John Bolton: Israel only has 8 days to strike Iran
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24177709]Which made them unify and become a strong army that kicked the asses of everyone else[/QUOTE].
Better known as "The Americans, British, French and Czechs gave us advanced weapons so we can fight the Arabs with". Hell, if it wasnt for that foreign military aid, you guys would have gone down like flies.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24177804]Oh look, another jew reminding us of the lolocaust regardless of topic. Seriously, that shit happened 70 years ago; just knock it off.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you're right. Genocide doesn't matter after a while.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;24177879]Yeah, you're right. Genocide doesn't matter after a while.[/QUOTE]
But if someone keeps mentioning that genocide over and over again to push an agenda, it gets kind of annoying after a while.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;24177879]Yeah, you're right. Genocide doesn't matter after a while.[/QUOTE]
No, it does BUT i'm sick and tired of jews bringing up the holocaust in every conversation. Holocaust was neither the greatest nor the latest genocide in history. About 120 million native americans were killed by settlers. Do native americans bring that up in every converstion? No. Also, there's been 38 fuckin genocides since 1951. Do you hear ANYTHING about them? Didn't think so.
On the other hand, (here's an actual conversation i had with a jewish friend of mine):[INDENT]"Hey, Clinton, have you got my money? It's been like 3 months.."
"oh c'mon, you're harassing me now. 6 million jews were killed in the holocaust"
"What the fuck?! What does that have to do with anything? "
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[QUOTE=aydin690;24177976]No, it does BUT i'm sick and tired of jews bringing up the holocaust in every conversation. Holocaust was neither the greatest nor the latest genocide in history. About 120 million native americans were killed by settlers. Do native americans bring that up in every converstion? No. Also, there's been 38 fuckin genocides since 1951. Do you hear ANYTHING about them? Didn't think so.
On the other hand, (here's an actual conversation i had with a jewish friend of mine):[INDENT]"Hey, Clinton, have you got my money? It's been like 3 months.."
"oh c'mon, you're harassing me now. 6 million jews were killed in the holocaust"
"What the fuck?! What does that have to do with anything? "
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Read the "Holocaust Industry" by Norman Finkelstien ( a Jew). He explains how the holocaust is manipulated and used as a tool to push their own agenda; specifically Zionists.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24178338]Read the "Holocaust Industry" by Norman Finkelstien ( a Jew). He explains how the holocaust is manipulated and used as a tool to push their own agenda; specificy Zionists.[/QUOTE]
This x100
I'd rather we just let Iran have nuclear things than try to wrangle it out of their hands at this late stage.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24177976]No, it does BUT i'm sick and tired of jews bringing up the holocaust in every conversation. Holocaust was neither the greatest nor the latest genocide in history. About 120 million native americans were killed by settlers. Do native americans bring that up in every converstion? No. Also, there's been 38 fuckin genocides since 1951. Do you hear ANYTHING about them? Didn't think so.
On the other hand, (here's an actual conversation i had with a jewish friend of mine):[INDENT]"Hey, Clinton, have you got my money? It's been like 3 months.."
"oh c'mon, you're harassing me now. 6 million jews were killed in the holocaust"
"What the fuck?! What does that have to do with anything? "
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You do realize that he didn't use it to make any point whatsoever, he only said that Iran will be capable of committing a holocaust as well.
He isn't implying anywhere here that because of the holocaust Israel should get a special treatment, he could have said the same thing only the other way around - that Israel is capable of committing a holocaust to the Arabs, which is what most pro-Palestinians say, and nobody would think that it's unrelated.
Now that I think of it, it's a double standard - Why do pro-Palestinians always accuse pro-Israelis of shouting "holocaust! holocaust!" but then the pro-Palestinians shout "holocaust! holocaust!"?
Both sides need to get over it - the holocaust is highly irrelevant to what is happening to day, if you want to discuss the past, the creation of Israel, etc., then the holocaust is related, and the pro-Palestinians should stop using this stupid analogy because what's happening to the Palestinians is not even close to the holocaust.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179365]
Now that I think of it, it's a double standard - Why do pro-Palestinians always accuse pro-Israelis of shouting "holocaust! holocaust!" but then the pro-Palestinians shout "holocaust! holocaust!"?[/QUOTE]
Because maybe the Palestinians don't have a history of using it to achieve personal goals - and maybe since it wasn't over 60 years ago.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179365]Now that I think of it, it's a double standard - Why do pro-Palestinians always accuse pro-Israelis of shouting "holocaust! holocaust!" but then the pro-Palestinians shout "holocaust! holocaust!"?
