John Bolton: Israel only has 8 days to strike Iran
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24156097]All 400,000 supported Saddam?!!? Wow, there must be some serious psychics in Kuwait who read the minds of 400,000 Palestinians. But the truth is, and you know it, is the Kuwait expelled them because the PLO supported Saddam - and in the minds of the Kuwaiti government it seems that the leadership (which isn't even an actual, elected, leadership) represents the entire population.
La, ya zalami. Anta 7mar who doesn't care about human lives. You call for war because you're stupid, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
Translation: No man, you're a donkey who doesn't care...
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;24156095]I think his plans for war are even funnier. I kinda want GunFox or Tac Error to show up.[/QUOTE]
You're arrogance is funny as well.
I said he's an ass later on so that doesn't matter :v:
[QUOTE=Random94;24156111]Lol, you feel so tough after your buddies showed up.[/QUOTE]
All of your plans for war were retarded. You do not understand how special forces, intelligence or even tactics work. The Arab army is incompetent and understand as such. Most sensible Arab countries have resorted to peace or proxy war but you seem to think that sabotage and direct engagement will work.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24156097]La, ya zalami. Anta 7mar who doesn't care about human lives. You call for war because you're stupid, nothing more.[/QUOTE]
I call for war because i think we shoudlnt be appeasing them and they caused too much trouble for us, also i want a palestinian state established thats why we fight, and i guess you are the minority of arabs who support israel as i stated earlier, or you just picked up a few arabic words here and there, also i do care about human lives, otherwise i think we should have attacked them regardless of their nuclear ability, so dont accuse me of having no regard for human life.
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[QUOTE=Devodiere;24156188]All of your plans for war were retarded. You do not understand how special forces, intelligence or even tactics work. The Arab army is incompetent and understand as such. Most sensible Arab countries have resorted to peace or proxy war but you seem to think that sabotage and direct engagement will work.[/QUOTE]
Well im no general, but it was a suggestion, also you dont know anything either to judge that plan, so fuck you, your just some pro israeli who just wants to influence me, so again, screw you.
[QUOTE=Random94;24156194]I call for war because i think we shoudlnt be appeasing them and they caused too much trouble for us, also i want a palestinian state established thats why we fight, and i guess you are the minority of arabs who support israel as i stated earlier, or you just picked up a few arabic words here and there, also i do care about human lives, otherwise i think we should have attacked them regardless of their nuclear ability, so dont accuse me of having no regard for human life.[/quote]
Ana yahudi, hada wa7ad. [if that makes any sense]
Tnin: History tells us that war against Israel is a bad idea, especially that now it is stronger than ever before. If you wish to support the Palestinians in their wish for a state - you need to be AGAINST violence, because that will just rise the tensions and will give Israel a much-more-than justified excuse to halt the peace talks (which will begin in a month or so).
Also, the claim that Israel having nuclear weapons is dangerous pretty much absurd. Israel won't use it unless (and still, in a huge doubt) it will face utter destruction.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24156291]Ana yahudi, hada wa7ad. [if that makes any sense]
Tnin: History tells us that war against Israel is a bad idea, especially that now it is stronger than ever before. If you wish to support the Palestinians in their wish for a state - you need to be AGAINST violence, because that will just rise the tensions and will give Israel a much-more-than justified excuse to halt the peace talks (which will begin in a month or so).
Also, the claim that Israel having nuclear weapons is dangerous pretty much absurd. Israel won't use it unless (and still, in a huge doubt) it will face utter destruction.[/QUOTE]
Ok...This is stange
Well just because it is stronger dosent mean its indestructible, also the peace talks stopped due to you guys (i presume your israeli, but correct me if i am wrong) constructing settlements and forcing the palestinians out, also i really think they will launch those nukes in case we try to attack, and penetrate israel's borders, also they have a tough nuclear doctrine, so that is why we arabs should hit the production facilaties, and then all nuclear capable mediums, also i wish there was a peaceful solution, but sometimes in such cases as these, i unfortunatley say that i dont think this is not going to end peacefully.
I can see that you wish war, but I don't think you ever experienced what having missiles fired upon you feels like (and for the protocol - I have). Grow up. Life isn't a video game.
[QUOTE=Random94;24156491]Ok...This is stange
Well just because it is stronger dosent mean its indestructible, also the peace talks stopped due to you guys (i presume your israeli, but correct me if i am wrong) constructing settlements and forcing the palestinians out, also i really think they will launch those nukes in case we try to attack, and penetrate israel's borders, also they have a tough nuclear doctrine, so that is why we arabs should hit the production facilaties, and then all nuclear capable mediums, also i wish there was a peaceful solution, but sometimes in such cases as these, i unfortunatley say that i dont think this is not going to end peacefully.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, the misiles aren't lying around with a few guards nearby. Google what a [url=http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ETk&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&q=missile+silo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=T_BrTM_NKM_Qcce9jI0B&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQsAQwAA&biw=1280&bih=646]missile silo[/url] is, you're going to have a bloody hard time getting into one of them as opposed to sabotaging them all. Their production facilities also don't come into it when the length of most wars is less than a month.
