• Qur'an set on Fire at Ground Zero
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[QUOTE=The fox;24776881]So, you are saying that it is OK to dislike a group, as long as it's not religious? or what? I'm not sure i'm getting what you're trying to say here. :sax:[/QUOTE] Stop spamming that emote. And no, not that at all. I'm saying it's defensible/valid to argue against a group for concrete reasons, reasons based in, you know, the real world. Saying something is bad because "it's of the devil" is absurd and completely indefensible, along with being mindlessly hateful. I wouldn't hate muslims if I thought their religion had some problems to it, but I think I would dislike them if I thought they were all but devil worshipers.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;24776896]Actually you are supposed to throw it in a river.[/QUOTE] Oh, ok Regardless, he looks like an idiot :v:
[QUOTE=The fox;24776881] So, the fact that terrorists are already active and don't actually need a reason to attack is completely ignored by everyone?[/QUOTE] It really does come across like this in the media (In the UK atleast). It's like no one understands that they have a "reason" to attack people and its always going to be there.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24776910]Stop spamming that emote. And no, not that at all. I'm saying it's defensible/valid to argue against a group for concrete reasons, reasons based in, you know, the real world. Saying something is bad because "it's of the devil" is absurd and completely indefensible, along with being mindlessly hateful. I wouldn't hate muslims if I thought their religion had some problems to it, but I think I would dislike them if I thought they were all but devil worshipers.[/QUOTE] I have been using the sax emote for many years now, for my alt and this one. And when you take a look at the middle east, where Islam is dominant, you do see a lot of rights being infringed on. This is not something you can ignore, even more so when you see women being oppressed in modern day countries by religion, be it Christianity or Islam. :sax: And I can assure you that Islam and pretty much every other religion in existence has called the other religions a spawn of the devil and something that should be wiped off the face of the earth. Just because it's Islam it's being done to, doesn't mean it automatically has immunity to criticism, nor that it should be shielded from freedom of speech, thought and expression.
[QUOTE=The fox;24776961]I have been using the sax emote for many years now, for my alt and this one. And when you take a look at the middle east, where Islam is dominant, you do see a lot of rights being infringed on. This is not something you can ignore, even more so when you see women being oppressed in modern day countries by religion, be it Christianity or Islam. :sax:[/QUOTE] Well it's obnoxious. And yea, I know. And? That doesn't really have to do with my point, other than showing a valid point of criticism. [QUOTE]And I can assure you that Islam and pretty much every other religion in existence has called the other religions a spawn of the devil and something that should be wiped off the face of the earth. Just because it's Islam it's being done to, doesn't mean it automatically has immunity to criticism, nor that it should be shielded from freedom of speech, thought and expression. [/QUOTE]Absolutely not, I never implied that. Even though they ended up not doing it, The church had every right to do it. They were just doing it for indefensible and incredibly misguided reasons. They shouldn't have done it because it was a fucking stupid expression, not because they shouldn't be allowed to do it. EDIT: It should be criticized, along with anything else that has it's faults. It just should be criticized for REAL reasons.
It's a book getting burned, not a baby. A book, just so you guys know it's just a book.
[QUOTE=Fosty99;24776553] [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/#"]View YouTUBE video[/URL] [URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=oRcUdruhgyw[/URL] Good work.[/QUOTE] I hope you where being sarcastic. I may not like Islam(no I don't hate Muslims just there religion) but they have every right to believe in it.
Just watched the video, to be honest that guy probably doesn't really have any real hate toward Muslims or the Qur'an, he's just doing it for attention. I can tell by the smug look on his face. [editline]08:35AM[/editline] Also look how trolled the world is at this guy
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24777003]Well it's obnoxious. And yea, I know. And? That doesn't really have to do with my point, other than showing a valid point of criticism.[/quote] The fact that they have chosen to say that it is from the devil might just have something to do with the oppression, death and such that is prominent down there when Islam is involved, or would that be completely insane? [quote]Absolutely not, I never implied that. Even though they ended up not doing it, The church had every right to do it. They were just doing it for indefensible and incredibly misguided reasons. They shouldn't have done it because it was a fucking stupid expression, not because they shouldn't be allowed to do it.[/QUOTE] So they chose to use their own religion and explain that the one entity that causes injury and sadness in the world chose to manifest itself into a religion which, surprise surprise, is used to oppress other religious groups, females, different thinkers etc, and that supposedly makes their whole argument falter? You do realize that religion is used as a way to describe what happens in everyday life, so looking at it from their viewpoint, they see it as the devil bringing forth something that threatens the sanctuary of Christianity, by bringing forth a religion that, in their eyes, only spread hatred.
