A single Tesla car fire causes Tesla's stock price to slide from panicking investors
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Must be some pretty toxic fumes coming out of that thing due to the batteries. A lot more than a conventional vehicle I'd imagine.
Is it sad I learned more about stocks in gta than in my economics class?
[QUOTE=Str4fe;42398994]Im so confident on Tesla succeeding. Wish i had the cash to buy a single share.
Watch the value double. Just watch.[/QUOTE]
The most it will do is return to normal. Maybe in 20 years it will double but not in the near future.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;42399049]Must be some pretty toxic fumes coming out of that thing due to the batteries. A lot more than a conventional vehicle I'd imagine.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure exactly what kind of fumes a li-ion battery fire creates, but I know for a fact that gasoline fire creates a fuckshit of toxic fumes (hence why committing suicide by starting your car inside a garage is a thing).
According to the Panasonic lithium battery (Tesla batteries are just a bunch of small Panasonic batteries) safety chart the fumes are indeed toxic.
[url]http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/includes/pdf/Panasonic_LiIon_M_Info.pdf[/url]
But as LarparNar was saying, most fumes from burning cars are nasty stuff that you don't want to breathe in. I wouldn't say it's anything more or less dangerous than a standard burning car.
You can see how the batteries are made here at 11:44
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX0qt6O0n5g[/media]
There's a method to their madness. A snippet back when the 787 Dreamliner was having battery problems:
[quote]“The 787 batteries have very large cells, the battery cells are very big and they’re quite close together and there’s not enough insulation between the cells,” Musk says. “So, if one cell goes into thermal runaway and catches on fire, it’s going to cascade into the other cells.
“The approach we take at Tesla and SpaceX is we have smaller battery cells with gaps between them,” Musk continues, “and we make sure that if there’s a thermal runaway event which creates quite a bit of fire and smoke that it directs that fire away from other cells, so you don’t have this domino effect.
“The long term solution for having a battery pack that’s reliable and safe and lasts a long time is to reduce the size of the cells,” says Musk, “and have more cells that are smaller and have bigger gaps and better thermal insulation between the cells.”[/quote]
[url]http://blogs.mentor.com/jvandomelen/blog/2013/02/27/sometimes-smaller-is-better/[/url]
[URL="http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/10/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-stock-drop/"]Apparently not got much to do with the fire.[/URL]
Tesla - the Nvidia of cars
[QUOTE=OvB;42399188]According to the Panasonic lithium battery (Tesla batteries are just a bunch of small Panasonic batteries) safety chart the fumes are indeed toxic.
[URL]http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/includes/pdf/Panasonic_LiIon_M_Info.pdf[/URL]
But as LarparNar was saying, most fumes from burning cars are nasty stuff that you don't want to breathe in. I wouldn't say it's anything more or less dangerous than a standard burning car.
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Definitely. I've smelled the fumes from a smoldering new-ish Dodge Caravan a full day after it burned from the ground up. There was still an extremely nasty, deeply unpleasant, burning plastic smell.
[QUOTE=Str4t0s;42399316]Tesla - the Nvidia of cars[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S#Instrument_Panel_and_Touchscreen]The screens in the Model S are actually driven by Nvidia Tegras :v:[/url]
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;42399388][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S#Instrument_Panel_and_Touchscreen]The screens in the Model S are actually driven by Nvidia Tegras :v:[/url][/QUOTE]
That explains everything
Both the driver and Tesla claim the fire started after a collision with an object on the road but no officers on the scene could find what the car hit
Something is fishy
At least the data seems to show that the car knew something was wrong before the fire started and instructed the driver to stop
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42399151]I'm not sure exactly what kind of fumes a li-ion battery fire creates, but I know for a fact that gasoline fire creates a fuckshit of toxic fumes (hence why committing suicide by starting your car inside a garage is a thing).[/QUOTE]
That's just carbon monoxide poisoning, you can also get it from inhaling too much wood smoke
[QUOTE=Valdor;42399406]That's just carbon monoxide poisoning, you can also get it from inhaling too much wood smoke[/QUOTE]
I know what it is. It being carbon monoxide doesn't make it less toxic.
[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;42398006]If you're ready to pay ~$172, sure: [url]https://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3ATSLA&ei=yN5NUtigMa60iALSBQ[/url][/QUOTE]
It's not like it's going to go back to $90 again
[editline]3rd October 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=OvB;42398940]Man I was wanting to buy a few hundred dollars worth back in April when it was around 36 a share just to stick my foot in the stock market door, but couldn't dig up enough to jump in just yet. Then that explosion happens and now I don't even want to know what it could've been worth.[/QUOTE]
I feel your pain OvB. I just made my trading account couple days after the first blow up. Still made decent money on TSLA though.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;42399403]Both the driver and Tesla claim the fire started after a collision with an object on the road but no officers on the scene could find what the car hit
Something is fishy
At least the data seems to show that the car knew something was wrong before the fire started and instructed the driver to stop[/QUOTE]
it was probably a dip in the road that caused the tesla to bump its belly because of the low profile it has.