Both sides need to get over it - the holocaust is highly irrelevant to what is happening to day, if you want to discuss the past, the creation of Israel, etc., then the holocaust is related, and the pro-Palestinians should stop using this stupid analogy because what's happening to the Palestinians is not even close to the holocaust.[/QUOTE]
Yes it might not excactly be the holacaust, but what the israelies are doing is simmilar which is ethnic cleansing and aprathied, the nazis did the same thing to the jews and if the jews living in israel learned from it they wouldnt be doing this stuff to palestinians rather than simply accusing us of wanting to wipe them out.
[QUOTE=aydin690;24177804]Oh look, another jew reminding us of the lolocaust regardless of topic. Seriously, that shit happened 70 years ago; just knock it off.[/QUOTE]
Shut the fuck up you illiterate. Learn to read comment in context.
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Love the alt rating ohadje.
I didn't alt rate; that's your habit.
[QUOTE=starpluck;24179475]Because maybe the Palestinians don't have a history of using it to achieve personal goals - and maybe since it wasn't over 60 years ago.[/QUOTE]
They are, they are screaming apartheid and ethnic cleansing and that is not what is happening at all, in order to make it look like Israel is a big bully harassing them, when it is them who are sending suicide bombers and using terror tactics.
[QUOTE=Random94;24179480]Yes it might not excactly be the holacaust, but what the israelies are doing is simmilar which is ethnic cleansing and aprathied, the nazis did the same thing to the jews and if the jews living in israel learned from it they wouldnt be doing this stuff to palestinians rather than simply accusing us of wanting to wipe them out.[/QUOTE]
The Nazis didn't even come close, they outlawed being a Jew, they removed the citizenships of all Jews, they forced them to put a yellow star of David on their clothes at all times, separated public places for Jews and non-Jews like bus seats, parks, restaurants, etc., criminalized sex between Jews and non-Jews, and that was in the "good" years, 35 and so on. Israel is doing nothing like that, so get off of your high horse, study the facts first and don't make stupid, uneducated, baseless claims.
[QUOTE=ohadje;24179586]I didn't alt rate; that's your habit.[/QUOTE]
"No u"
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179635]They are, they are screaming apartheid and ethnic cleansing and that is not what is happening at all, in order to make it look like Israel is a big bully harassing them, when it is them who are sending suicide bombers and using terror tactics.[/QUOTE]
Even though i do disagree with some of the palestinians tactics, that is whats happening, go see what those jewish settlers are doing to the palestinians in the west bank.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179635]The Nazis didn't even come close, they outlawed being a Jew, they removed the citizenships of all Jews, they forced them to put a yellow star of David on their clothes at all times, separated public places for Jews and non-Jews like bus seats, parks, restaurants, etc., criminalized sex between Jews and non-Jews, and that was in the "good" years, 35 and so on. Israel is doing nothing like that, so get off of your high horse, study the facts first and don't make stupid, uneducated, baseless claims.[/QUOTE]
My claims are indeed true, i do my reaserch before i post, otherwise i would have beeen wasting my time commenting on this, the israelies happened to treat the palestinians as second class citizens, give them the worst living conditions in the entire country, i got that from wikipedia, they DO have the worst living conditions in israel, multiple palestinian neighbourhoods are fenced or walled and seperated from critical services, there is even a CNN report on that, they had to go around the wall in the palestinian side and took them an hour just to reach basic services because of road blocks that rarley open, the israeli law enforcement actually prohibits palestinians from crossing before jews do, isint that persecution? Or am i just making stuff up?
[QUOTE=Random94;24179756]Even though i do disagree with some of the palestinians tactics, that is whats happening, go see what those jewish settlers are doing to the palestinians in the west bank.[/quote]
At least they aren't sending suicide bombers at them.
[quote]my claims are indeed true, i do my reaserch before i post, otherwise i would have beeen wasting my time commenting on this, the israelies happened to treat the palestinians as second class citizens, give them the worst living conditions in the entire country, i got that from wikipedia, they DO have the worst living conditions in israel, multiple palestinian neighbourhoods are fenced or walled and seperated from critical services, there is even a CNN report on that, they had to go around the wall in the palestinian side and took them an hour just to reach basic services because of road blocks that rarley open, the israeli law enforcement actually prohibits palestinians from crossing before jews do, isint that persecution? Or am i just making stuff up?[/QUOTE]
There is a difference between restricting movement into and out of the West Bank and discriminating against Palestinians. If Israel had treated this way to all of the Arabs living in its borders, then it would of been apartheid, but it isn't. Arabs are living just fine in Israel proper, with almost no restrictions. Arabs in Israel have the best living standards in the middle east, it's one of the 5 (I think) only countries where they can vote for their government.
