US debt crisis: Republicans abandon vote as deadline looms
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[QUOTE=Glaber;31416996]Blah blah, bad counter-arguments here. Nothing to go back and read folks.[/QUOTE]
A) I don't think you got the point I was making which was that Democrats have done every thing they can do in order to limit spending while the Republicans have not (at least publicly) shown one initiative to cut spending like the Democrats have.
B) Obama can not be held accountable for anything that happens. He's not responsible that Congress could not pass a bi-partisan bill that would avoid the US from defaulting. Nor is he responsible for the delay that would come in SS checks being mailed/handed out because of Congress not passing such a bill. All he can do is frown at Congress and say, "I'm not mad at you guys. I'm just really, really fucking disappointed in you guys."
C) You say that you want to see a bill by Obama. Well, you can't. Why? As my acquaintance SKEEA pointed out, President Obama is a part (actually, the head of) of the Executive Branch of the US Government, which has this power:
[quote=From Wikipedia][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_branch]The executive officer is not supposed to make laws (the role of the legislature), or interpret them (the role of the judiciary). The role of the executive is to enforce the law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the judicial system.[/url][/quote]
Therefore, by basic law, President Obama may not and CAN NOT propose bills. He can moderate between sides, but legally, he is not allowed to propose nor draft bills.
Coming from a guy who's so "involved" in politics as you are Glaber, I would find this rather embarrassing for you.
USA need to stop living like a socialist country, you can't do that with your tiny tiny taxes. Sure everything Obama is trying to do is a nice thing but you can't fucking pay for it.
In short you can't give free healthcare, generous welfare, to everyone that is poor. It won't work when taxes are lower then 10%.
It might work in Sweden, but we pay 33%+ in taxes and 25% tax on everything we buy.
Of course they need to stop spending money on the military and war to.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31419439]USA need to stop living like a socialist country, you can't do that with your tiny tiny taxes. Sure everything Obama is trying to do is a nice thing but you can't fucking pay for it.
In short you can't give free healthcare, generous welfare, to everyone that is poor. It won't work when taxes are lower then 10%.
It might work in Sweden, but we pay 33%+ in taxes and 25% tax on everything we buy.
Of course they need to stop spending money on the military and war to.[/QUOTE]
But we need to have bigger guns and tanks to kill the terrorists to save 'Merrica! :downs:
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31419439]USA[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31419439]socialist country[/QUOTE]
get the fuck out
[QUOTE=Glaber;31416996]
the final link was Mc Cain complaining about his party.
[/QUOTE]Well gee I wonder fucking why.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31419731]socialism isn't a bad thing[/QUOTE]
no I just hate the whole "socialist" bullshit
god forbid we want to care for people who have trouble looking after themselves, it's not socialist, IIRC socialism was about corporations being public (a very bad generalization on my part I'm sure)
I guess what's worse is the "socialism is communism is bad" Reps but I think Reps being fucking crazy stupid is not a hidden fact
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;31415158]Hey guys hey
I got a plan now hear this
Cut some of the military spending[/QUOTE]
That OR
Sell of Military Equipment we dont really need (CornerShots, Bomb Robots, Bomb Suits, etc)
Give the rest to the Coast Guard/National Guard.
Become a Defense Force.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31419439]In short you can't give free healthcare, generous welfare, to everyone that is poor.[/quote]
We don't, and it's sad that we don't.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;31419439]It won't work when taxes are lower then 10%.[/quote]
They're not.
I don't know much about politics and economy, but is this in a nutshell very, very bad?
[QUOTE=wootmonster;31420125]I don't know much about politics and economy, but is this in a nutshell very, very bad?[/QUOTE]
Yes, quite bad.
[QUOTE=Rocko's;31414664]I knew the Republicans didn't give a shit about that bill. Time to prepare for another depression.[/QUOTE]
I'll set up the dustbowl if you start World War III.
[QUOTE=wootmonster;31420125]I don't know much about politics and economy, but is this in a nutshell very, very bad?[/QUOTE]
Lemme sum it up for you mate.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMSHvgaUWc8[/media]
Pretty much.
[QUOTE=Ryukrawr?;31419072]Have you ever seen the inside of a aircraft carrier? My fucking god, money well spent[/QUOTE]
In person, no. But from what I've watched on them and from photos I've seen, you are indeed correct. Destroyers are what I worked on when I was in the navy. The USS [i]Oldendorf[/i]'s second gunnery officer from 1982 to 1986. Really made me mad the other day when I heard that they were scrapping a bunch of destroyers and other ships that hadn't even been used. That's just a retarded waste of money, time, and resources.
The reason why they got rid of battleships was because, unlike aircraft carriers, destroyer and cruiser technology had advanced so rapidly that a swarm of them would be way more effective than one single battleship. That, and with advancements in weapons technology, it wouldn't take much to knock them out if they had to fight in a conventional war. They look cool, true, but even when it comes to something as simple as aircraft (never mind the awesome things torpedoes and missiles are capable of today), they're really vulnerable (case in point: the Japanese superbattleship IJN [i]Yamato[/i]) because of their massive size and slow, lumbering movements.