[QUOTE=OvB;42398940]Man I was wanting to buy a few hundred dollars worth back in April when it was around 36 a share just to stick my foot in the stock market door, but couldn't dig up enough to jump in just yet. Then that explosion happens and now I don't even want to know what it could've been worth.[/QUOTE]
My friend was in the exact same situation. Now he just posts pictures of the stock plot on Facebook with the caption "IT JUST PRINTS MONEY". He might need help.
Moron investors. One car going up in flames after a crash is not indicative of a design flaw.
[QUOTE=Str4fe;42398994]Im so confident on Tesla succeeding. Wish i had the cash to buy a single share.
Watch the value double. Just watch.[/QUOTE]
You can look into call options if you're really sure they will succeed but don't have a lot of cash.
I wish I know how to invest :v:
[QUOTE=pentium;42398299]You don't know the stock market unless you understand what "hairtrigger" means.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I wonder if the stock market is really based off the input of people buying and selling stocks or if the whole thing is actually run by a bunch of chimpanzees in some inconspicuous abandoned building in New York and they all have a red button and a green button that they can press to make funny sounds as well as make some stocks go up or down.
[QUOTE=LarparNar;42399151]I'm not sure exactly what kind of fumes a li-ion battery fire creates, but I know for a fact that gasoline fire creates a fuckshit of toxic fumes (hence why committing suicide by starting your car inside a garage is a thing).[/QUOTE]
You die from oxygen deprivation though. You could use any gas to fill a garage and commit suicide. The chemicals released from burning a lithium battery are directly poisonous.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;42402428]You die from oxygen deprivation though. You could use any gas to fill a garage and commit suicide. The chemicals released from burning a lithium battery are directly poisonous.[/QUOTE]
Right.
Like the already mentioned [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide]carbon monoxide[/url]?
Notice the cool blue "4":
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2668640/4.PNG[/img]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning[/url]
[QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;42402238]Sometimes I wonder if the stock market is really based off the input of people buying and selling stocks or if the whole thing is actually run by a bunch of chimpanzees in some inconspicuous abandoned building in New York and they all have a red button and a green button that they can press to make funny sounds as well as make some stocks go up or down.[/QUOTE]
Isn't most of the stock market mostly just computers that run off market patterns and what other people are buying / selling?
[QUOTE=Proffrink;42399295][URL="http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/10/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-stock-drop/"]Apparently not got much to do with the fire.[/URL][/QUOTE]
This.
Also I'm sure the gov't shutdown didn't help any of the investors feel real comfortable either.
The next step is, of course, [I]spontaneous [/I]internal combustion engines.
[url]http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-fire[/url]
[quote] Earlier this week, a Model S travelling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. [B]The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.[/B]
The Model S owner was nonetheless able to exit the highway as instructed by the onboard alert system, bring the car to a stop and depart the vehicle without injury. [B]A fire caused by the impact began in the front battery module – the battery pack has a total of 16 modules – but was contained to the front section of the car by internal firewalls within the pack. Vents built into the battery pack directed the flames down towards the road and away from the vehicle.[/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=OvB;42409642][url]http://www.teslamotors.com/blog/model-s-fire[/url][/QUOTE]
Man, that's fancy as shit.
I'm reminded of Edison electrocuting an elephant for some reason. Hmm...
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;42398224]so lambo's have had problems since 1963
peoples trust is not based on fact[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the market, where everything is driven by emotional risk takers who have no real knowledge about their investments.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;42399049]Must be some pretty toxic fumes coming out of that thing due to the batteries. A lot more than a conventional vehicle I'd imagine.[/QUOTE]Pretty much the exact same toxic fumes, really. Tesla cars are pretty much regular cars, except the powertrain is different. When a car burns, the first thing that burns is the plastic components. After that goes for awhile, the aluminum and other light metals in the car catch fire as well, and when they start burning it's [i]really[/i] going. That's why firefighters extinguish a car fire [i]immediately[/i] because once metal burns, it will not stop until deprived of oxygen. Every single time there's a massive car blaze, they call in a foam truck to deal with it because by that time, the metals are burning so hot that they actually rob oxygen from water molecules. (go make some thermite, light it, and then spray it with a garden hose from a safe distance to see this in action)
As for toxicity of the fumes, the various foams and non-recyclable plastics are the biggest dangers. Behind that are metals, and finally, you have various fumes from recyclable plastics. All in all, a car fire is extremely toxic to the environment and it should be dealt with immediately.
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