US debt crisis: Republicans abandon vote as deadline looms
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I have no remaining sympathy for the Republican Party, may it die an abrupt death. Any reasonable Republicans left among you, I recommend you run as Independents next year.
One part of me wants the US to pull through these tough times and correct itself. Another part wants to watch the whole institution crash, burn, and die a horrible death.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
[QUOTE=Mad Chatter;31427179]One part of me wants the US to pull through these tough times and correct itself. Another part wants to watch the whole institution crash, burn, and die a horrible death.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.[/QUOTE]Well, the best in people come from the worst of times....... right?
[QUOTE=Roof;31427304]Well, the best in people come from the worst of times....... right?[/QUOTE]
But the environment of that would be unthinkable.
[QUOTE=Roof;31427304]Well, the best in people come from the worst of times....... right?[/QUOTE]
. . .Since when the hell has that been true?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;31427634]. . .Since when the hell has that been true?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, usually there's a pretty big correlation between the worst of times, and worst of people.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;31422744]Too be fully honest, what is the point of a world divided by invisible lines? What is the human race supposed to achieve by having these invisible lines? So many have died over invisible lines. Why can't the world just stop playing like 4 year olds in a sandbox and join together to work torwards a real future. Damn our ancestors for essentially creating the system our world runs on![/QUOTE]
It's not that simple.
Humans always recognized themselves a part of a group and considered everything else as foreign.
It started with family and blood ties, and then as our societies evolved,it moved on to tribes, clans, nations and even multinational unions.
We are getting there, it just needs time. :unsmith:
[QUOTE=phaedon;31428333]It's not that simple.
Humans always recognized themselves a part of a group and considered everything else as foreign.
It started with family and blood ties, and then as our societies evolved,it moved on to tribes, clans, nations and even multinational unions.
We are getting there, it just needs time. :unsmith:[/QUOTE]hopefully the united nations shit will do it some day
[QUOTE=Roof;31428437]hopefully the united nations shit will do it some day[/QUOTE]Not as long as there is cultural diversity. We wouldn't be able to set up a set of laws that accommodates everyones cultural ideals. Neither do we, in the west want to compromise at all when it comes to our culture. I don't know if you can see it, but it's US who are out there forcing western liberal-socialism down everyones throats. We don't even wait to check if there's an interest. The history of the European race shows us that we're all high and might and arrogant as all hell. Unless that shit's alleviated, we won't have a snowflakes chance in hell of seeing a unified global state. That is unless we exterminate all other races like we used to do.
Cultural diversity is not bad. Having multiple nations is not bad. Going to war hasn't been about the borders for the western nations in well over a hundred years now. It's all about sticking our noses in other cultures business because we know what's better.
Can we please just charge these guys with treason for trying to wreck the economy, and get this over with?
If the US's top economists can't agree on what a post-default situation would mean for America, how are we suppose to know for sure either?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't a slight chunk of the debt ceiling debate also about how confusing a crash could be? I mean, we've had failures to raise the debt ceiling before in the past; remember Newt Gingrich in the 1990's?
I for one think that the US will turn into the Road Warrior except without Australian accents.
[QUOTE=ColdWave;31422744]Too be fully honest, what is the point of a world divided by invisible lines? What is the human race supposed to achieve by having these invisible lines? So many have died over invisible lines. Why can't the world just stop playing like 4 year olds in a sandbox and join together to work torwards a real future. Damn our ancestors for essentially creating the system our world runs on![/QUOTE]
In the start of the formation of the US, several of our founding fathers actually warned against political parties - George Washington, for instance. As much trouble as "invisible lines" create, though, they do help keep political processes organized. Not to say by any means that free thought is bad in politics - free thinking is VERY important - but imagine how hectic Congress could be if everyone was their own party? It sounds like a very good and noble idea, but imagine how ignorance could play a strong role in shooting down any worthwhile bill. If an elected citizen thinks the bill isn't right because his prior experience says so, he might say no because he has no "invisible lines" - or party - trying to convince him to say yes.
You can't really blame people for creating a system based on identity though. Humans are wired that way, it's part of the hierarchy of needs. People desire to identify with some sort of group. The problem isn't so much the group, but when things get out of hand and people can't understand each other. That's the reason why politics are so awful today - Republicans can't understand Democrats, and Democrats can't understand Republicans.
[QUOTE=Reimu;31430749]In the start of the formation of the US, several of our founding fathers actually warned against political parties - George Washington, for instance. As much trouble as "invisible lines" create, though, they do help keep political processes organized. Not to say by any means that free thought is bad in politics - free thinking is VERY important - but imagine how hectic Congress could be if everyone was their own party? It sounds like a very good and noble idea, but imagine how ignorance could play a strong role in shooting down any worthwhile bill. If an elected citizen thinks the bill isn't right because his prior experience says so, he might say no because he has no "invisible lines" - or party - trying to convince him to say yes.
You can't really blame people for creating a system based on identity though. Humans are wired that way, it's part of the hierarchy of needs. People desire to identify with some sort of group. The problem isn't so much the group, but when things get out of hand and people can't understand each other. That's the reason why politics are so awful today - Republicans can't understand Democrats, and Democrats can't understand Republicans.[/QUOTE]
The problem comes when there's only two fucking groups to choose from.
[QUOTE=RBM11;31430956]The problem comes when there's only two fucking groups to choose from.[/QUOTE]
Well, there are a large number of groups on all sides of the spectrum to be a part of. But, the Democrats and Republicans easily have the strongest hold on the Liberal and Conservative sides, respectfully.
That said, in early years free thought and communication were much more common in US politics. It was common knowledge that, back in the later part of the mid-20th century, political divides only existed in Congress: Republicans and Democrats use to be personal friends outside of office. There just isn't that sense of understanding these days.
The joys of a Two-party "democracy". I love Denmark.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31427043]I have no remaining sympathy for the Republican Party, may it die an abrupt death. Any reasonable Republicans left among you, I recommend you run as Independents next year.[/QUOTE]
Reasonable republicans? That's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;31431071]The joys of a Two-party "democracy". I love Denmark.[/QUOTE]
I agree, in 2 party system you'll never fully agree with 1 party because they have to please everyone. Glad to be a Dutchman.
[QUOTE=Fhenexx;31424877]I doubt that. For years, the Republicans have been able to twist and morph facts to make themselves look better in the worse of times. Look at Fox News and how they end up turning any event that places the Republican party or any of the organizations for which it bases itself (Tea Party, the Christian church, etc) under any sort of negative light towards other sources (the "left," Muslims, etc) and makes them look like the true people to blame. Unfortunately, people who watch that will more than likely truly believe that Fox News is the only "good source of news" and will henceforth only listen to it or other conservative sources of media, such as the Rush Limbaugh show, and they will completely block out any other source of news in the name of "liberal bias."[/QUOTE]
If this country goes down the shitter, I hope angry mobs will rip those studios apart and burn them down.
Maybe a little extremist, but they're part of the reason we're in this mess.
I like living in Canada :)
[QUOTE=RichyZ;31439728]except china[/QUOTE]
and Switzerland.
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