A floating airbase is way more useful today than a floating fortress.
As much as it won't be good for the world, I'm hoping the American economy crashes. It will destroy the Republican party and thus remove a serious threat to the world
[QUOTE=ksenior;31420983]As much as it won't be good for the world, I'm hoping the American economy crashes. It will destroy the Republican party and thus remove a serious threat to the world[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4&feature=player_detailpage[/media]
If the US economy crashes, the Republican party won't fall apart completely. If anything, the Tea Party will fall and the Republicans pushing for a negotiation with Democrats will usher their ruin.
No matter what happens, though, public approval of the GOP definitely WILL drop because of this whole fiasco of a negotiation.
Man what is these repubicans problem
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31419951]We don't, and it's sad that we don't.
They're not.[/QUOTE]
Last time i checked there was a lot of tax treaty and tax deduction, companies and some private folks can probably go under 10% from what i've seen it's usually from 10% to 15% Not to mention some states don't even have a income tax and flat fee witch is static for all.
In short you americans are fucking shit scared of taxes, increase your taxes to 33% or more and you will get another civil war. Of course i bet a lot of people are willing to pay more taxes, but they will be in minority.
Don't buy or offer something you can't pay for, simple as that.
Can the world just skip to the part where everyone is united, and all of man kind works for a better future.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31419996]we kind of need bomb suits and robots, sell off the excess fighter jets[/QUOTE]
Perhaps trimming some of the F-35 program, as it is, and will be, incredibly expensive.
ITT: Glaber and Sluggo grasp at straws
[QUOTE=Glaber;31416996]Where's the source on the first link?
Link 2: i can't think of anything to say about it except for: do we even have the trans scrips for what went on back there?
The plan in link 3 was for 2.7 trillion over 10 years. We already spend at a rate faster than that! no wonder Republicans rejected it. Apparently, Democrats what to spend faster than they can either save or earn. (if you can call it earning for either side)
Link 4 to me just shoes that this isn't 1995 all over again. If it was, this deal would be done already. (See what a differance Fox news can make?)
Link 5 seemed to deal with Obamna's empty threats and the threat of impeachment. Those Social Security checks Will go out regardless. Otherwise, Obama is the one held responsible for Actually not paying Senior Citizens their SS checks.
Links 6 and 7 just show bad math from both sides. Also I don't support Boehner's plan. What I support is Cut, Cap, and Balance.
the final link was Mc Cain complaining about his party.
Not one of these links lead to a bill by Obama.
That's what I want to see.
For contrast, here's Boehner's bill: [url]http://nationaljournal.com/congress/document-latest-versions-of-boehner-reid-bills-20110729[/url]
[url]http://rules.house.gov/Legislation/legislationDetails.aspx?NewsID=442[/url][/QUOTE]
You ask for an argument and you get one. What do you do? You disregard it on bullshit reasons and ignorance.
[b]this is literally what the republicans you support do[/b]
Two-hundred thirty five years worth of American patriots are collectively turning in their graves right now.
[QUOTE=CSOD;31422398]Two-hundred thirty five years worth of American patriots are collectively turning in their graves right now.[/QUOTE]Wishing todays generations weren't fucking stupid*
Too be fully honest, what is the point of a world divided by invisible lines? What is the human race supposed to achieve by having these invisible lines? So many have died over invisible lines. Why can't the world just stop playing like 4 year olds in a sandbox and join together to work torwards a real future. Damn our ancestors for essentially creating the system our world runs on!
[QUOTE=ksenior;31420983]As much as it won't be good for the world, I'm hoping the American economy crashes. It will destroy the Republican party and thus remove a serious threat to the world[/QUOTE]
If the US defaults on their debt, I think any incumbent, regardless of party affiliation, will have a hard time getting reelected.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;31422744]Too be fully honest, what is the point of a world divided by invisible lines? What is the human race supposed to achieve by having these invisible lines? So many have died over invisible lines. Why can't the world just stop playing like 4 year olds in a sandbox and join together to work torwards a real future. Damn our ancestors for essentially creating the system our world runs on![/QUOTE]
Although I can see what you're getting at, I'm not sure having a one world government is a good idea.
This planet and it's people are far to diverse for a one world government. It would be impossible to please everyone. Hell it's impossible to do that as it is.
[QUOTE=Fort83;31423683]In a 50 years they will ask, "Where were you when the Republicans destroyed the world?"[/QUOTE]
And I will respond, with a twinkle in my eye: "I was complaining on an internet forum".
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31420167]Lemme sum it up for you mate.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMSHvgaUWc8[/media]
Pretty much.[/QUOTE]
I have a handy follow-up tip for the Republicans:
[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENVB6tjq_M&feature=player_embedded[/MEDIA]
i'm sorry america is fucking up
have a wolf gang concert to make you feel better:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB63smNtbfw[/media]
slam dance those anxieties out america...
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