• John Bolton: Israel only has 8 days to strike Iran
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I smell World War 3......and hopefully not a draft.
Hmm, I read that article and it's actually a half decent plan. It's not really about Nuking Iran though, it's about penetrating the defenses built around the plants. I can see it as a good plan but they would probably need some good intel so they don't just waste a bunch of money blowing up plants that weren't doing anything.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24150401]Iran is paranoid as fuck about Israeli spies both because they know it's highly likely and because they are insane. The circumstances for it to look like they did it intentionaly are near impossible to attain so at best, it will look like incompetence that caused it. Such an event would not give reason for other countries to invade but the actions of Iran afterwards might. The most likely scenario is that with the Iranian government doing such damage to their own people,[b] support for them wanes, riots break out and they are overthrown by their own people.[/b][/QUOTE] Are you fucking kidding me? I'm Iranian, and I understand the situation and the viewpoint of the actual civilians in Iran. A SMALL percentage of people actually support the government, and those are the religious fanatics, who will never ever go against the Islamic government. But, other then them; NOBODY else respects the government, and would do anything to get rid of them. But here's the kicker: THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Like most people learned after the Moussavi conflict, the Iranian people who want a revolution, aren't the same ones that orchestrated the last revolution, they are younger and more naive; and when it gets to the real nitty gritty, of actually fighting and standing up against being thrown into prison or attacked, they just scamper the fuck away. Their is no real support to wane in the first place. Some people have to stop thinking of every international conflict as like a game of Civ 4, and start thinking more in real life.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24151592]What is wrong with you, are you that pro-Israel that you'd even support them bombing Iran taking the repercussions into account?[/quote] Not everything I say is a statement. That was nothing but a question. I can also make bold statements like: "The US is a shit country" or "The US shouldn't be in Iraq" But unless you explain why you believe that, those comments are worthless.
Let them both annihilate each other, bunch a pricks.
I don't want Iran to have nuclear capabilities, but I also don't think itd be a good idea of Irsrael attacked. I dunno, its sorta scary that we are at the edge of what may become a nuclear war. This sorta reminds me of the Cuban Missle Crisis.
I'm more scared of Israel having Nuclear capabilities honestly.
[QUOTE=Miskav;24152639]I'm more scared of Israel having Nuclear capabilities honestly.[/QUOTE] Well they have it. So what you gonna do?
I think it's quite ironic for israel to attack iran due to their nuclear program, despite the israelis having a nuclear program and possibly nuclear weapons, I guess they dont want competitors in region lol.
[QUOTE=Random94;24152755]I think it's quite ironic for israel to attack iran due to their nuclear program, despite the israelis having a nuclear program and possibly nuclear weapons, I guess they dont want competitors in region lol.[/QUOTE] No, it's just that Israel doesn't want any nations in the Middle East that as/more powerful as Israel. They don't want any nations to have nukes etc. Hence the Iraq war.
[QUOTE=Random94;24152755]I think it's quite ironic for israel to attack iran due to their nuclear program, despite the israelis having a nuclear program and possibly nuclear weapons, I guess they dont want competitors in region lol.[/QUOTE] What? It's not as if it's a competition between who has more nuclear abilites, it's the fear of nuclear weapons that Israel would use as their motive to attack Iran.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24152783]What? It's not as if it's a competition between who has more nuclear abilites, it's the fear of nuclear weapons that Israel would use as their motive to attack Iran.[/QUOTE] Israel sees any nations with nukes (In the Middle East) as a threat to itself.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24152783]What? It's not as if it's a competition between who has more nuclear abilites, it's the fear of nuclear weapons that Israel would use as their motive to attack Iran.[/QUOTE] Well the israelis happen to have nukes but i dont see any condemnation against them, and thats quite unfair if there will a peaceful resolution to the conflict.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24152797]Israel sees any nations with nukes (In the Middle East) as a threat to itself.[/QUOTE] Probably because they are. [QUOTE=Random94;24152822]Well the israelis happen to have nukes but i dont see any condemnation against them, and thats quite unfair if there will a peaceful resolution to the conflict.[/QUOTE] Who said it should be fair?
[QUOTE=Random94;24152822]Well the israelis happen to have nukes but i dont see any condemnation against them, and thats quite unfair if there will a peaceful resolution to the conflict.[/QUOTE] It's obvious double standard. [editline]01:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;24152858]Probably because they are.[/QUOTE] Was Iraq a threat to Israel?
[QUOTE=starpluck;24152797]Israel sees any nations with nukes (In the Middle East) as a threat to itself.[/QUOTE] Because most of them are? Iran is probably the most vocal about hating Israel and if they got Nuclear weapons, it's hard to imagine them using them on anyone else. [QUOTE=Random94;24152822]Well the israelis happen to have nukes but i dont see any condemnation against them, and thats quite unfair if there will a peaceful resolution to the conflict.[/QUOTE] There's been quite a few calls for Israel to disarm but most people understand that Israel having Nuclear weapons isn't a cause of the conflict, just a symptom.
There is no concern. Even if they had nuclear weapons the 1970s state of affairs still stands. If you go nuclear, you don't have a country left because every other nuclear state launches at you in case they are the next or present target.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24152861]Was Iraq a threat to Israel?[/QUOTE] Yes. Did they deal with it? No. The US did.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24152858]Who said it should be fair?[/QUOTE] Because the last thing i want to see is a nuclear war erupting in the region because i happen to live there.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24152870]Because most of them are? Iran is probably the most vocal about hating Israel and if they got Nuclear weapons, it's hard to imagine them using them on anyone else.[/quote]Disliking Israell is different then vowing to destroying them. Was Iraq a threat? [editline]01:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;24152884]Yes. Did they deal with it? No. The US did.[/QUOTE] No Iraq wasn't a threat and it turned out they had no WMDs. Just like how it's going to be with Iran.
