockade was to punish the Palestinians for not voting 'the right way' in a free and fair elections. It was not to deter Hamas because it never has. Hamas already smuggles their shit underground, as well as toys, cars, chocolates and all sorts of food Israel banned.
But yeah, you're right. The blockade which restricted over 50 types of food ranging from chocolates to jam was to prevent Hamas from getting rockets.
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[QUOTE=starpluck;24239511]There was a 6 month peace treaty and Israel blew it. Besides, Israel shouldn't be bitching; [I]they [/I]empower Hamas.[/quote]
So? Didn't the US empower the Taliban or Al-Qaeda (I forgot which) so they could fight the Russians for them? Israel basically did the same against the Fatah, and now the Fatah are actually the more peaceful ones.
[quote]Private land ownership does not mean you can create a nation - now lets pretend your right, GUESS WHAT? The Zionists only acquired 8% of the land.[/QUOTE]
And the Arabs wanted to take it, now what?
[editline]08:07PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Random94;24239541]Your kidding right? those are homemade rockets, it dosent take state of the art anti missle tech to shoot it down, also they do cause some damage, but kil far less people, hell, most of them dont even kill anyone.[/QUOTE]
I know most of them don't, but some do, so Israel can't just let them continue killing civilians, no matter how slow the rate is.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239829]"They" is the Palestinian people[/QUOTE]
So you are saying the palistinians put a terrorist organisation in power?
So that means your saying palestinians support terrorisim?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239829]and they also didn't bomb the shit out of them for it, they imposed a blockade on Gaza so that the Hamas will be severely weakened and also so that they wouldn't get good rockets. The first goal wasn't achieved but the second one has as they can only use semi-harmless home-made rockets and not real stuff.[/QUOTE]
Israel started the blockade in 2007, if they had semi harmless rockets, why almost bomb them to the stoneage in 2008?
[QUOTE=starpluck;24239886]The blockade was to punish the Palestinians for not voting 'the right way' in a free and fair elections. It was not to deter Hamas because it never has. Hamas already smuggles their shit underground, as well as toys, cars, chocolates and all sorts of food Israel banned.
But yeah, you're right. The blockade which restricted over 50 types of food ranging from beef to jam was to prevent Hamas from getting rockets.
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Yeah because one quote of some idiot totally shows the meaning behind Israel's actions right?
[editline]08:09PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Random94;24239917]So you are saying the palistinians put a terrorist organisation in power?
So that means your saying palestinians support terrorisim?
Israel started the blockade in 2007, if they had semi harmless rockets, why almost bomb them to the stoneage in 2008?[/QUOTE]
Because even semi harmless are still harmful. Also Israel hoped it could free Gilad Shalit in this operation.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239898]So? Didn't the US empower the Taliban or Al-Qaeda (I forgot which) so they could fight the Russians for them? Israel basically did the same against the Fatah, and now the Fatah are actually the more peaceful ones.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean in that way, but I suppose we can bring that up. What I meant was that Israel's continual lack of human rights oppression etc. empowers Hamas even stronger.
Therefore in the end, Israel creates and arms Hamas.
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And the Arabs wanted to take it, now what?
[/quote]Private landownership does not constitute a nation's creation.
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[editline]08:14PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24239929]Yeah because one quote of some idiot totally shows the meaning behind Israel's actions right?[/QUOTE]
What quote?
[quote]Because even semi harmless are still harmful. Also Israel hoped it could free Gilad Shalit in this operation.[/quote]That's not a justification. Hamas could say they were trying to free the Palestinians every time they lob a bottle rocket.
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