Umm, I dont know how many of you are actually muslim or familiar with islam, but Im not sure if a english quran is really the same thing as the actual quran written in arabic (at least in terms of holiness to muslims), if you look at the title of the book it says the holy quran in english.
It's not a valid Qur'an unless it's in Arabic.
[QUOTE=The fox;24777088]The fact that they have chosen to say that it is from the devil might just have something to do with the oppression, death and such that is prominent down there when Islam is involved, or would that be completely insane? So they chose to use their own religion and explain that the one entity that causes injury and sadness in the world chose to manifest itself into a religion which, surprise surprise, is used to oppress other religious groups, females, different thinkers etc, and that supposedly makes their whole argument falter? You do realize that religion is used as a way to describe what happens in everyday life, so looking at it from their viewpoint, they see it as the devil bringing forth something that threatens the sanctuary of Christianity, by bringing forth a religion that, in their eyes, only spread hatred.[/QUOTE] That's a different case, that's more defensible. The delivery obscures and somewhat hinders the message, though. I still say it's better to say it in non, er, nutty terms.
Dear idiots; please understand that the burning of a book people consider holy, is not a viable protest option, it is one of the many ways to start a category 15 shitstorm. Stupid fucks. Especially WBBC.
:rock: FUCK YEA :rock:
[QUOTE=backfoggen;24777237]:rock: FUCK YEA :rock:[/QUOTE]
Honestly, who really cares?
Interesting...
[QUOTE=Vasili;24776642]Muslims are trolled easily.[/QUOTE] and then they get pissed and realite with the real life version of a ban, this [img]http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/wtc1.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;24777390]and then they get pissed and realite with the real life version of a ban, this [IMG]http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/wtc1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Cause 9/11 was cause by muslim's religious sensitivities being offended. Yup.
Well, it's better than a whole group doing it. But he's just an attention-craving media whore, I hope the rest of the world realizes that.
I don't see what good could come out of burning a book. Seriously, it will just make Muslims angry. I fully support his right to do it but this doesn't benefit either party in any way.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;24777295]Honestly, who really cares?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21MfoYhjZJQD9I6D2NO0[/url] [url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129701795[/url] Lots of people.
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24777414]Well, it's better than a whole group doing it. But he's just an attention-craving media whore, I hope the rest of the world realizes that.[/QUOTE] So, because he has differing views he is a attention craving whore? Unless he said so himself, or did something to actually prove he is a attention craving whore, he is expressing his opinion. Just because my views differs from yours, does that mean I am a attention whore as well? :sax: [QUOTE=Micr0;24777431]I don't see what good could come out of burning a book. Seriously, it will just make Muslims angry. I fully support his right to do it but this doesn't benefit either party in any way.[/QUOTE] But I guess when Muslims burn the US/Any other countries flag, that country has absolutely no right to get pissed off at it, amirite?
is that gabe? [editline]09:06AM[/editline] [QUOTE=The fox;24777441]So, because he has differing views he is a attention craving whore? Unless he said so himself, or did something to actually prove he is a attention craving whore, he is expressing his opinion. Just because my views differs from yours, does that mean I am a attention whore as well? :sax: But I guess when Muslims burn the US/Any other countries flag, that country has absolutely no right to get pissed off at it, amirite?[/QUOTE] but the country does, and do [editline]09:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=The fox;24777088]The fact that they have chosen to say that it is from the devil might just have something to do with the oppression, death and such that is prominent down there when Islam is involved, or would that be completely insane? So they chose to use their own religion and explain that the one entity that causes injury and sadness in the world chose to manifest itself into a religion which, surprise surprise, is used to oppress other religious groups, females, different thinkers etc, and that supposedly makes their whole argument falter? You do realize that religion is used as a way to describe what happens in everyday life, so looking at it from their viewpoint, they see it as the devil bringing forth something that threatens the sanctuary of Christianity, by bringing forth a religion that, in their eyes, only spread hatred.[/QUOTE] haha wow [editline]09:08AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;24776642]Muslims are trolled easily.[/QUOTE] there are millions of muslims in the world, not even half of those really care about this
[QUOTE=JerryK;24777533] but the country does, and do [/quote] I've never seen a country get pissed off at flag burners, and should anyone voice any concern about it, it would seem that the majority of the time they are told that it's their own fault it's happening. [quote]haha wow[/QUOTE] And I guess it must feel really weird to see that someone doesn't have the same views as you, it's a crazy world isn't it?
