John Bolton: Israel only has 8 days to strike Iran
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24175482]How so? It's just a wall.[/QUOTE]
so if it's ineffective, why is it there?
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24175586]Oh and for the protocol, it isn't a wall - it's more of a fence. The infamous concrete pictures actually consists 3% of the entire fence.[/QUOTE]
it's a really big fucking wall, I've seen that shit.
[QUOTE=Warhol;24175747]so if it's ineffective, why is it there?
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it's a really big fucking wall, I've seen that shit.[/QUOTE]
Same reason handguns are banned in Chicago: the government there thinks it works.
It isn't ineffective; It very effective - it made it harder for Palestinians to pass into Israeli territory, thus reducing the numbers of illegal aliens and terrorists who penetrate Israel. But since it isn't a right to enter Israel, I can't see how they are being oppressed.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24175504]And the "Israeli oppression" is caused by terrorism and general hate of Israel that caused Israel to become paranoid, and instead of hiding in a corner like a normal paranoid thing would do, this paranoid fucker is killing all the things it is scared of.
Oh and by the way, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean somebody isn't out to get you. Ever since Israel was legally formed by the UN, everybody and their mother in the Middle East wants their walls painted with Israeli blood.[/QUOTE]
Again, Israel was founded off of terrorism and they turn and oppress the Palestinians. I can see why they'd be a bit pissed.
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24175774]It isn't ineffective; It very effective - it made it harder for Palestinians to pass into Israeli territory, thus reducing the numbers of illegal aliens and terrorists who penetrate Israel. But since it isn't a right to enter Israel, I can't see how they are being oppressed.[/QUOTE]
it also keeps aid out. Gaza isn't sitting on factories, it still needs to sustain itself.
Israel was founded because the Jewish people were tired of taking shit from everybody else.
And its actual founding system was that the UN granted them land.
The silo doors are opening!
CODE BLACK! We've got a nuclear missile launch!
What..? There is no wall around Gaza - there is a border fence. The wall/fence you're talking about is only at the WB - and is pretty much based on 1967 borders.
Israel allows everyone who wants to get aid to Gaza to do that - but only through legitimate passages places in Israel. I can't see what's the problem with that really.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24160485]But the people occupying Israel would most likely be arab anti-israelis.[/QUOTE]
Actually thats the opposite when it comes to thee occupation part, those are just millitas fighting to get their state back, hell i would have done the same thing if some asshole occupied my country.
Yeah right.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24175839]Israel allows everyone who wants to get aid to Gaza to do that - but only through legitimate passages places in Israel. I can't see what's the problem with that really.[/QUOTE]
Actually the aid part is very doubtful, i remember a family freind of mine being on the gaza follitia somehow got to view the gaza strip, it is impovrished as hell while he was walking across the streets.
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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24175809]Israel was founded because the Jewish people were tired of taking shit from everybody else.
And its actual founding system was that the UN granted them land.[/QUOTE]
Yea, but they had to choose palestine? Go make the state somewhere else where there were more jews, i wouldnt have had a problem with that, but dont force other people out to make way for that state which would have obviously caused trouble.
Israel allows aid through crossings, the Karni crossings - معبر كارني is one example. Israel supplies most of the aid Gaza gets, the water, the food and the electricity - paid from the money of the Israeli taxpayer.
[quote]Yea, but they had to choose palestine? Go make the state somewhere else where there were more jews, i wouldnt have had a problem with that, but dont force other people out to make way for that state.[/quote]
Originally the Jewish leadership wanted to live in a federation with the Palestinians (especially the right-wing Zionists, notably Jabutinsky)- but when the attacks of Palestinians on the Jewish villiags - including massacres, pogroms and theft began, the Jewish leadership realized that the Arab/Filastini leadership and the general Palestinian population doesn't like the idea of co-existing with the Jews. In 1922 more than half of Palestine was given to the Hashami-Baudouin (y3ani bdwi) dynasty, and that kingdom was called Jordan since then. Meanwhile an idea of partitioning Palestine became more prominent among the Jewish leadership.
The Palestinian leadership on the other hand rejected any suggestion for partition, and when the 1947 partition plan was accepted in the UN they arranged militias who fought against the Jewish militias.
When the war became more serious, the vast majority of the Palestinians fled - mainly due to fear from the Sahayooni devil. The Jewish militias united, making the IDF - who eventually conquered the majority of the British Mandate of Palestine through a defensive war against the invading forced of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq (Saudi Arabia too, but they are meh)
The moment a war struck, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled and some were expelled. There's nothing to do about this. What's needed is to move on.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177208]Israel allows aid through crossings, the Karni crossings - معبر كارني is one example. Israel supplies most of the aid Gaza gets, the water, the food and the electricity - paid from the money of the Israeli taxpayer.[/QUOTE]
What is the elictricity for if most of their houses are freaking bombed, also i dont remmeber him saying anything about plentful food, also i have heard most of the time the elictricity is cut off, so thats total BS
Just because the U.S. has nuclear weapons doesn't mean the rest of the world needs them.
Nuclear weapons exist because of the idea of deterrence - nations will act in a rational manner and thus won't nuke each other.
