[QUOTE=imadaman;24776688]It's kind of sad how humans have petty fits over their imaginary figures...
:Dawkins102:[/QUOTE]
So cool...
I'll just bend over this table for you...
[QUOTE=The fox;24777714]"Oh hey, someone burnt our holy book, clearly we now must now kill every single person and wage jihad for a thousand years, there is no other solution"
It's just a book, nothing else. It does not hold healing powers, it does not hold any absolute truth, it's just that some people chose to follow what it says and willingly oppress people by using words from it. If the government began oppressing your rights, would you sit idly and do nothing, or would you go out in the street and protest, burning the picture of said person, which might be holy to others? :sax:
There is no casus belli here, they have no right to oppress people and take their lives. Even more so when they do it because a book tells them to. They will simply have to live with the fact that people don't believe in the same thing as they do. Terrorists already recruit people where poverty exists and the situation is dire. This won't change much, if anything.[/QUOTE]
you should actually read the Quran before you start spewing uninformed bull
everytime anything happens, the few radicals always get the attention of the media, you can make anything look bad when you only look for the bad
[QUOTE=JerryK;24777770]yeah, yes[/QUOTE]
Tell me why there has been mass media coverage about this then, a lot of people care - specifically Muslims, many Muslim leaders have condemned this.
[QUOTE=The fox;24777714]
So, would you say the same if a Muslim in Iran burnt the Bible?
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yes i would
[QUOTE=JerryK;24777808]you should actually read the Quran before you start spewing uninformed bull[/Quote]
So, what exactly am I wrong in? How about you actually post some proof of your own claims? I have proof of mine in that there exist terrorists that use the wording of the Quran to preform their acts of terror. The same goes for Christianity, least i'm pretty sure there are a few terrorist organizations out there that are solely based on Christianity.
[quote]everytime anything happens, the few radicals always get the attention of the media, you can make anything look bad when you only look for the bad[/QUOTE]
So I guess seeing tens of thousands of people rallying up behind the extremists, calling for the destruction of the western world and everything that it holds, is just a mere few religious extremists? Oh dear..
[QUOTE=Vasili;24777822]Tell me why there has been mass media coverage about this then, a lot of people care - specifically Muslims, many Muslim leaders have condemned this.[/QUOTE]
ok? we've all established that the Muslim leaders are clueless as to anything they're doing, and read my other post it's always the few radicals that get selected by the media
[QUOTE=The fox;24777714]"Oh hey, someone burnt our holy book, clearly we now must now kill every single person and wage jihad for a thousand years, there is no other solution"
It's just a book, nothing else. It does not hold healing powers, it does not hold any absolute truth, it's just that some people chose to follow what it says and willingly oppress people by using words from it. If the government began oppressing your rights, would you sit idly and do nothing, or would you go out in the street and protest, burning the picture of said person, which might be holy to others? :sax:
There is no casus belli here, they have no right to oppress people and take their lives. Even more so when they do it because a book tells them to. They will simply have to live with the fact that people don't believe in the same thing as they do. Terrorists already recruit people where poverty exists and the situation is dire. This won't change much, if anything.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck? Where did I say that there will be a jihad and Muslims will kill everyone? I said Muslims will be pissed. And for some people it does hold the absolute truth. Are you so dense that you cannot even imagine anything else then your own personal truths or are you just a troll?
And again you are simply cramming words into my post because you have no other grounds for continuing this discussion. There is nothing sensible you can say. I said it would be a semi-plausible casus belli, and it will just allow the terrorists to use it as a tool of propaganda, bringing up "they burnt our holy book" as an excuse. And terrorists don't act on the Quran, in fact they go against many of its main tenets.
Do you really, really believe that at the heart of terrorism lies the fact that others believe in something else? Terrorism uses religion as a cover but in fact it has nothing to do with it. Sure the figureheads might seem to be religious and use religion as an excuse, but that is because religion has power over people.
[QUOTE=Fatman55;24776588]I hope his name doesn't get out.[/QUOTE]
I do.
Well done arrogant twats.