[QUOTE=DarkCisco;24777390]and then they get pissed and realite with the real life version of a ban, this [/QUOTE] i don't think you know what you're saying so i'll give you a chance to re-think it
Of course it might considered free speech, and he can stage a protest (or grab a lot of attention) any way he likes, but the reason why burning a Quran means a lot is because it is supposed to be the word of God. Not like "our version of the events" like the Bible. Even the paper the Quran is printed/written on is considered holy since it carries the absolute word of God. It hasn't been altered or changed (even translations are somewhat holy). Now I am not saying the belief that the book itself is holy is right or sensible, but it is what people believe in. You cannot argue with belief and even if you do you are not going to get anywhere. I respect the man's courage and he should be allowed to do whatever he likes since it can be considered free speech, but the Muslims will have the right to get pissed too so don't go around "Oooh it's just a book" or "Wow Muslims get trolled easily". Plus the greatest danger this act creates is the fact that it gives a great propaganda tool to the hands of terrorist organizations. Now they can use the fact that an American has burnt a Quran while recruiting new militants or brainwashing them. It also gives these organizations a semi-plausable casus belli.
[QUOTE=The fox;24777615]I've never seen a country get pissed off at flag burners, and should anyone voice any concern about it, it would seem that the majority of the time they are told that it's their own fault it's happening. And I guess it must feel really weird to see that someone doesn't have the same views as you, it's a crazy world isn't it?[/QUOTE] um if not then you really should get out more ya i guess it's hard to see it through Muslims' view too right? seems like every thread where Muslims are related in anyway you're there way to voice some anti-Islam bullcrap. Muslims are hated for 1 reason, and that's because there are so many uneducated idiots in the world, who think Muslims are responsible for 9/11 and all Muslims are terrorists and bad people. this Quran burning is nothing other than some white trash loser trying to get his 15 minutes, and his dad and mom, who happen to be cousins as well, told him Muslims are bad. so don't start spewing your "oh look through someone else's view" crap until you've done it yourself
i heard godwin
[QUOTE=Fetret;24777645] Now I am not saying the belief that the book itself is holy is right or sensible, but it is what people believe in. You cannot argue with belief and even if you do you are not going to get anywhere. I respect the man's courage and he should be allowed to do whatever he likes since it can be considered free speech, but the Muslims will have the right to get pissed too so don't go around "Oooh it's just a book" or "Wow Muslims get trolled easily".[/Quote] "Oh hey, someone burnt our holy book, clearly we now must now kill every single person and wage jihad for a thousand years, there is no other solution" It's just a book, nothing else. It does not hold healing powers, it does not hold any absolute truth, it's just that some people chose to follow what it says and willingly oppress people by using words from it. If the government began oppressing your rights, would you sit idly and do nothing, or would you go out in the street and protest, burning the picture of said person, which might be holy to others? :sax: [quote]Plus the greatest danger this act creates is the fact that it gives a great propaganda tool to the hands of terrorist organizations. Now they can use the fact that an American has burnt a Quran while recruiting new militants or brainwashing them. It also gives these organizations a semi-plausable casus belli.[/QUOTE] There is no casus belli here, they have no right to oppress people and take their lives. Even more so when they do it because a book tells them to. They will simply have to live with the fact that people don't believe in the same thing as they do. Terrorists already recruit people where poverty exists and the situation is dire. This won't change much, if anything. [QUOTE=JerryK;24777679]um if not then you really should get out more ya i guess it's hard to see it through Muslims' view too right? seems like every thread where Muslims are related in anyway you're there way to voice some anti-Islam bullcrap. Muslims are hated for 1 reason, and that's because there are so many uneducated idiots in the world, who think Muslims are responsible for 9/11 and all Muslims are terrorists and bad people.[/quote] Perfect, excellent, this is just the kind of person I have been waiting for to post in this thread. So, see it through the Muslim's view, I guess that gives me valid reason to go on a killing spree, mass protest and such when a book of Darwin is burnt? Or when someone speaks out against him? No, it doesn't, neither should it for Muslims. They have no special privileges in this world, never have and never will, neither will anyone else for that matter. And for your knowledge, I have only posted in one or two other threads about the Quran burning, so, no, i'm not in every thread. I can assure you, had this been about Judaism, Christianity or any other religion, I would be here defending the rights of whoever burnt the respective holy book as well. [quote]this Quran burning is nothing other than some white trash loser trying to get his 15 minutes, and his dad and mom, who happen to be cousins as well, told him Muslims are bad.[/quote] Invalidating another's persons view just because you disagree with them, man I just love the way people who can't get it through their skulls that people don't always follow their own exact thoughts and ideas exist in the world. So, would you say the same if a Muslim in Iran burnt the Bible? [quote]so don't start spewing your "oh look through someone else's view" crap until you've done it yourself[/QUOTE] You're the one spewing it out that we should see it through the eyes of Muslims. I merely tried to explain the churches reasoning behind saying that Islam is of the devil.
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