There is a difference between restrictions that are required due to security reasons (like restricting ease of entrance into Israel proper from the West Bank due to the risk of suicide bombers, kidnappers, etc.) and discriminations that don't help with nothing, like separating bus seats according to race and ethnicity.
Palestinians for example often complain that some roads are only allowed for Israelis to drive through, but you know why is that? Because until they weren't allowed in, the Palestinians terrorized these roads by throwing rocks at passing vehicles and even worse. There were a few cases where they were allowed to use them again, and the same thing happened!
If you want others to respect your rights, you must respect the rights of others as well - Don't abuse your rights in order to throw rocks at others, and others won't need to restrict your rights, it's basic logic.
And just to clarify Random, there is a difference between Palestinians who live in the WB and GS to Israeli Palestinians.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179635]They are, they are screaming apartheid and ethnic cleansing and that is not what is happening at all, in order to make it look like Israel is a big bully harassing them, when it is them who are sending suicide bombers and using terror tactics.
The Nazis didn't even come close, they outlawed being a Jew, they removed the citizenships of all Jews, they forced them to put a yellow star of David on their clothes at all times, separated public places for Jews and non-Jews like bus seats, parks, restaurants, etc., criminalized sex between Jews and non-Jews, and that was in the "good" years, 35 and so on. Israel is doing nothing like that, so get off of your high horse, study the facts first and don't make stupid, uneducated, baseless claims.[/QUOTE]
Ok
giant fucking wall cutting off supplies and people are suffering. THAT'S not apartheid?
No...
And again, how does it cut any supplies? It isn't as it is a blank fence with no entrance and exist. The PA trades with Israel.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179852]At least they aren't sending suicide bombers at them.
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burnemdown, you obviously care as much about the palestinians as you would a ant, but use your head
when you oppress people, what happens?
they get pissed. And when people get pissed they start throwing punches.
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24180055]No...
And again, how does it cut any supplies? It isn't as it is a blank fence with no entrance and exist. The PA trades with Israel.[/QUOTE]
Gaza doesn't have an endless stream of resources. very little supplies go into Gaza, pretty much all of it is sent back or taken by the Israelis.
Yeah so it's totally justifiable for them to use any form of violence when violence isn't being used against them.
I doubt a territory without a unified government and little to trade, trades with Israel.
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24180097]Yeah so it's totally justifiable for them to use any form of violence when violence isn't being used against them.[/QUOTE]
nice strawman bro
problem is with Israel, not Palestine
reactions have a beginning, stop the beginning, easy. Palestinians have chanted this from the beginning and Israel has done NOTHING.
[quote]Gaza doesn't have an endless stream of resources. very little supplies go into Gaza, pretty much all of it is sent back or taken by the Israelis.[/quote]
Dude, you should make your mind, are you talking about the WB or GS? The wall exists only in the WB:
[img]http://www.mideastweb.org/israel_security_fence_Feb_2005.jpg[/img]
Regarding Gaza:
-Israel supplies it with electricity, paid by the Israeli taxpayer.
-Israel supplies it with food, oil, gas, clothing and whatnot, paid by the Israeli taxpayer.
-Israel allows humanitarian organizations to give aid to Gaza through the Karni crossings.
Regarding the list of goods that are banned: You're correct, they should allow them.
And now, let me ask you: What if Israel removes the blockade, respects the Gazan airspace but ceases any support to GS and close its' border with it? Will you be ok with that?
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reactions have a beginning, stop the beginning, easy. Palestinians have chanted this from the beginning and Israel has done NOTHING.[/quote]
You are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians committed terrorist acts against Israelis in between 1948-1967. Islamists don't really care whether Israel lets the WB independence, because they consider entire Israel to be "stolen land". See Hamas and the Islamic Jihad as nice instances.
I'm just gonna leave [URL="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Palestine_loss.JPG"][U][B]this[/B][/U][/URL] here
That has nothing to do with anything.
Palestine has done nothing but to instigate Israel. Then the world blames Israel for all the bad shit that happens.
"Hey Israel I hope you liked the suicide bombers and rockets we sent to you."
"I hope you like the war we start with you, Palestine"
"Oh no! You are attacking Palestine with no reason at all!"
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179852]At least they aren't sending suicide bombers at them.[/QUOTE]
Yes they might not send suicide bombers at them, but they do restrict the freedom of all the palestinians there.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24179852]There is a difference between restricting movement into and out of the West Bank and discriminating against Palestinians If Israel had treated this way to all of the Arabs living in its borders, then it would of been apartheid, but it isn't. Arabs are living just fine in Israel proper, with almost no restrictions. Arabs in Israel have the best living standards in the middle east.[/QUOTE]
There is israeli discrimination against them regardless of what they have done, have you heard of the stories how pregnant pelestinian women who just want to go to the hospital to give birth have no choice but to give birth at the checkpoints because it would be too late for them to go back home and do that.