[QUOTE=JerryK;24777852]ok? we've all established that the Muslim leaders are clueless as to anything they're doing, and read my other post it's always the few radicals that get selected by the media[/QUOTE]
So, the leaders which are supposed to be enlighted far beyond anyone else about the message of the Quran, are, infact misguided? These people that might have spent their whole life trying to figure out everything about Islam, are, infact, wrong, but only when they condemn actions which you claim only a few extremists use. :sax:
[QUOTE=The fox;24777848]So, what exactly am I wrong in? How about you actually post some proof of your own claims? I have proof of mine in that there exist terrorists that use the wording of the Quran to preform their acts of terror. The same goes for Christianity, least i'm pretty sure there are a few terrorist organizations out there that are solely based on Christianity.
So I guess seeing tens of thousands of people rallying up behind the extremists, calling for the destruction of the western world and everything that it holds, is just a mere few religious extremists? Oh dear..[/QUOTE]
i just told you how you're wrong, you've never read a Quran before, you've probably never even held one, so until you actually read one, don't act like you know what you're talking about
considering there are how many millions of Muslims in the world, yes that is a few
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[QUOTE=The fox;24777877]So, the leaders which are supposed to be enlighted far beyond anyone else about the message of the Quran, are, infact misguided? These people that might have spent their whole life trying to figure out everything about Islam, are, infact, wrong, but only when they condemn actions which you claim only a few extremists use. :sax:[/QUOTE]
no one ever said they're enlightened, and yes they are. they don't spend their entire life trying to find out anything, most of them are leaders either through force or bloodline
[QUOTE=JerryK;24777887]i just told you how you're wrong, you've never read a Quran before, you've probably never even held one, so until you actually read one, don't act like you know what you're talking about[/quote]
So, because you have no grounds to argue on, you tell me not to bother to argue? Well done, I won't bother responding to your messages anymore, it's clearly pointless. This just goes on to prove the logic behind people like yourself, who can't take a argument when it differs from their own views. :sax:
[quote]considering there are how many millions of Muslims in the world, yes that is a few[/QUOTE]
And the fact that tens of thousands in all countries where Muslims are protest and rally up behind these only goes on to prove.. what? That there exists a minority of extremists in all countries where Muslims are?
[QUOTE=Fetret;24777864]What the fuck? Where did I say that there will be a jihad and Muslims will kill everyone? I said Muslims will be pissed. And for some people it does hold the absolute truth. Are you so dense that you cannot even imagine anything else then your own personal truths or are you just a troll?[/quote]
It is my own view that it does not hold any absolute truth, and that is what I believe, just as much as you believe it does. Or whatever it is you believe in. And the fact that the whole Muslim word condemned the Mohammad drawings, calling for a jihad against the western word and assassination of the man who made the drawing just goes on to prove what I said. :sax:
[quote]And again you are simply cramming words into my post because you have no other grounds for continuing this discussion. There is nothing sensible you can say. I said it would be a semi-plausible casus belli, and it will just allow the terrorists to use it as a tool of propaganda, bringing up "they burnt our holy book" as an excuse. And terrorists don't act on the Quran, in fact they go against many of its main tenets.[/quote]
So, another man who can't take a arguement with someone who has differing views, and as such has to go on about unrelated things and scream that their word is being altered.
[quote]Do you really, really believe that at the heart of terrorism lies the fact that others believe in something else? Terrorism uses religion as a cover but in fact it has nothing to do with it. Sure the figureheads might seem to be religious and use religion as an excuse, but that is because religion has power over people.[/QUOTE]
If religion is merely a covering of it, why does so many terrorists seem so devout to it? It's not like they carry around a Quran and say they are muslim. You do know this, right?
[QUOTE=Sickle;24777191]Dear idiots; please understand that the burning of a book people consider holy, is not a viable protest option, it is one of the many ways to start a category 15 shitstorm.
Stupid fucks. Especially WBC.[/QUOTE]
A thousand times this
[QUOTE=Vasili;24777822]Tell me why there has been mass media coverage about this then, a lot of people care - specifically Muslims, many Muslim leaders have condemned this.[/QUOTE]
Pope and several cardinals condemned Madonna's stage acts, like crucifying herself, several times, even threatened with excommunication. Does that mean the whole Catholic world is after her and no Catholic disagrees with the church?