The reason you don't think it will end peacefuly is because the only outcome you can see is Israel destroyed. There's your problem.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24156526]I can see that you wish war, but I don't think you ever experienced what having missiles fired upon you feels like (and for the protocol - I have). Grow up. Life isn't a video game.[/QUOTE]
I know it isint, but having ADVANCED missles (not homemade, inacuratte bullshit that are better off being catagorised as fireworks that can be intercepted) and bombs being dropped on you is not a good thing to experiance, and thats what i see palestinians going through when this happens, i see the isralies hiding in well fortified shelters while the palestinians hide in rubble in the hope that nothing hits them, compare the death toll, you may have seen them hit you, but they have seen the same thing from israeli's and actually had lots of losses, in the hundreds of thousands, thats what really pisses me off.
What I experienced is not Qassams, but Katyushas, which are rather advanced Russian missiles (compared to Qassams that it). Yet again, Israel doesn't just attack in Gaza Strip for no reason.
If you really support the Palestinians you shouldn't not support war against Israel.
[quote]in the hundreds of thousands,[/quote]
What...? The total deaths of the entire Israeli-Arab conflict is about 50,000-60,000.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24156590]Seriously, the misiles aren't lying around with a few guards nearby. Google what a [url=http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=ETk&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&q=missile+silo&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=T_BrTM_NKM_Qcce9jI0B&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCMQsAQwAA&biw=1280&bih=646]missile silo[/url] is, you're going to have a bloody hard time getting into one of them as opposed to sabotaging them all. Their production facilities also don't come into it when the length of most wars is less than a month.
The reason you don't think it will end peacefuly is because the only outcome you can see is Israel destroyed. There's your problem.[/QUOTE]
Well im saying that obviously the missles are stored somewhere, they dont get loeaded into silos and just rust there until they get orders to fire, and thats what im saying when the missels are supposed to be destroyed, but also the production facillities have to be destroyed to be on the safe side.
Also yes i do want to see it conquered, im not keeping my political views to myself just to appease your dumb ass.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;24150050][B]Iran's shitty plant probably would turn into Chernobyl [/B]i]f it was bombed. It's a hard decision but I don't think this would be a surprise to them and if they were going to do something, they wouldn't have left it this late.[/QUOTE]
Just like an american power plant.
[QUOTE=Random94;24156747]Well im saying that obviously the missles are stored somewhere, they dont get loeaded into silos and just rust there until they get orders to fire, and thats what im saying when the missels are supposed to be destroyed, but also the production facillities have to be destroyed to be on the safe side.
Also yes i do want to see it conquered, im not keeping my political views to myself just to appease your dumb ass.[/QUOTE]
If Israel will be conquered be certain that there will be rivers of blood.
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24156808]If Israel will be conquered be certain that there will be rivers of blood.[/QUOTE]
If it's overrun there will be no more opposition. How the fuck can rivers of blood flow then?
Fuck it I say. Let them have their nuclear power. If those 2 countries want to act like babies they can. Iran doesn't have the tech to land a nuke on the USA, and we can't be wasting any more of our money defending Israel. We have TRIED. Fuck them.
What? Can't they just avoid the big nuclear power plant if they attack?
[quote]If it's overrun there will be no more opposition. How the fuck can rivers of blood flow then?
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Resistance will erupt.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24157019]Resistance will erupt.[/QUOTE]
Iran will probably go holocaust on the Jews living there.
[QUOTE=Sickle;24157105]Iran will probably go holocaust on the Jews living there.[/QUOTE]
We are talking about Arabs occupying Israel, not Iran. Although they are capable of doing a holocaust to the Jews as well.
[QUOTE=Random94;24153336]if you mean sovereign as in flooding the mandate of palestine with illegal jewish immigrants in 1947-1948 despite the attempts of the royal navy to stop them then you should really learn more about diplomacy, and im afraid they are using the same tactic to expand israeli borders in the west bank, they use jewish settlers to force the palestinains out and then tell the UN its their borders.[/quote]
They weren't sovereign until 1948 so I'm not even going to talk about that, don't know how you think it's related.
There isn't any "tactic" to expand the border, most Israelis don't care about the West Bank. Only religious extremists from the right (who are unfortunately a big minority, about 500,000 out of 6 million Jews in Israel) care about it because they believe in "greater Israel" as in, controlling all the lands that David and Solomon supposedly controlled. The rest of the population, that is, the secular population that is the majority, don't care about it at all.
So these extremists decide on their own to move into the West Bank and build settlements there, the government don't encourage them, but they do approve some and deny others and protect the ones which are approved.
So no, Israel as a whole isn't expanding into the West Bank, without any tactics or whatever you might think, it's the extremist minority.