Suicide bombers and kamikaze pilots prove some nations won't follow this scenario. That doesn't mean "oh shit Japan is old world", Japan is modernizing, but some parts of the middle east Middle East are still living 40 years ago.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177208]Israel allows aid through crossings, the Karni crossings - معبر كارني is one example. Israel supplies most of the aid Gaza gets, the water, the food and the electricity - paid from the money of the Israeli taxpayer.[/QUOTE]
lol electricity, yeah right.
202,000 kWh (2009) for the whole Gaza strip. The only country that uses less is the Northern Mariana Islands.
[QUOTE=Insulator;24175270]Ignorant fools have no idea what the fuck they talk about when they say "fuck isreal?". Seriously, if you were bordered by countries run by terrorist organizations[/QUOTE]
Name those countries run by "terrorist organisations"
[QUOTE=Insulator;24175270]I know I'm going to be flamed about my opinion, but read the fucking facts before you go along with the whole "fuck jews, fuck christians, but we loooove muslims" bandwagon. It's getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
This has very little to do with islam, judiasm, and has absolutley nothing to do with christians, hell, even christian arabs hate israel.
[QUOTE=Random94;24177245]What is the elictricity for if most of their houses are freaking bombed, also i dont remmeber him saying anything about plentful food, also i have heard most of the time the elictricity is cut off, so thats total BS[/QUOTE]
You heard alot of stuff it seems.
[quote]lol electricity, yeah right.[/quote]
Oh yeah, Israel should totally provide electricity for the entire population for free!
Israel will end up attacking anyway.
Just look what they're doing to Hamas. They don't give a shity about civilians.
Poor Hamas.
[QUOTE=Neolk;24177288]Suicide bombers and kamikaze pilots prove some nations won't follow this scenario. That doesn't mean "oh shit Japan is old world", Japan is modernizing, but some parts of the middle east Middle East are still living 40 years ago.[/QUOTE]
You would be suprised by the middle eastern changes, actually Iran, Egypt and Saudi have higher GDP's than israel. Also suicide bombers only exist by the radical organisations, and such incidents only occur in Iraq, Afghanistan, lebenon and palestine.
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[QUOTE=CaptainSnake;24177351]Just look what they're doing to Hamas. They don't give a shity about civilians.[/QUOTE]
And also israel dosent give a "shity" with their reckless bombing runs.
If Israel was REALLY bombing GS recklessly.. you know what? Think for yourself.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177481]If Israel was REALLY bombing GS recklessly.. you know what? Think for yourself.[/QUOTE]
If you are so sure about that, take a walk around the gaza strip, i bet the israeli government wont mind..right?
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24177340]You heard alot of stuff it seems.[/QUOTE]
Yea ive heard it from someone whos actually been there, not just anybody.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177340]Oh yeah, Israel should totally provide electricity for the entire population for free![/QUOTE]
Well why dont they? Other than cutting it off.
You first.
[quote]Well why dont they? Other than cutting it off.[/quote]
Pft. You know what? Lets remove the Israeli blockade, remove any supplies to Gaza Strip, cut electricity, water - and then we'll see how these guys handle.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177539]You first.[/QUOTE]
I would if the israelis let me, but scince you are an israeli yourself i presume, i bet they wouldnt mind right?
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177539]Pft. You know what? Lets remove the Israeli blockade, remove any supplies to Gaza Strip, cut electricity, water - and then we'll see how these guys handle.[/QUOTE]
i bet they will handle well, i bet the arab governments will do it, even then i also think all those all those activists your special forces guys scared away would come by the boatloads to help them.
[quote]I would if the israelis let me, but scince you are an israeli yourself i presume, i bet they wouldnt mind right?[/quote]
You forget about the Masri border ya jabbar.
[quote]i bet they will handle well, i bet the arab governments will do it, even then i also think all those all those activists your special forces guys scared away would come by the boatloads to help them.[/quote]
As if the Arab countries give a shit about the Palestinians.
I bet with you on 7msa Lira that when the Palestinians will get a country, it will collapse immediately.
I'll bet people were making the same bet about Israel.
Israel didn't include militias fighting one another.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177653]Israel didn't include militias fighting one another.[/QUOTE]
Right, but it was located in a region where pretty much every bordering country wanted them gone.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;24177686]Right, but it was located in a region where pretty much every bordering country wanted them gone.[/QUOTE]
Which made them unify and become a strong army that kicked the asses of everyone else. Can't see the same scenario with Palestine. But you know what, we'll see...
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177625]You forget about the Masri border ya jabbar. [/QUOTE]
Isint that gaurded by israelies?
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177625]As if the Arab countries give a shit about the Palestinians.[/QUOTE]
You bet your ass we do, also you guys give less of a shit about them, just caging them in like animals.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24177625]I bet with you on 7msa Lira that when the Palestinians will get a country, it will collapse immediately.[/QUOTE]
7msa? you mean 5 in arabic right? Anyway i think that would be doubtful, because obviously there would be a more offical government.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24157135]We are talking about Arabs occupying Israel, not Iran. Although [B]they are capable of doing a holocaust to the Jews as well.[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh look, another jew reminding us of the lolocaust regardless of topic. Seriously, that shit happened 70 years ago; just knock it off.
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