Also the majority of arabs that do live in israel are mostly palestinians living in the west bank or gaza, and they face massive discriminaion from the jewish settlers or other jews who vandalise schools and mosques, also israel having the best living conditions in the middle east is an ignorant comment.
Also there they do face severe discreimination, for example, arab children taught in israeli schools recieve an education inferior to jewish students, they reicieve lower grades and poor preformance and thats from human rights watch. also arabs are taught hebrew as a second language while jewish students dont need to learn arabic, they obvously wish to eliminate the arabic language, something i'm against, for example, the israeli government funding is $192 per year for each arab student compared to $1,100 for each jewish student, also arab students are underrepresented in the student bodies and facalties in jewish universities and in higher proffesional and bussiness ranks, also nearly half of those arabs in israel who pass their high school exams fail to get to university.
Also here are the words of an israeli politician on how he described arabs "The Arabs are worms. You find them everywhere like worms, underground as well as above" and he called them "murderers" and "terrorists" or how an israeli deputy defence minister said "What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness." or how someone once spray painted "Arabs to the crematoria" and "Arabs - sub-humans" or how israeli text books describe arabs as "primitiveness, inferiority in comparison to Jews" and "their violence, to characteristics like brutality, untrustworthiness, cruelty, fanaticism, treacherousness and aggressiveness". Or how about Israeli-Arab soccer players who face chants from the crowd when they play such as "no Arabs, no terrorism".
Or how about a group of 35 Jewish men, known as "Fire for Judaism", in Pisgat Ze'ev have started patrolling the town in an effort to stop Jewish women from dating Arab men, and that HALF the israeli jews bleived interacial marrige was "national treason".
Or how about a research institute poll reported that 41% of Israelis were in favour of Arab-Israeli segregation, 40% believed "the state needs to support the emigration of Arab citizens", and 63% believed Arabs to be a "security and demographic threat" to Israel and it continued to say that more than two thirds would not want to live in the same building as an Arab, 36% believed Arab culture to be inferior, and 18% felt hatred when they heard Arabic spoken or how another poll says 50% of Jewish Israelis do not believe Arab citizens of Israel should have equal rights or how 75% of Jewish youths said Arabs were less intelligent and less clean than Jews or how about that in 2008 several parents removed their children from a daycare centre in Israel after they found out that a 16 month old boy was an Arab
Or how about in In June 2009, Haaretz reported on the widespread phenomenon of Israeli Border Police forcing Palestinians to humiliate themselves on camera and then publishing the video on YouTube. The police forced the Palestinians to sing anti-Arab songs with lyrics such as "Let every Arab mother know that the fate of her children is in the hands of the Company". The YouTube videos are popular in Israel and have attracted many anti-Arab comments written in Hebrew such as "Stinking Arab".
So that shows how much arabs are discriminated against in Israel, so dont say they arent.
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[QUOTE=ohadje;24180150]
Regarding Gaza:
-Israel supplies it with electricity, paid by the Israeli taxpayer.
-Israel supplies it with food, oil, gas, clothing and whatnot, paid by the Israeli taxpayer.
-Israel allows humanitarian organizations to give aid to Gaza through the Karni crossings.[/QUOTE]
Actually only food, water and medical supplies are allowed into gaza, otherwise i doubt what your saying is correct, thats why the people of gaza mostly use carts, there is a scaricty of oil, also i bet the israelis ban anything other than those because who wouldnt want free resources.
[QUOTE=Splungey;24180473]I'm just gonna leave [URL="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Palestine_loss.JPG"][U][B]this[/B][/U][/URL] here[/QUOTE]
*sigh*, this again. What is it, the 8th 9th time someone posted this?
Let me just summarize by saying that these maps are taken way out of context and if you look at the reasons for each "expansion" there isn't any reason why you would think Israel is "stealing lands".
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24180844]*sigh*, this again. What is it, the 8th 9th time someone posted this?
Let me just summarize by saying that these maps are taken way out of context and if you look at the reasons for each "expansion" there isn't any reason why you would think Israel is "stealing lands".[/QUOTE]
Yes they are, and they make sure the palistinians get out of jewish neighbour-hoods of those settlers through any means possible, which therefore expands israel's borders, and thats why im saying israel is resorting to ethnic cleansing of the palestinians, otherwise how the hell did that happen.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;24180844]*sigh*, this again. What is it, the 8th 9th time someone posted this?
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I've never posted it before, you stupid little boy.
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