[QUOTE=JerryK;24777852]ok? we've all established that the Muslim leaders are clueless as to anything they're doing, and read my other post it's always the few radicals that get selected by the media[/QUOTE]
So now you're calling all Muslims leaders radicals, many of the Muslim leaders (specifically Iran) were brought into power through populist opinion. Its not just 'radicals' who are about this burning, it is normal Muslims too - the leaders connected to the building of the Mosque near ground zero even went to meet Mr. Jones who was going to have a burning day of Qur'ans at his church.
Burn a koran. Enjoy delicious Muslim tears.
Indirectly kill thousands of people as Muslims go into a violent rage because their a bunch of fucking spastics who don't deserve the air they steal from me.
[QUOTE=The fox;24777917]So, because you have no grounds to argue on, you tell me not to bother to argue? Well done, I won't bother responding to your messages anymore, it's clearly pointless. This just goes on to prove the logic behind people like yourself, who can't take a argument when it differs from their own views. :sax:
And the fact that tens of thousands in all countries where Muslims are protest and rally up behind these only goes on to prove.. what? That there exists a minority of extremists in all countries where Muslims are?[/QUOTE]
i'm telling you to read the Quran, because no where in the Quran does it say anything that you have said, and now YOU are trying to get away from the argument because you know you haven't read the Quran and you know you can't defend yourself, you're a hypocrite.
why do you keep saying extremists? do you even know what that word means?
[QUOTE=DamagePoint;24777439][url]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21MfoYhjZJQD9I6D2NO0[/url]
[url]http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129701795[/url]
Lots of people.[/QUOTE]
Muslims burn the American flag and the bible all the time, and nobody cares.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;24777953]Muslims burn the American flag and the bible all the time, and nobody gives a fuck either.[/QUOTE]
Two wrongs doesn't make a right.
Oh my the ignorance in this thread is breath taking. This is why pubescent teens don't have the right to vote...
Yeah burning a Qur'an is going to provoke a violent attack against us. After all, we were just sitting there burning them day after day when we were attacked 9 years ago weren't we?
Oh wait, No, we weren't
If Muslims have the right to stomp on an American Flag at ground zero, then this man has the right to burn pages of the Qur'an without such a ridiculous reaction
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG1DYuzVgSk[/media]
Skip to :18 seconds or so to get to the video
[QUOTE=Fetret;24777977]Two wrongs doesn't make a right.[/QUOTE]
I know. I'm not endorsing them burning the Koran, but I'm just pointing out how stupid this whole situation is, and how people are overreacting.
[QUOTE=Number-41;24777983]Oh my the ignorance in this thread is breath taking. This is why pubescent teens don't have the right to vote...[/QUOTE]
More like, "Oh my, not everyone agrees with how I see the world, this is madness, I say" :sax:
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;24777022]It's a book getting burned, not a baby. A book, just so you guys know it's just a book.[/QUOTE]
It's not "just a book", it's a book that is the sense of several million peoples' lives. Pay some respect
[QUOTE=Fetret;24777977]Two wrongs doesn't make a right.[/QUOTE]
Freedom of speech and expression - deal with it.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;24778015]It's not "just a book", it's a book that is the sense of several million peoples' lives. Pay some respect[/QUOTE]
Some people just see it for what it is, a book. If you tell Atheists to see it from religious peoples viewpoints, you also need religious people to see it from the Atheists viewpoint. Tolerance goes both ways, you know.
[QUOTE=Vasili;24777928]So now you're calling all Muslims leaders radicals, many of the Muslim leaders (specifically Iran) were brought into power through populist opinion. Its not just 'radicals' who are about this burning, it is normal Muslims too - the leaders connected to the building of the Mosque near ground zero even went to meet Mr. Jones who was going to have a burning day of Qur'ans at his church.[/QUOTE]
it's easy to take control through fear
i never said only radical Muslims are angry over this, if that's what you got then i'll reword it.
Muslims are angry yes, however it's the radical Muslims that are being brought out by the media, if you think the entire Muslim population, or even a majority are going to go around blowing everything up and killing people over this then you are nothing more than a fool.
there are radicals in every aspect of society
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[QUOTE=The fox;24778031]Some people just see it for what it is, a book. If you tell Atheists to see it from religious peoples viewpoints, you also need religious people to see it from the Atheists viewpoint. Tolerance goes both ways, you know.[/QUOTE]
funny you keep preaching that yet you cannot look through anyone else's viewpoint
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