[quote]That is impossible, if you see the truth israel does not want peace, even the blind can see that, thats why they arm themsevles to the teeth while they themselves know they are occupiying an arab state but dont want to give it up[/quote]
You mean arm themselves to the teeth since they are (or at least were) surrounded by hostile neighbors. And Israel won't just give the West Bank away unless it knows it will bring peace. Israel is fully prepared to give it away, just like it gave Gaza away 5 years ago, the problem is that giving Gaza away didn't bring peace like Israel though it would, so now Israel is being a lot more cautious before giving up the West Bank. We can only hope a formal deal will happen soon (perhaps with the soon-to-be direct peace talks with Mahmoud Abbas).
[quote]thats why they attacked a boat filled with peace activists carrying supplies for gaza (which a family freind was on) and then they send special forces to kill them, despite them only being armed with improvised weapons while the isralies had submachine guns and body armour[/quote]
You mean protected their LEGAL blockade against an unauthorized, uncooperative, infiltrating flotilla, sent commandos with PAINTBALL GUNS, who were then ambushed and attacked by about 20-30 people armed with knives, axes, metal poles and chairs. They were still not authorized to use their secondary weapons, handguns, even though about 4 commandos were downed and were still being beaten almost to death, getting their guns stolen from them and used against them, one soldier got stabbed in the hand and another got dropped from the top deck to the lower deck.
I don't even know where the hell did you bring that submachine gun crap.
[quote]also the fact is that they bully their naeighbours to have things their way and make sure they dont grow powerful enough to not listen to them anymore and if they do the isralies try to fool the foreign news viewers into thinking they are the good guys, so dont tell us to be peaceful to them, we arabs are known to be good people who are generous and helping why would we even attack them if it was for no real cause, but you tell them to admit they are the wrong doers, also that is our land, that is the land of the arabs, and they have no right to take it from us and establish their facist ideological empire of "judea", and we are not going to end up being their slaves, we outnumber them and if we unite we will be victorious.[/QUOTE]
This whole paragraph is one big "wuuuut" I don't even see one true sentence (actually this whole thing is one sentence, learn how to write a paragraph damnit).
[QUOTE=DogGunn;24152927]Deal with it.
The USA had the largest economy in the world for ages. Does that mean that they should share the wealth equaly to other countries?
Why should they do it with nuclear power? It's certainly something more dangerous than wealth.
Iraq was a threat back then, or you just forgetting that. Too bad the intel was faulty.
In the end, is it not better to be safer than sorry?
I can't believe anyone would want Iran, of all countries in the world, to have any form of nuclear ability.[/QUOTE]
This is one of the worst posts that I've ever seen.
I love these topics.
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24157019]Resistance will erupt.[/QUOTE]
And watch as it's crushed by the Iranians and surrounding nations.
Rivers of blood my ass.
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[QUOTE=DogGunn;24152927]Deal with it.
The USA had the largest economy in the world for ages. Does that mean that they should share the wealth equaly to other countries?
Why should they do it with nuclear power? It's certainly something more dangerous than wealth.
Iraq was a threat back then, or you just forgetting that. Too bad the intel was faulty.
In the end, is it not better to be safer than sorry?
I can't believe anyone would want Iran, of all countries in the world, to have any form of nuclear ability.[/QUOTE]
Iraq wasn't a threat, all it had was a few tons of Yellowcake
And you do know nuclear power will be available to all nations, and should be.
Fuck, building a nuclear bomb on the other hand and making it reliable, now that would be a challenge, since no one actually knows how to build the implosion trigger for them.
people act like nuclear power is going to fucking blow up like chernobyl every minute and is going to give people nuclear weapons when that's not how nuclear power works.
[QUOTE=bravehat;24157614]And watch as it's crushed by the Iranians and surrounding nations.
Rivers of blood my ass.
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Iraq wasn't a threat, all it had was a few tons of Yellowcake
And you do know nuclear power will be available to all nations, and should be.
Fuck, building a nuclear bomb on the other hand and making it reliable, now that would be a challenge, [B]since no one actually knows how to build the implosion trigger for them.[/B][/QUOTE]
Google it.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24156664]What I experienced is not Qassams, but Katyushas, which are rather advanced Russian missiles (compared to Qassams that it). Yet again, Israel doesn't just attack in Gaza Strip for no reason.
If you really support the Palestinians you shouldn't not support war against Israel.
What...? The total deaths of the entire Israeli-Arab conflict is about 50,000-60,000.[/QUOTE]
What is your source? also correct me if im wrong but i do remember it was something in the hundreds of thousands
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;24157788][B]people act like nuclear power is going to fucking blow up like chernobyl every minute[/B] and is going to give people nuclear weapons when that's not how nuclear power works.[/QUOTE]
This.
isgayel can fuck off
[QUOTE=Random94;24158331]What is your source? also correct me if im wrong but i do remember it was something in the hundreds of thousands[/QUOTE]
[url]http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.danielpipes.org/4990/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th[/url]
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How can it be hundreds of thousands? Not in any conflict/war more then 10 thousands died
They're probably going to bomb the plant days before it goes critical, like they did to Iraq. Israel stated before it could let no middle eastern nations become capable of nuclear weapons production. And if that happens...oh shit...
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