[QUOTE=Random94;24152893]Because the last thing i want to see is a nuclear war erupting in the region because i happen to live there.[/QUOTE] Deal with it. The USA had the largest economy in the world for ages. Does that mean that they should share the wealth equaly to other countries? Why should they do it with nuclear power? It's certainly something more dangerous than wealth. [QUOTE=starpluck;24152894]No Iraq wasn't a threat and it turned out they had no WMDs. Just like how it's going to be with Iran.[/QUOTE] Iraq was a threat back then, or you just forgetting that. Too bad the intel was faulty. In the end, is it not better to be safer than sorry? I can't believe anyone would want Iran, of all countries in the world, to have any form of nuclear ability.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24152894]Disliking Israell is different then vowing to destroying them. Was Iraq a threat? [editline]01:20PM[/editline] No Iraq wasn't a threat and it turned out they had no WMDs. Just like how it's going to be with Iran.[/QUOTE] iran vowed many times to destroy israel. can't see how they aren't a threat. not sure about iraq, but they attacked israel during the gulf war so i'm pretty sure they thought the same. iran's current leader said once: "Israel must be wiped off the map", yet a lot of people here don't care if iran gets nukes.
[QUOTE=dropp;24152949]iran vowed many times to destroy israel. can't see how they aren't a threat.[/QUOTE] They never vowed to destroy Israel, it was a mistranslation, but even after the US Media realized that, it still gets looped. What Iran said was "The Regime occupying Jerusalem will fall like the Soviet Union in Russia" [quote] not sure about iraq, but they attacked israel during the gulf war so i'm pretty sure they thought the same.[/quote]:wtc: are you talking about. [editline]01:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;24152927] Iraq was a threat back then, or you just forgetting that. Too bad the intel was faulty. In the end, is it not better to be safer than sorry? I can't believe anyone would want Iran, of all countries in the world, to have any form of nuclear ability.[/QUOTE] Better safe than sorry? Yeah lets bomb Iran because they [B]might[/B] be a threat, [I]better than sorry[/I].
[QUOTE=starpluck;24152965]They never vowed to destroy Israel, it was a mistranslation, but even after the US Media realized that, it still gets looped. What Iran said was "The Regime occupying Jerusalem will fall like the Soviet Union in Russia" :wtc: are you talking about.[/QUOTE] iraq fired scud missiles at israel. also, iran said a lot of things. most of them are hateful towards israel and talk about its destruction. just google it up, you'll find lots of quotes. [url]http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051026-ajc01.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24152870]There's been quite a few calls for Israel to disarm but most people understand that Israel having Nuclear weapons isn't a cause of the conflict, just a symptom.[/QUOTE] No, that isint the case, Actually israel havng WMDs just makes this conflict even more serious.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24152894]Disliking Israell is different then vowing to destroying them. Was Iraq a threat?[/quote]I know you're going to pull that whole "It was a mistranslation" thing so I'll just skip that part. Regardless of what they say, they are not empty threats and disaproval. The Iranian government wants Israel gone and they're certainly not doing it the diplomatic way. [quote]No Iraq wasn't a threat and it turned out they had no WMDs. Just like how it's going to be with Iran.[/QUOTE] The Osirak is the only one you should be concerned about and they actually did have a reactor. If they would of used it against Israel is the concern but they weren't exactly friends with Israel either. They waged war with them along with several other Arab nations so you can see why they aren't trusting.
[QUOTE=dropp;24152992]iraq fired scud missiles at israel. [/QUOTE] Source? [quote] also, iran said a lot of things. most of them are hateful towards israel and talk about its destruction. just google it up, you'll find lots of quotes. [URL]http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2005/iran-051026-ajc01.htm[/URL][/QUOTE] Yeah and that quote is a mistranslation, it was already clarified on years ago. Explains it; article is from 2005. [editline]01:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;24152997]I know you're going to pull that whole "It was a mistranslation" thing so I'll just skip that part. Regardless of what they say, they are not empty threats and disaproval. The Iranian government wants Israel gone and they're certainly not doing it the diplomatic way.[/quote] Really? How do you know all this? [quote] The Osirak is the only one you should be concerned about and they actually did have a reactor. If they would of used it against Israel is the concern but they weren't exactly friends with Israel either. They waged war with them along with several other Arab nations so you can see why they aren't trusting.[/QUOTE] Many claim that the bombing of the Iraqi Osirak reactor delayed Iraq's nuclear bomb program. But the Iraqi nuclear program before 1981 was peaceful, and the Osirak reactor was not only unsuited to making bombs but was under intensive safeguards[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera#cite_note-4"][5][/URL].
As long as there's Zionism in the media, Israel can make up any excuse to attack a country.
[QUOTE=Random94;24152994]No, that isint the case, Actually israel havng WMDs just makes this conflict even more serious.[/QUOTE] Israel has had Nuclear weapons since the 60s and if anything, the fighting has gone down. It's more serious due to the capabilities of Israel but that fact is what is causing less fighting to occur. If you think that Iran having Nuclear weapons is going to deter Israel in the same way, when was the last time Israel attacked Iran?
[QUOTE=starpluck;24153023]Source? Yeah and that quote is a mistranslation, it was already clarified on years ago. Explains it; article is from 2005.[/QUOTE] source: "Israeli concerns proved justified after the war began and Iraq fired 39 Scud missiles at its civilian population centers." from [url]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Gulf_War.html[/url] or just google "iraq scud israel" and find better sources if you don't like the one i posted. so fact is, iraq was a threat and attacking its reactor was justified. anyway, about iran.. mistranslation or whatever, iran wants to destroy israel. deny it all you want, it's the truth.
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